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We will have to disagree on this. A lot of folk are of the opinion that it was a good performance . Cant see it. I'm pleased you agree that they dominated in terms of use of the ball. Not sure what other kind of domination you have in mind and its what Thomas repeatedly says he wants to see from us. They fell short in terms of end product and hats off to our defensive resilience. IMHO we are very predictable at the mo. Hopefully we can get Wissa and Baptiste in as starters asap.

Fair enough.

As for the bit in bold, goals scored, chances created, shots on target, dangerous passes.

All good playing the ball from side to side and slinging balls into the box, there wasnt really a sustained period of time where they put in loads of dangerous balls where you thought "c**p thats a goal".

Rafa is talking nonsense if he thinks domination is measured on bombing 20 odd crosses into the box for our defenders to head clear bar 1-2 dangerous ones across the 6 yard box.

Like the Arsenal game, a lot of huff and puff but with very little for our keeper to do.
 

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Fair enough. I guess it depends on what you consider his purpose to be. For me, he's not there to make killer passes ( as he did when he was deployed in CB, passing through the lines), it's more the 'invisible' work he does. For example, against Everton, on a few occasions he cut out potential through balls. I see what you mean, that on the face of it his influence has decreased, but if you took him out of the squad, you'd really see a difference

Fair point BB. For all that i really do hope he is fit for Thursday - as you say, we will definitely miss him if he is not there.
 

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We will have to disagree on this. A lot of folk are of the opinion that it was a good performance . Cant see it. I'm pleased you agree that they dominated in terms of use of the ball. Not sure what other kind of domination you have in mind and its what Thomas repeatedly says he wants to see from us. They fell short in terms of end product and hats off to our defensive resilience. IMHO we are very predictable at the mo. Hopefully we can get Wissa and Baptiste in as starters asap.
"Dominated", "good performance"....comes down to semantics I guess thankfully the 3 points and result do not. We were far from our best in possession and sat too deep as TF alluded to in his post match interview so yes they would have had the lion share of the possession in the 2nd half.
So much of the line-up against Spurs is fitness dependent but supposing all the walking wounded are available from Sunday I would bring Baptiste for Frank as I think the former has that JDS ability to carry the ball and link the midfield with the attack - a facet Frank for all his wonderful qualities doesn't.
Wissa up top is interesting in a three....now I'm very excited by the lad, he makes things happen and has that wonderful habit of being in the right place yet in the Carabao Cup games I've seen his all round game is a bit hit and miss and I don't think away to Spurs is the place to experiment.
I'd stick with our current Wing-backs- Sergi had a poor one on Sunday but has been vital to much of our progressive play this season and he normally uses the ball well (yes he didn't Sunday I know) which is something we did poorly as a team in the second half -Ajer is certainly a huge loss in the department and as solid as Goode was in his defensive duties using the ball and bringing it out from defence isn't his thing). So in summary same formation for me with Baptiste coming in for Frank.
Having said that I think fitness and recovery issues could really force TF's hand and I wouldn't put any money on what our starting line-up would be.
 

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If Spurs turn up, it will be an extremely difficult match. No doubts about it.

In their current form I'm going for 1-1
 

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IMO we need to change the formation to.3-4-3. We are very predictable now and were dominated by Everton. Wissa can be the third striker.I would leave Sergi out and play Baptiste in the middle with Norgaard and have Rico and Vitaly in the wide positions. We nicked the three points yesterday . IMO we will struggle to nick many more unless something changes. Why not start Baptiste? He brought quality into a sterile mid and he can be subbed. Frank brought energy but no quality and IMO didnt justify a start on thursday.
However Thomas doesnt like changes so l suspect more of the same.Injuries might force his hand though.
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Eh? So you’re worried about being dominated and the solution is to take one of our most dominant midfielders out of midfield and stick him on the wing?
 

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Don’t see why people want to change formation and set up because of the performance when we won. We’d lost 4/5, and hadn’t won since West Ham before that Everton game. In the Premier League results matter more than performance, Chelsea game prime example.

If we keep the same midfield 3 it’s 3 vs 2 in their 3-4-3, with that in mind I’m confident we can get something out of it. 1-1, Toney to score.
 

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Eh? So you’re worried about being dominated and the solution is to take one of our most dominant midfielders out of midfield and stick him on the wing?
Depends how you configure the mid 4 and the wide players up top. Lots of permutations. I exclude standing like ducks in a row from the options.
 

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Tough game, really can't see anything other than a defeat, particularly if we play like we did on sun, but hopefully a close one.. 2-1 spurs.
 

