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If Raya gets a serious injury after the deadline who then will sit on the Bench?
That’s my point. The whole team would look a lot less confident and assured if Gunnarsson suddenly was no 1. Even City had Carson (although partially to get the Homegrown quota in)

just think that with such a big step up having a few wise heads around the camp is essential.
 

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That’s my point. The whole team would look a lot less confident and assured if Gunnarsson suddenly was no 1. Even City had Carson (although partially to get the Homegrown quota in)

just think that with such a big step up having a few wise heads around the camp is essential.

That’s true, but an experienced keeper, even one considered to be back-up, would cost a fortune in wages.

I wonder how much Spurs pay Joe Hart? They’ve just signed another keeper so I imagine they’ll be looking to offload him. I’m not suggesting him but maybe a loan deal for someone like that is what we might consider?
 

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That’s true, but an experienced keeper, even one considered to be back-up, would cost a fortune in wages.

I wonder how much Spurs pay Joe Hart? They’ve just signed another keeper so I imagine they’ll be looking to offload him. I’m not suggesting him but maybe a loan deal for someone like that is what we might consider?
I imagine he’s paid a lot. Wasn’t he the one who fell out of general favour because of being uncomfortable with the modern demands for sweeper keepers? If so, not sure he’d fit- while LD was a more traditional keeper he worked v hard on his distribution so deputised well. It might be that in terms of overall play we’d prefer a B team keeper schooled that way to an experienced keeper who didn’t fit the team and would unbalance our whole play.
 

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I reckon Ashley Bayes could still do job for us. At 49yrs he won't mind sitting on the bench.
 

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Why would we want him back? We’ve made £20m on him.
Collar 10 off them as the loan....... Maybe make another 30 or so when we finish in top half....... Anyway, it was a late night thought , not a suggestion, gets away from all the rest of the crap rumours being spouted on here....... Chill bud 👍
 

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That’s true, but an experienced keeper, even one considered to be back-up, would cost a fortune in wages.

I wonder how much Spurs pay Joe Hart? They’ve just signed another keeper so I imagine they’ll be looking to offload him. I’m not suggesting him but maybe a loan deal for someone like that is what we might consider?
Jeez, I know you're not suggesting Hart but I'd be crapping myself (as would he) anytime the ball was played back to him. Never looked comfortable under pressure even when he was good.
 

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That’s my point. The whole team would look a lot less confident and assured if Gunnarsson suddenly was no 1. Even City had Carson (although partially to get the Homegrown quota in)

just think that with such a big step up having a few wise heads around the camp is essential.
And you decided this on the basis of watching him train or an intimate knowledge of 2nd tier Danish football?
 

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And you decided this on the basis of watching him train or an intimate knowledge of 2nd tier Danish football?
Watching the second half v Wimbledon would point towards Patrick not immediately having the confidence with his distribution or being as aware of opponents closing him down but of course its very early days
 

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Gunnarsson always looked very good for the B team, and by all accounts he did excellently in Denmark. This is the point of the B team: see how they perform, perhaps get them some first team football elsewhere and then integrate them into the first team squad.
 

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It is noteworthy that both his loan clubs got promotion whilst he was with them.
 
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If the BFC management team believe Patrick is ready, then he is ready. They don't get much wrong, in fact, they get a lot right, unlike many of our fans.
Indeed. And we bought Raya mere months after he conceded 5 at GP!
 

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Is it me or does Gunnarsson not look as tall as his listed 6 ft 3?
 

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Ok, so assuming Ajer is going to sign, I think we’re ok in CB area with Mads, Pinnock, Ajer, Pontus and Norgaard can play there if needs be. What other positions do we still need to strengthen? Imo, cover/competition for RB & LB and two attacking midfield players. We’re going to need more goals from midfield.
 

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Gassan Ahadme a dual citizen Moroccan/Spanish a 20 year old has been playing in Norwich’s U23 team but is currently on trial with Portsmouth. He scored 3 in Pompey’s 5-2 win on Saturday which was a reserve friendly. This afternoon’s 2-0 kick off at Bristol City he scored 2 more the second was a penalty. This was a first team ‘game’ but was over 120 minutes.

Has anybody seen him play at all?
 

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Ok, so assuming Ajer is going to sign, I think we’re ok in CB area with Mads, Pinnock, Ajer, Pontus and Norgaard can play there if needs be. What other positions do we still need to strengthen? Imo, cover/competition for RB & LB and two attacking midfield players. We’re going to need more goals from midfield.
Would agree with this. LB, RB, One Winger and one attacking mid who can play through the centre.

Then if we’re being greedy I’d like more cover for if Raya or Toney gets injured, especially the former. Very quiet on both fronts though so I’m assuming the guys who really matter disagree!
 

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Gassan Ahadme a dual citizen Moroccan/Spanish a 20 year old has been playing in Norwich’s U23 team but is currently on trial with Portsmouth. He scored 3 in Pompey’s 5-2 win on Saturday which was a reserve friendly. This afternoon’s 2-0 kick off at Bristol City he scored 2 more the second was a penalty. This was a first team ‘game’ but was over 120 minutes.

