General Transfer Rumours (Summer 2021)

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So Dion Charles should be considered for transfer and in 12 months time could have a significantly higher value

So we should pay good money for a player who has only had one reasonable season as a striker in the lower league, most of his record is in Conference north! I doubt that he is good enough to clean Forss's boots or come to that Pressley or Morgansen's. let alone replace Toney next season.
 

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So we should pay good money for a player who has only had one reasonable season as a striker in the lower league, most of his record is in Conference north! I doubt that he is good enough to clean Forss's boots or come to that Pressley or Morgansen's. let alone replace Toney next season.
I believe he is on an upward curve and is the kind of player we should be considering now that some of our avenues abroad are limited. Do you not think scoring 1 goal every 2 games for 38 matches this season in League 1 for a team in only 11th place should not be of interest.
I think the fact he has only played in National League North before joining Accrington makes his goalscoring even more impressive
 

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...who has only had one reasonable season as a striker in the lower league, most of his record is in Conference north! I doubt that he is good enough to clean Forss's boots or come to that Pressley or Morgansen's

What a bizarre comment.
What kind of record do you think Scott Hogan or Andre Gray had before joining?
 

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A Derby supporting mate who often watches Brentford suggests that Jason Knight is likely to be available in the summer. Doesn’t want him to leave Derby but thinks he is tailor made for Brentford style of play
 

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So we should pay good money for a player who has only had one reasonable season as a striker in the lower league, most of his record is in Conference north! I doubt that he is good enough to clean Forss's boots or come to that Pressley or Morgansen's. let alone replace Toney next season.

The DOFs know better than us so if he rocks up it's because he's good enough.
 

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Out of left field with this name. Boreham Wood’s Kabongo Tshimanga


What impressed me about this video is that he scored and assisted a lot of goals with very few teammates around him
 

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Out of left field with this name. Boreham Wood’s Kabongo Tshimanga


What impressed me about this video is that he scored and assisted a lot of goals with very few teammates around him
Looks like he is strong has a good touch and quite quick, although a big jump in standard, however I would think he is a better prospect than
Hercules.
 

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I believe he is on an upward curve and is the kind of player we should be considering now that some of our avenues abroad are limited. Do you not think scoring 1 goal every 2 games for 38 matches this season in League 1 for a team in only 11th place should not be of interest.
I think the fact he has only played in National League North before joining Accrington makes his goalscoring even more impressive
Happy for you
 

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Why not sign Adebayo Akinfenwa...just thought I would chuck another name in as nearly all the strikers in the EFL seem to have been mentioned so far.... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 

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That Arshavin fella looked really good in the 2008 Euros, is he still kicking a ball?
 

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The DOFs know better than us so if he rocks up it's because he's good enough.

Cannot disagree with that, but then you could give that answer to every post on this thread. It is all about opinions at this stage in anticipation of the real transfer window. I have given my opinion on Dion Charles.
 

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The standard of B team purchases have significantly increased over the last 18 months; plus the overall quality of the B team is a lot higher than it was two or three years ago. As a result if we don't go up that is where we'll be looking to bolster our first team squad in my opinion. I don't see us making the same type of investment this summer as we did with Ivan last pre season. It's why I believe this season's play off's are so important for the currrent cycle (team).
 

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The standard of B team purchases have significantly increased over the last 18 months; plus the overall quality of the B team is a lot higher than it was two or three years ago. As a result if we don't go up that is where we'll be looking to bolster our first team squad in my opinion. I don't see us making the same type of investment this summer as we did with Ivan last pre season. It's why I believe this season's play off's are so important for the currrent cycle (team).

agree and we have some very promising youngsters who have been crocked this year, plus Baptiste , JDS , Rico and Henrik if he's not off to all come back .Bidstrup's made the step up.I would of thought the B teamers coming through would be eased into the first team .If we dont go up this year and of course we wont ............... I think we need some more investment in the first team to make another challenge .Its frustrating because we are already a very good team and we are so close to being a fcking brilliant team
 

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agree and we have some very promising youngsters who have been crocked this year, plus Baptiste , JDS , Rico and Henrik if he's not off to all come back .Bidstrup's made the step up.I would of thought the B teamers coming through would be eased into the first team .If we dont go up this year and of course we wont ............... I think we need some more investment in the first team to make another challenge .Its frustrating because we are already a very good team and we are so close to being a fcking brilliant team

I agree but again whilst an opinion I don't see Rico, JDS, Ivan, Raya spending another season in the championship. There is still a very good squad there with a number of B team graduates to come through. I'm not an accountant but the released figures and lack of ST money into the club this summer makes it hard to see how we won't reduce our outgoings/investments to consolidate the business; maybe after one season at LR and the revenue that'll generate we'd invest again next summer. I do think we're heading towards a crossroads. Win the play off's would be the perfect scenario; fall short I think we'll be looking more towards higher mid table for a season with the impressive squad we'd have left; I'm just not sure that squad would be able to hit mid 70's or 80's so we can compete at the level we have been for the past two years.
 