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Tough game, really can't see anything other than a defeat, particularly if we play like we did on sun, but hopefully a close one.. 2-1 spurs.
I think it will be a very different game than Sunday. The weight of expectation was on our shoulders to not only arrest the poor run of home results against an 'injury' hit out of form Everton. You could almost see the nerves of the players and crowd in the second half when we just couldn't retain possession. We managed to tough it out though.

Tomorrow is a hit to nothing and all the pressure is on Spurs. If their 'Stars' turn up it will be very difficult for us but I'm going with my heart and saying we pull of a 2-1 victory for which we'll get little credit and all the Headlines will be about 'Spurs in crisis....huge job for Conti'....etc, etc....
 

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Not one of those games we‘re expected to win, so no pressure 😱. 1-0 Bees.
 

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"Remember, past performance is no guarantee of future returns..."

MATCH FACTS​

Head-to-head

  • This is a first top-flight meeting between Tottenham and Brentford.
  • Spurs are unbeaten in 11 games in all competitions against the Bees since losing to them in 1948.
Tottenham Hotspur

  • Tottenham have won six Premier League matches so far this season, all by a single-goal margin.
  • They have just 11 league goals in their 12 fixtures this campaign - only Norwich have scored fewer.
  • Spurs have lost five successive Premier League London derbies, including all four this season.
  • They have lost three of their last five Premier League matches on a Thursday (W1, D1).
  • Harry Kane has scored just one goal in 11 league appearances this season.
  • However, he has eight goals in his past eight Premier League games that have taken place on a Thursday.
Brentford

  • Brentford have lost just one of their six away matches in the Premier League this season (W2, D3).
  • The Bees could win back-to-back top-flight games for the first time since 1946.
  • They have scored seven of their 17 league goals this season from set-pieces - only Liverpool and Chelsea have managed more prior to the midweek fixtures.
 

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For all their attacking quality they have a delicate underbelly that will only be exposed if we really test them offensively. If we can ride out the inevitable pressure we will land a few decisive punches as they will not be able to keep Ivan quiet.

We tend to up our game against the assorted ESL tarts so I'm going for a 3-2 win....Toney (p) to win it after a VAR review in the 89th min.
 
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With a third of the season played, 12 of our 13 games have had at least one goal. In all 12, the team scoring first has not lost. Our record, when we do so, is W4 D2, giving us 78% of potential points. When the opposition score first, our record is D1 L5 (6% of potential).
1-0 Bees (Bryan).
 

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3-0 Toney Hat-trick

Kane gets serious injury, misses World cup as unable to fully gain fitness and is never the same player again.

Spurs go on to sign Toney for £80 million next Summer and Bees use the money to buy two superb up and coming non-Danish creative midfielders, who lead us to a 3rd place finish, as praise is heaped upon the manager for his constant urging of the team to achieve beyond anything they've ever managed before, in his unique hybrid brand of football and encouragement known as "FranknFurther"

So you can see it really will be a pivotal match , and the crossroads for both so many involved on and off the pitch, and definitely not one to be missed
 

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I have quite a optimistic feeling about this one! Which will probably mean we get beaten now lol
 

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Ok.... deep breath...!! He was absolutely dominant last season, but although he is still a very skilful player I do not think he has had quite the same impact at this higher level. Maybe he needs stronger players around him? He still has some lovely touches but in this tougher arena he, for me, does not make the killer passes that he was last season.

Tin hat on..... ;-)

Crikey.
 

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A lot depends on who starts. It’s as good a time as any to rest players carrying knocks when Leeds are going to have two days extra rest on Sunday. Hopefully we just have a real go and come out with 2-2.
No way are we resting players for Spurs away!
 

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I think the 3 points on Saturday should not be underestimated. It will help with confidence, take some pressure off and allow us to play with a bit of freedom that has been lacking recently. Early goal for us will make all the difference. 1-0 Bees Bryan with the goal on 18 mins.
 

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I think the 3 points on Saturday should not be underestimated. It will help with confidence, take some pressure off and allow us to play with a bit of freedom that has been lacking recently. Early goal for us will make all the difference. 1-0 Bees Bryan with the goal on 18 mins.
............the three points on Saturday for whom?????...............
 

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....the Kevin Watson derby... ?
 

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.....these lot will be thinking....team and supporters...that they just have to turn up..... entitled ones....ha.....good luck with that.....we are a team....on and off the park.....let's show 'em......2-1 us..... absolute carnage and tales of yore.
 

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We seem to be getting better at Thomas' strategy of concentrating totally on stopping the opposition from scoring rather than putting all the effort into scoring. Not great to watch. Probably going to be a boring no-score draw unless we get another pen.
 

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For me it all depends on how they play Son. If it’s on the right hand side, I’m fairly confident Henry can deal with his speed. If he is on their left hand side, we’ve got problems.
 