Has anybody seen him play at all?
No, but Norwich are a sensible club so unlikely to be letting an imminently PL/Championship-capable 20 year old with a work permit go on trial for a L1 club other than with a view to a loan out. Or, he’s not up to it and being helped to find a permanent deal.
 

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Would agree with this. LB, RB, One Winger and one attacking mid who can play through the centre.

Then if we’re being greedy I’d like more cover for if Raya or Toney gets injured, especially the former. Very quiet on both fronts though so I’m assuming the guys who really matter disagree!
Last season Leeds had 2 strikers, Bamford and loanee Helder Costa. They made Costa permanent, and also signed strikers Rapinha for an estimated £17m & Rodrigo for £26m.
I think if we believe Ivan Toney & Marcus Forss are enough we are sadly mistaken. Hopefully Halil will show the talent he has this pre-season but I feel we will need someone who can turn the game coming off the bench on 70 minutes. Most promoted sides struggle because of a lack of chances and then not taking the few they get.
 

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And you decided this on the basis of watching him train or an intimate knowledge of 2nd tier Danish football?

No, based it on my opinion and what I’ve seen of him in a limited capacity, but what I’ve seen is defiantly not him tested against is Premiership quality so far, Kane, Cavani, Salah etc.

The transfer window closes and Raya is injured - is he out man in the sticks, what is your opinion ?
 

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Ok, so assuming Ajer is going to sign, I think we’re ok in CB area with Mads, Pinnock, Ajer, Pontus and Norgaard can play there if needs be. What other positions do we still need to strengthen? Imo, cover/competition for RB & LB and two attacking midfield players. We’re going to need more goals from midfield.
Did you see the Beesotted pub meeting with the DOFs, it ain’t gonna happen. Also see the interview in the Atlantic. The plan is that we may go down and back up but always with an idea of establishing ourselves in the Prem eventually
 

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Would agree with this. LB, RB, One Winger and one attacking mid who can play through the centre.

Then if we’re being greedy I’d like more cover for if Raya or Toney gets injured, especially the former. Very quiet on both fronts though so I’m assuming the guys who really matter disagree!
Thomas Frank could get a cold, better get an experienced Manager in to sit outside his office just in case.
 

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Did you see the Beesotted pub meeting with the DOFs, it ain’t gonna happen. Also see the interview in the Atlantic. The plan is that we may go down and back up but always with an idea of establishing ourselves in the Prem eventually
I didn’t unfortunately. I’m not saying go all out though, sh*t or bust, I’m just saying to strengthen, not sure why that isn’t going to happen? The first two signings seem to have ticked the boxes, also heard a frank interview saying they haven’t put a number on the amount of signings we make, so that suggests it might happen?
 

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Did you see the Beesotted pub meeting with the DOFs, it ain’t gonna happen. Also see the interview in the Atlantic. The plan is that we may go down and back up but always with an idea of establishing ourselves in the Prem eventually
You don’t think we will make 4 more signings? I’d be very surprised if we didn’t. And probably a similar number of outgoings to make room.
 

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You don’t think we will make 4 more signings? I’d be very surprised if we didn’t. And probably a similar number of outgoings to make room.
I'd be extremely surprised if we end up signing 6 new first team players.
 

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I'd be extremely surprised if we end up signing 6 new first team players.
I know this is an If and a big if but if Thompson was to go out on loan or permanently the same as Goode, maybe Dervisoglu, Jeanvier, Racic and Valencia, what would be the size of our first team squad? Would it leave room for 4 more signings?
 

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I know this is an If and a big if but if Thompson was to go out on loan or permanently the same as Goode, maybe Dervisoglu, Jeanvier and Valencia, what would be the size of our first team squad? Would it leave room for 4 more signings?
That's incredibly speculative. 1. Why would all those players be shipped out? 2. If you say that the average signing who would have a significant contribution is £10M, do you think we'll be spending another £40M on top of the £20M already committed?
 

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Someone from the B-team, it’s what it’s for!
Thats what it's for? The B Team is there to develop players, and we have a few very good young keepers in that team but none of them are yet equipped to play in the Premiership. To suggest that we do not require a third Goal Keeper in the first team squad shows a complete misunderstanding of the present position. We cannot start the season off with any avoidable weakness as all points gained will be very hard won, therefore no risk will be taken that may lead got us at having a 'rookie keeper' in goal for any period of time.
 

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Thats what it's for? The B Team is there to develop players, and we have a few very good young keepers in that team but none of them are yet equipped to play in the Premiership. To suggest that we do not require a third Goal Keeper in the first team squad shows a complete misunderstanding of the present position. We cannot start the season off with any avoidable weakness as all points gained will be very hard won, therefore no risk will be taken that may lead got us at having a 'rookie keeper' in goal for any period of time.
Completely agree. Very few Prem clubs don’t have an experienced backup. In fact I can’t think of one!
 