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I agree but again whilst an opinion I don't see Rico, JDS, Ivan, Raya spending another season in the championship. There is still a very good squad there with a number of B team graduates to come through. I'm not an accountant but the released figures and lack of ST money into the club this summer makes it hard to see how we won't reduce our outgoings/investments to consolidate the business; maybe after one season at LR and the revenue that'll generate we'd invest again next summer. I do think we're heading towards a crossroads. Win the play off's would be the perfect scenario; fall short I think we'll be looking more towards higher mid table for a season with the impressive squad we've had left; I'm just not sure that squad would be able to hit high 70's or 80's again.
I may be wrong myself but I can’t see JDS moving on this summer. He has spent a lot of time out injured and with no set return timetable who is going to splash out on him? And if they don’t, why would we sell at a lower price?
And I’m Not sure that Raya will go anywhere - where would he go? Not sure his stock has risen over the past season? 🤷‍♂️
Rico will go if a prem team stumps up the cash - a Leicester or similar style I would imagine.
And Ivan isn’t hanging around for another season in the Championship - his stock will never be higher. I have my doubts he will stay with us even if he is promoted but would love to be wrong on that one.
If we don’t go up this season the transfer window won’t be as disastrous as people think. I hope.
 

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Read the TF thread or post re TF in there.

It’s all been discussed before.

Thanks.
 

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I may be wrong myself but I can’t see JDS moving on this summer. He has spent a lot of time out injured and with no set return timetable who is going to splash out on him? And if they don’t, why would we sell at a lower price?
And I’m Not sure that Raya will go anywhere - where would he go? Not sure his stock has risen over the past season? 🤷‍♂️
Rico will go if a prem team stumps up the cash - a Leicester or similar style I would imagine.
And Ivan isn’t hanging around for another season in the Championship - his stock will never be higher. I have my doubts he will stay with us even if he is promoted but would love to be wrong on that one.
If we don’t go up this season the transfer window won’t be as disastrous as people think. I hope.

Why would it be "disastrous" if we have to sell players? We have built our present success on selling players every summer perhaps it should be considered "disastrous" if we found that we were unable to sell players at the price we require.
 

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Why would it be "disastrous" if we have to sell players? We have built our present success on selling players every summer perhaps it should be considered "disastrous" if we found that we were unable to sell players at the price we require.
I would imagine most people would rather we keep JDS, Rico, Toney etc 🤷‍♂️
Of course if we get big fees for them it won’t be disastrous will it?
 

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I would imagine most people would rather we keep JDS, Rico, Toney etc 🤷‍♂️
Of course if we get big fees for them it won’t be disastrous will it?

If you have read the latest analysis of the accounts I am sure that you will have noticed that Brentford are among the lowest of clubs in respect of income from match day income. If our income does not come from that source where do you think we get the cash from that is required to pay players salaries which are among the highest in the Championship, and indeed all the other costs required to run the club at a semi Premiership level. The club are no longer forced to sell players to survive, but on the other hand the business model demands that we continue to both buy, and sell in order to generate profit. It is that profit and prudent management that has brought the club to the brink of the Premiership, so to repeat my original point it would be a disaster if we were prevented from following this previously successful path. Most people would at the time have preferred to keep Hogan, Mepham. Jota, Berhama, and Watkins et al, however, with hindsight most people are happy where we are now. I anticipate that process to continue this coming summer.
 

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If you have read the latest analysis of the accounts I am sure that you will have noticed that Brentford are among the lowest of clubs in respect of income from match day income. If our income does not come from that source where do you think we get the cash from that is required to pay players salaries which are among the highest in the Championship, and indeed all the other costs required to run the club at a semi Premiership level. The club are no longer forced to sell players to survive, but on the other hand the business model demands that we continue to both buy, and sell in order to generate profit. It is that profit and prudent management that has brought the club to the brink of the Premiership, so to repeat my original point it would be a disaster if we were prevented from following this previously successful path. Most people would at the time have preferred to keep Hogan, Mepham. Jota, Berhama, and Watkins et al, however, with hindsight most people are happy where we are now. I anticipate that process to continue this coming summer.
OK, good!
 