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1-2 - Ivan (P) & VJ
 

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This lot have only scored 11 league goals this season. We shouldn't be scared. Go for the win and we can overtake them and go 7th!

Bit worried about whether Ivan will be fit but as Thomas keeps saying, we need to be brave.


Memorable 3-1 win.
 

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Not sure If Spurs not playing on the weekend will help or hinder then psychology but the fact remains that their last game was being dicked about by Maru. I’m really hoping they are very Spursy tonight.

3-1 to the super bees and lots of chants of you’re a sh!t Ivan Toney to get on Kane’s back !
 

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0-0, not a pretty game but another decent point on the board
 

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We seem to be getting better at Thomas' strategy of concentrating totally on stopping the opposition from scoring rather than putting all the effort into scoring. Not great to watch. Probably going to be a boring no-score draw unless we get another pen.
Boring?!

Maybe for the neutral but I don’t recall being bored at a Bees match all season. I think we’ve only had one 0-0 and pretty much every other result and performance (Burnley aside) if it had been in a cup game against PL opposition any time before the last couple of seasons would have been remembered for years.

Yes, TF wants us to be solid rather than just go all out attack, but I don’t think we’d enjoy seeing the team losing 4-1 every week more.
 

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This has got a really smelly away win written all over it. Don't think we'll manage to keep Son and Kane at bay but 1-2 Bees - Bryan tap in and Wissa 90+3 worldie
 

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They couldn’t even beat teams like Everton & Man United so shouldn’t be worried about these.
Spurs 2-2 Brentford.
Toney, Tanganga O.G.
 

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Spurs 2 - 3 Bees. Bryan (in off the post); Ivan (pen); Wissa (in the last minute). Bees up to 7th and, as @Voice would say, scenes.
 

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Spurs 2 - 3 Bees. Bryan (in off the post); Ivan (pen); Wissa (in the last minute). Bees up to 7th and, as @Voice would say, scenes.
Bryan in off the post or the ball:)
 

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Boring?!

Maybe for the neutral but I don’t recall being bored at a Bees match all season. I think we’ve only had one 0-0 and pretty much every other result and performance (Burnley aside) if it had been in a cup game against PL opposition any time before the last couple of seasons would have been remembered for years.

Yes, TF wants us to be solid rather than just go all out attack, but I don’t think we’d enjoy seeing the team losing 4-1 every week more.
Agreed. One of the best Brentford matches I ever saw was at a nearly empty Griffin Park for a league cup match on a miserable wintry night in the 90s against Tranmere Rovers from a higher league which ended 0-0. So scoreless doesn't have to be boring.
However, I don't think many will be too devastated if we have a 0-0 tonight, even a boring one.
 

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....'e wanted away....e wanted away....'arry Kane....'e wanted away....thankyou:sneakoff:
 

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Let us not give away possession as easily as we did on occasions Sunday and we may well be ok.
Take a draw now.
Take a win all day long.
1-1 now.
2-1 later.
Ivan and Bryan.
 

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Apologies if something has already brought this up. With Spurs's game against Burnley on Sunday being called off, is there not the chance they're gonna have far more energy reserves than we are?
 

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I hope Harry Kane continues his moping. A very slightly higher club in the league, with a game in hand. Brentford for a win 2-1.
 

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Apologies if something has already brought this up. With Spurs's game against Burnley on Sunday being called off, is there not the chance they're gonna have far more energy reserves than we are?
..............they won't be match fit..............
 

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Far more opportunity for us in this match than some in the media would think, and also from the betting odds easily favouring Spurs.

Both Spurs and us have conceded 17 goals each, but Spurs have only scored 11, whilst we have scored 17.

So it is going to be a closer match, and whilst I am always optimistic that we can we win any game, I really do think a 2-2 draw is there for the taking.

Nevertheless, the win and draw betting odds for us are so ridiculously beneficial, that you can bet on both options, and if either one turns up you still come out ahead!

Every match is like a long, long run in the FA Cup.
This year for the first time in my decades of memory, it it doesn’t feel like that promotion (obviously that doesn’t apply for the first time in 74 years!), or relegation are the issues, (and that’s not being over confident or arrogant), it is simply 38 individual games, for which every one is there to be savoured and enjoyed in its own right!

Beating the England goalkeeper last weekend, and the possibility to do the same tonight to the England Captain and centre forward!
Toney fighting for his England call up!😊⚽️🥅

Come on you Bees 🐝🐝🐝😊👏!
 
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We are paying 5.25 on bet365 - spurs 1.60 - bookies giving us little chance - might be worth a lazy tenner 👍
 
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