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That's incredibly speculative. 1. Why would all those players be shipped out? 2. If you say that the average signing who would have a significant contribution is £10M, do you think we'll be spending another £40M on top of the £20M already committed?
That’s exactly why I said if but at the same time I anticipate them all to be shipped out based on other than Goode, they all were last season when we were in the Championship. I don’t think we will spend another £40m, no, but I don’t think that we would necessarily need that, especially because we have Toney, as I mentioned in my post above Right and Left back competition wouldn’t cost £20m
 

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Thats what it's for? The B Team is there to develop players, and we have a few very good young keepers in that team but none of them are yet equipped to play in the Premiership. To suggest that we do not require a third Goal Keeper in the first team squad shows a complete misunderstanding of the present position. We cannot start the season off with any avoidable weakness as all points gained will be very hard won, therefore no risk will be taken that may lead got us at having a 'rookie keeper' in goal for any period of time.
Ah yes, the “you have a different opinion to me so you must misunderstand the situation argument”

All the other clubs in the league have more money than we do. We’ll spend ours where it gives us the best chance of staying up. Plus the club clearly rate Gunnarsson a lot, they may think he’s better than any of the “experienced” back ups available.

Finally, just because he hasn’t played for us doesn’t mean he’s not experienced.
 

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No, based it on my opinion and what I’ve seen of him in a limited capacity, but what I’ve seen is defiantly not him tested against is Premiership quality so far, Kane, Cavani, Salah etc.

The transfer window closes and Raya is injured - is he out man in the sticks, what is your opinion ?
I haven’t seen enough of him to judge, so can only trust those that have.
 

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IMO opinion we 100% need

Another RB.
Another winger
Another Striker.

After that i think we are alos in the need for

A LB

For me the GK position doesnt worry me.
Surely a player that can play anywhere across the front three would be preferable. Might save us a few quid too.
 

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Ah yes, the “you have a different opinion to me so you must misunderstand the situation argument”

All the other clubs in the league have more money than we do. We’ll spend ours where it gives us the best chance of staying up. Plus the club clearly rate Gunnarsson a lot, they may think he’s better than any of the “experienced” back ups available.

Finally, just because he hasn’t played for us doesn’t mean he’s not experienced.
I am afraid that either you have missed my point entirely, or my usage of English needs to be improved. I do not have any concern about Gunnarson being a back up Goal Keeper to Raya. There is no doubt that he will at some point he play games for the team, and he will need to do this for his own personal development, and I am quite content with that, indeed I think highly of him. The issue I have, is that two keepers (Gunnarson & Raya) are not enough for the Premiership, and a third is necessary should either Raya or Gunnarson get injured or suspended. Those keepers in the B team are very good prospects, but all are as yet nowhere near the standard required to keep goal in the top league. If either of Gunnarson or Raya get injured which B team keeper do you suggest should sit on the bench? Maybe it is your view that the club should gamble with just two. If someone sits on the bench he is always likely to play at some point in the game. It is a serious question, and I should be interested to read your answer.
 

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Sounds like we wont be playing with a RB.

Roserslev RWB with Canos and Fosu available to fill in that position should roerslev get injured. Bringing in a premier league quality RB/RWB would block Roerslev and probably be expensive.

We've played with a RB in both pre-season games so far...
 

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I haven’t seen enough of him to judge, so can only trust those that have.
It’s clear, no matter what everyone here wants, the common goal is to stay up (and more!) My opinion was what I think would help that cause; and yes I have complete trust in the way the club is run.

But to just say I’ll trust the club and not express and opinion is a bit of a cop out and doesn’t exactly fuel a healthy forum surely ?
 

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Sounds like we wont be playing with a RB.

Roserslev RWB with Canos and Fosu available to fill in that position should roerslev get injured. Bringing in a premier league quality RB/RWB would block Roerslev and probably be expensive.
This is clearly a very difficult problem. It could be solved by the club signing a thirty year old who could see Roserlev established into RB without blocking his progress, or go with what we have, two very good 18 year olds, or as you say use one of two players out of position. It is something that I am fascinated by, and am watching carefully what the club are going to come up with. If we get it wrong, and luck is against us I am sure that the premiership will be unforgiving, a wrong decision could cost us valuable points.
 

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An experienced keeper with poor distribution is no use to us
Very true, however, sometimes you are forced to make the best of what is available. Better to have experience with poor distribution sitting on the bench than a young lad who is a prospect, but currently nowhere near what is required to keep goal at the highest level. Anyone who sits on the bench could be called upon to play and could cost us points.
 

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Interesting although could be due to available personnel. The Ajer signing suggests we would be playing 3 cbs and 2 wbs but i guess lets see
We might be playing 433 in the early preseason to enable focus on fitness, teamplay and technique by having a formation the players have used for most of the last 2+ years and will be perfecting alternate set ups as fitness develops and as you say as the squad fills up with key players (eg if we’re going to play 352 it needs Norgaard, Jensen and Onyeke to be training together as the midfield, and Ajer & Pontus to be playing together with Pinnock et al).
 
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