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This regular comment of if we don’t go up the Summer then we will at best be looking at mid table next season is really beginning to bug me.

the only way we can compete is to buy players, develop and sell at a profit which means that every Summer potentially brings a high turnover of players with the best ones leaving for significant monies. We have shown that we can invest those funds in purchasing technically good players each time with an improved base line.

The assumption that our DoF’s will be unable to find decent replacements or that the club will not invest is, to my mind, laughable. The ultimate goal is promotion and failing to invest means failing to succeed.

This argument may, of course, be overtaken by events when we win the playoffs however if due to dodgy refs or lack of luck we don’t make it rest assured that by the time the window closes we will have a squad ready for another assault 😀😀
 

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This regular comment of if we don’t go up the Summer then we will at best be looking at mid table next season is really beginning to bug me.

the only way we can compete is to buy players, develop and sell at a profit which means that every Summer potentially brings a high turnover of players with the best ones leaving for significant monies. We have shown that we can invest those funds in purchasing technically good players each time with an improved base line.

The assumption that our DoF’s will be unable to find decent replacements or that the club will not invest is, to my mind, laughable. The ultimate goal is promotion and failing to invest means failing to succeed.

This argument may, of course, be overtaken by events when we win the playoffs however if due to dodgy refs or lack of luck we don’t make it rest assured that by the time the window closes we will have a squad ready for another assault 😀😀

I agree but my theory and I might be incorrect is "Brexit", pandemic and lack of season ticket money may impact on our model. A club our size and with the finances we have should only ever be competing around mid table; it's a testiment to our whole model what we're achieving.

I've noticed the standard of B team players increasing but these take time to develop, and can we promote too many at the one time and aim towards mid 70 points!

With the quality of the current B team and the varibles I mention above I feel mid table next season would be a great achievement; anything higher would be an amazing achievement. It isn't beyond this set up but I do think next season will be tougher than it's been over the last few seasons. This club keep surprising me so I might be very far out lol.

Of course let's win those play off's this season though 😀
 

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If you have read the latest analysis of the accounts I am sure that you will have noticed that Brentford are among the lowest of clubs in respect of income from match day income. If our income does not come from that source where do you think we get the cash from that is required to pay players salaries which are among the highest in the Championship, and indeed all the other costs required to run the club at a semi Premiership level. The club are no longer forced to sell players to survive, but on the other hand the business model demands that we continue to both buy, and sell in order to generate profit. It is that profit and prudent management that has brought the club to the brink of the Premiership, so to repeat my original point it would be a disaster if we were prevented from following this previously successful path. Most people would at the time have preferred to keep Hogan, Mepham. Jota, Berhama, and Watkins et al, however, with hindsight most people are happy where we are now. I anticipate that process to continue this coming summer.
I’m not sure we learn much about match day income from the accounts of our last 3/4 season at GP. Next season’s accounts will look v different from that and will be distorted by 11k “free” frozen STs. The real picture of our long term baseline won’t emerge until 22-23. A lot can happen between now and then. Who knows whether that’ll be a second PL season or (hopefully not!) a season back in L1?!
 

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I’m not sure we learn much about match day income from the accounts of our last 3/4 season at GP. Next season’s accounts will look v different from that and will be distorted by 11k “free” frozen STs. The real picture of our long term baseline won’t emerge until 22-23. A lot can happen between now and then. Who knows whether that’ll be a second PL season or (hopefully not!) a season back in L1?!
All that's as maybe, it does not however, alter the general thrust of what I have said. Clearly things will be very difference should we be successful in the playoff's, it is nevertheless highly likely that even in that case we will remain a club who will use the transfer market to subsidise on field activities. As an aside it will be next season when we will take a large financial hit, whether in the Premier League or not, as we will not receive the greater amount of Season Ticket sales. It matters not how the finances of the club are looked at as we remain a small club in relation to others around us in the Championship a situation that will be enhanced in the Premiership. The Brentford business model is working, and working well as a third place finish in the Championship for two years running testifies. The original point being is that it is not a disaster to sell players, it is an integral part of the very successful Brentford model, and all credit must be given to all those at all levels in the Club for both performance on the field, management of the finances, and finding future playing prospects.
 
