Too Many Away Fans in Home GA Areas (split thread)

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There is a PL requirement to make a small percentage of tickets available for every game, so not sold to STs, members, away fans or corporates..., so I imagine its those tickets.
These are only available to members
 
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There is a PL requirement to make a small percentage of tickets available for every game, so not sold to STs, members, away fans or corporates..., so I imagine its those tickets.

Thanks but I never understood it why the club don’t try to sell these tickets they are holding back earlier. There are some fans whom need to make various arrangements to attend a game. I have just noticed a trend this year that more tickets suddenly become available when we are told it is sold out.
 

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There is a PL requirement to make a small percentage of tickets available for every game, so not sold to STs, members, away fans or corporates..., so I imagine its those tickets.
No. There is a PL requirement to make a percentage of tickets available to non-STHers.
 

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Why, because that will affect many genuine supporters. We bought two Junior season tickets for my 1 year old grandsons in the knowledge that they would be going regularly in a couple of years time. This season we have upgraded those ST to adult and senior matchday tickets and forwarded to other family members who are long standing BFC supporters going back 70 years or more but can't get to every home game. The grandsons have been to 3 games this season with the likelihood that number will double.
Apologies, never thought about that. Your spot on.
 

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....my boy used to say 'leave it dad'....he didn't on Wednesday....he also had the hump....it was all around us....but this particular fella was above and beyond what was ok.....his pals were embarrassed.
I always like to say in context which I should have done earlier.
Apologies mate.
 

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What is that percentage and would that include lounge seats etc?
5%. It doesn't make it clear what 5% refers to, but it would seem reasonable for it to be 5% of the home tickets. So 17,500 - 1,750 = 15,250 * 5% = 762
 

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I would like to know if the club actually know about our real concerns around this and if they actually care?
 
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It could players and staff unbought allocation etc.

Yep that did enter my mind. But surely they should give a time limit for them to take up these tickets. I know one supporter whom has been faffing around earlier on this week trying to get a ticket. He has one now (through the TE) but not sure how he will react when he sees more tickets are available and the club selling these a day before the match. If the club says it is sold out it should mean it.
 

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Yep that did enter my mind. But surely they should give a time limit for them to take up these tickets. I know one supporter whom has been faffing around earlier on this week trying to get a ticket. He has one now (through the TE) but not sure how he will react when he sees more tickets are available and the club selling these a day before the match. If the club says it is sold out it should mean it.
Same as TE tbh, if the seats are reserved it counts as being sold out.
Is very annoying when you accept what you're given, to find out there's more seats available in the place you'd rather be though
 
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Same as TE tbh, if the seats are reserved it counts as being sold out.
Is very annoying when you accept what you're given, to find out there's more seats available in the place you'd rather be though

Agree with all that. I be interested to know if anyone can access it what part of the ground these tickets are and how many ..
 

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Agree with all that. I be interested to know if anyone can access it what part of the ground these tickets are and how many ..
As of now (half hour after release) 2 in W, 7 in S, 28 in a block in N and 98 across East
 

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Yep that did enter my mind. But surely they should give a time limit for them to take up these tickets. I know one supporter whom has been faffing around earlier on this week trying to get a ticket. He has one now (through the TE) but not sure how he will react when he sees more tickets are available and the club selling these a day before the match. If the club says it is sold out it should mean it.
A few will be people returning tickets because they can't make it. Had to do it twice this season myself with a family members tickets - circumstances in the day or so before the match meant they couldn't make it. It's super annoying for people who couldn't get tickets in original waves, or see a better spot free up, but I'd say still better the tickets get used in the end rather than an empty spot entirely.
 

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I would like to know if the club actually know about our real concerns around this and if they actually care?

If Brentford had a professional off-field, fan-orientated focus then the Director of Fan Engagement (or whatever her title is) would - very, very obviously - be up to speed with what the, well, fans, are saying on social media and on this site, amongst other sources of insight into what the club’s customers think.

On that basis - there’s no chance the club actually know about our real concerns, and they certainly don’t care.
 

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I can see and have seen how it can cause but if a well behaved opposition fan can only get a ticket in a home section I don't believe it's a big problem. When away tickets are limited what choice do you have. My mates son got West Ham tickets for the away game and had a great time just had to smirk rather than go mental when we got the winner
To be honest, when we played at Chelsea away in the Cup replay a few years ago, my wife, son and I couldn't get home tickets - but we got tickets in the Chelsea end !!!?) We had a few nasty looks early on from a lad who looked like a 10-year old pitbull, so we kept very quiet. But we didn't disrespect anyone. As a result, I can't criticise people for doing the same as away fans at the BCS.
 

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There is a PL requirement to make a small percentage of tickets available for every game, so not sold to STs, members, away fans or corporates..., so I imagine its those tickets.
Why. Surely the club should control its own allocation
 

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To be honest, when we played at Chelsea away in the Cup replay a few years ago, my wife, son and I couldn't get home tickets - but we got tickets in the Chelsea end !!!?) We had a few nasty looks early on from a lad who looked like a 10-year old pitbull, so we kept very quiet. But we didn't disrespect anyone. As a result, I can't criticise people for doing the same as away fans at the BCS.

You really want to compare us to a 45,000 capacity stadium & global brand club aimed to have tourists
 

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Meetings are happening next week.
.....do they keep a record of those ejected from various sections of the ground...be interesting to hear figures if so.
 

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No. There is a PL requirement to make a percentage of tickets available to non-STHers.

Interesting to hear...on an unofficial supporters forum.

Would it not be in the clubs best interests to make this kind of information available on the OS? Y'know, in the interests of transparency and as a point of reference to people complaining about such things?

As so many others have said, we have done so many things right on the playing front in last few years that I don't recognise the club from when I first started coming but off the field? If anything, we've got worse.

Anyway, I'm off to the BIAS website to sign up to fight the good fight 👊
 
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Fantastic. The more that join, the more they can’t ignore us. Imagine 4,000 members = impossible to ignore.
@rebus, great work. Should there also be a dedicated thread headlined, “have you joined BIAS yet -if not why not?”Also could BU put something in their excellent newsletter (latest version received today)? John Scott has done a magnificent job relinking with their historic base, so there is a few thousand there to bat at.
 
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Given the BIAS recruitment drive, amid lots of discussions on club fair ticket pricing for next season , and club season ticket issuing and pricing strategy for next season, I thought I would check out what BIASs Manifesto says on the subject. The nearest I got to this, was the otherwise excellent para 6 on moving to BCS. (see below)

While it mentions ticketing (and there is a Ticket System subgroup), there is little else on this huge topic for debate. Should we as BIAS members be considering strengthening the Manifesto with respect to how we work with the club on future Ticketing policy ?
  1. work closely with Brentford Football Club to ensure a successful transition from Griffin Park to the new stadium at Lionel Road to include:
  • the impact of the Coronavirus pandemic on the Club and our supporters including the safe return of fans to the new stadium in a fair and transparent way
  • providing feedback to the Club on issues impacting the match day experience at the new stadium e.g. transport, technology, catering, ticketing, locations and atmosphere and provide feedback to the membership
  • options for safe standing at the new stadium when full attendances are allowed at football matches
 
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AB said:
Also I really don’t want to see the club starting to offer NFTs or other dubious digital “fan engagement” nonsense. Not least because I don’t think I could bear the 100 page thread of people trying to explain WTF it all means to moribee and nanny58 (both of whom I’d be completely onside with on this).

While I’m on a roll, (and quoting @AB above) could I also propose a possible enhancement to the BIAS Manifesto, to seek to discuss creation of a “Club Partner Charter” (if one doesn’t already exist) that would govern :

(1) the Club would commit to consult with fans before launching any NFT (or similar issue) and
(2) what limits on access Club Partners should have to fans and club staff - example being the recent puff-piece interview with Lee Dykes (equating trading players for trading currency?) - seemingly aimed at encouraging fans to open Coinjar accounts.
 

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Wolves fans in hospitality today.
Read it on their forum.
£100 tickets and the club sold them to the boys with thick Black Country accents.
Mr Varney can stick his email where the sun doesn't shine.
What will it take for Brentford to realize it will kick off sooner or later, ive spoken to the head of premium seating over the phone, to be honest i don't think she has a clue, in the conversation she just wouldn't acknowledge that its a problem, .. just hope i don't have to say " i told you so " to many times :mad:
 

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....one of my pals has 800 quids worth of hospitality today....gawd help any yam yams who are near his party.
 