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Regardless of what league we are in next year, would love us to try and sign Harry Wilson. Not just because of his hat trick today more he would certainly improve us and fit into our style of play. Would be great player for us.
 

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Regardless of what league we are in next year, would love us to try and sign Harry Wilson. Not just because of his hat trick today more he would certainly improve us and fit into our style of play. Would be great player for us.
Which position do you think he'd play in in either of both of our formations?
 

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Regardless of what league we are in next year, would love us to try and sign Harry Wilson. Not just because of his hat trick today more he would certainly improve us and fit into our style of play. Would be great player for us.
Whoscored rate him ”Very Strong” in 1 category that I do believe we need to improve in next season wherever we are playing and that is Taking Set Pieces
 

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I think Ivan will be with us for another season if we go up or not...
 

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I think Ivan will be with us for another season if we go up or not...
There is zero chance of Ivan being with us next season if we don't go up. Quite apart from his own natural ambition it would also be the right time for the club to cash in as his market value will never be higher than it is now. Even if we do go up we still may not be able to hold on to him. £30m is a lot of money, even to a newly promoted Premier League side.
 

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Clarke Harris, coming up 27 and they would want Toney like money I expect but just chucking it out there.
 

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Clarke Harris, coming up 27 and they would want Toney like money I expect but just chucking it out there.
Not for me - been at this level before and did nothing. I know he has scored 32 goals but not a patch on Toney IMHO
 

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Regardless of what league we are in next year, would love us to try and sign Harry Wilson. Not just because of his hat trick today more he would certainly improve us and fit into our style of play. Would be great player for us.
He’s good and scoring 7 in 31 PL appearances for Bournemouth last season is a recommendation. But liverpool are bound to want silly money for him and I don’t want to loan players if possible. I suspect the DoFs could get better for the £10-15m he’d cost.
 

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Harry Wilson, if he doesn’t find a PL club, will want a PL contract. Liverpool will also want a very large fee. Don’t suspect we would be anywhere near interested.
 

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I think Ivan will be with us for another season if we go up or not...
Not sure about that, if the media have their facts right. I read that three premiership teams were interested in him including spurs. If that is the case it will be very hard for us to keep hold.
 

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Not sure about that, if the media have their facts right. I read that three premiership teams were interested in him including spurs. If that is the case it will be very hard for us to keep hold.
I think zero chance of him staying without promotion. It’d be absolutely the wrong decision for him to stay as it is unlikely a second Champ season would enhance his reputation unless he scored 40+ and the winner in the FA Cup final agsinst man City. A 23 goal season would not.
 

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What a bizarre comment.
What kind of record do you think Scott Hogan or Andre Gray had before joining?
Maybe someone could enlighten me as to why both of these players haven’t exactly set the world alight since leaving. Hogan pretty much failed at Aston Villa, and the Watford fans can’t stand the sight of Andre Gray.
 

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Maybe someone could enlighten me as to why both of these players haven’t exactly set the world alight since leaving. Hogan pretty much failed at Aston Villa, and the Watford fans can’t stand the sight of Andre Gray.
To be fair to Andre Gray he had quite a bit of success at Burnley, and quite good at Watford in his early days, fans have
short memories.
 

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Maybe someone could enlighten me as to why both of these players haven’t exactly set the world alight since leaving. Hogan pretty much failed at Aston Villa, and the Watford fans can’t stand the sight of Andre Gray.
I don’t think Hogan fitted into how Villa played under Bruce in his first half season when he joined after being on fire for us. Then he got injured and never really established himself. He probably left us too early without establishing the sort of player others were going to get or confirming that he hadn’t just had a purple patch uncharacteristic of his long term potential.
 

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I don’t think Hogan fitted into how Villa played under Bruce in his first half season when he joined after being on fire for us. Then he got injured and never really established himself. He probably left us too early without establishing the sort of player others were going to get or confirming that he hadn’t just had a purple patch uncharacteristic of his long term potential.
The ideal time for us to sell when we did.
 

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Adam Armstrong although I expect he would be too expensive, love to see him with IT.
 
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The ideal time for us to sell when we did.
Yes and no. I think he’d have carried on scoring for us that season if he’d had the patience to wait to move in the summer but it probably wouldn’t have been enough for us to make top 6 as we managed to set up differently and well with Jota’s return. Would scoring 20+ have made up for the January sale price premium? We’ll never know. I think he might at Brum have found his true long run scoring level, about one in three. Decent enough but not outstanding.
 
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