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What will it take for Brentford to realize it will kick off sooner or later, ive spoken to the head of premium seating over the phone, to be honest i don't think she has a clue, in the conversation she just wouldn't acknowledge that its a problem, .. just hope i don't have to say " i told you so " to many times :mad:
It becomes a problem when home fans dont renew and instead choose to save thier money and to sit amongst home fans.
 

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It becomes a problem when home fans dont renew and instead choose to save thier money and to sit amongst home fans.
Or give up all together.
 

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What will it take for Brentford to realize it will kick off sooner or later, ive spoken to the head of premium seating over the phone, to be honest i don't think she has a clue, in the conversation she just wouldn't acknowledge that its a problem, .. just hope i don't have to say " i told you so " to many times :mad:
I sometimes think that some at the club do not get the away supporters thing.
Why send us a sh*tty email and then flog £100 tickets to away fans outside of the away supporters allocation?
It will kick off one day, but a sale is a sale and when it does no doubt we will get another email saying "final warning".
Wolves today, Palace in 3 weeks, Newcastle in 5.
All they have to do is realise they can purchase over the phone and they are in.
They pay the money they misbehave they couldn't give a toss and will probably not bother coming back anyway.
And we get the crap.

I still say though that i would sit next to an away fan and not worry unless of course he acted like a dick.
Then it is the context that kicks in.
Or my foot.
 

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Wolves fans in hospitality today.
Read it on their forum.
£100 tickets and the club sold them to the boys with thick Black Country accents.
Mr Varney can stick his email where the sun doesn't shine.
I don't think you can get hospitality for £100, it must be a Premium Seat with lounge access. We'll need to keep our eyes and ears open.
 

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I won’t renew next season if I can’t move out of east stand.

On the membership subject, they need to change the sign up policy or some thing to combat some of this mess.

1. New Membership prices increase to £100 and you get guaranteed 1 x Cat A game & 1 x Cat B game but allocated at random. If you can’t not make them then the balance for each/both game gets credited to your account but can’t be refunded as cash. This will give a deterrent to the top teams fans signing up for memberships with the only intention being to buy a ticket to see their team.
2. Renewals of memberships or those with a defined number of TAPs are eligible for a membership without the above conditions.
3. When a membership is bought the billing address is referenced against the oppositions area. I.e. if some ones billing address is in Birmingham and it’s 3 weeks before the Wolves game, the membership should go for approval which requires a telephone call and a few questions to validate the authenticity of their application.
 

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Given the BIAS recruitment drive, amid lots of discussions on club fair ticket pricing for next season , and club season ticket issuing and pricing strategy for next season, I thought I would check out what BIASs Manifesto says on the subject. The nearest I got to this, was the otherwise excellent para 6 on moving to BCS. (see below)

While it mentions ticketing (and there is a Ticket System subgroup), there is little else on this huge topic for debate. Should we as BIAS members be considering strengthening the Manifesto with respect to how we work with the club on future Ticketing policy ?
  1. work closely with Brentford Football Club to ensure a successful transition from Griffin Park to the new stadium at Lionel Road to include:
  • the impact of the Coronavirus pandemic on the Club and our supporters including the safe return of fans to the new stadium in a fair and transparent way
  • providing feedback to the Club on issues impacting the match day experience at the new stadium e.g. transport, technology, catering, ticketing, locations and atmosphere and provide feedback to the membership
  • options for safe standing at the new stadium when full attendances are allowed at football matches

Sorry it looks like I haven't uploaded the 2022 Manefesto as approved at the last AGM.

I'll sort that over the weekend.
 
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What will it take for Brentford to realize it will kick off sooner or later, ive spoken to the head of premium seating over the phone, to be honest i don't think she has a clue, in the conversation she just wouldn't acknowledge that its a problem, .. just hope i don't have to say " i told you so " to many times :mad:

The one thing when I confronted these away fans on Wednesday was I was asked to calm down and relax by fans around me. I don’t think they got it that I kicked off because fans standing up smiling and recording their second goal. The onus shouldn’t have been on me but they just seemed to accept this in a supposed home end.
 
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