General Transfer Rumours (Summer 2021)

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Interesting although could be due to available personnel. The Ajer signing suggests we would be playing 3 cbs and 2 wbs but i guess lets see

True. We could have played a 3 at the back today, though one of the CBs would probably have had to play the full 90. I imagine we'll want to play both systems. Expect the Man U game might give us a better idea.
 

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I am afraid that either you have missed my point entirely, or my usage of English needs to be improved. I do not have any concern about Gunnarson being a back up Goal Keeper to Raya. There is no doubt that he will at some point he play games for the team, and he will need to do this for his own personal development, and I am quite content with that, indeed I think highly of him. The issue I have, is that two keepers (Gunnarson & Raya) are not enough for the Premiership, and a third is necessary should either Raya or Gunnarson get injured or suspended. Those keepers in the B team are very good prospects, but all are as yet nowhere near the standard required to keep goal in the top league. If either of Gunnarson or Raya get injured which B team keeper do you suggest should sit on the bench? Maybe it is your view that the club should gamble with just two. If someone sits on the bench he is always likely to play at some point in the game. It is a serious question, and I should be interested to read your answer.
If you’re talking about the 3rd choice keeper - the odds that we would need to call on them are incredibly small. You say that all PL sides have experienced back up, I don’t think that’s true if you’re talking about the 3rd choice keeper.

Using wiki pages:

Arsenal - Okwonko
Aston Villa - none listed
Brighton - Steele / Walton
Burnley - Peacock-Farrell
Chelsea - none listed
Palace - Matthews
Everton - Virginia
Leeds - none listed
Leicester - Jakupovic
Liverpool - Karius
City - Carson
Utd - Heaton
Newcastle - Gillespie
Norwich - McGovern
Southampton - Lewis
Spurs - Whiteman
Watford - Elliot / Dahlberg
West Ham - Martin
Wolves - Sarkic

From that list, maybe half have a goalkeeper who’s played any meaningful games before, and I’d wager by the time the season starts loads of those will have gone out on loan. Plenty of teams, including Arsenal, Villa, Chelsea, Everton, Leeds, Spurs, have a youth team player with no first team appearances as their 3rd choice.

And I certainly wouldn’t say any of the players listed (except Heaton and Karius) were good enough to play PL football, that’s why they are 3rd choice! How much worse will our B-team keeper be?

We need to be smart where we spend our money to get the best ROI, and 3rd choice goalie isn’t it.
 

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If you’re talking about the 3rd choice keeper - the odds that we would need to call on them are incredibly small. You say that all PL sides have experienced back up, I don’t think that’s true if you’re talking about the 3rd choice keeper.

Using wiki pages:

Arsenal - Okwonko
Aston Villa - none listed
Brighton - Steele / Walton
Burnley - Peacock-Farrell
Chelsea - none listed
Palace - Matthews
Everton - Virginia
Leeds - none listed
Leicester - Jakupovic
Liverpool - Karius
City - Carson
Utd - Heaton
Newcastle - Gillespie
Norwich - McGovern
Southampton - Lewis
Spurs - Whiteman
Watford - Elliot / Dahlberg
West Ham - Martin
Wolves - Sarkic

From that list, maybe half have a goalkeeper who’s played any meaningful games before, and I’d wager by the time the season starts loads of those will have gone out on loan. Plenty of teams, including Arsenal, Villa, Chelsea, Everton, Leeds, Spurs, have a youth team player with no first team appearances as their 3rd choice.

And I certainly wouldn’t say any of the players listed (except Heaton and Karius) were good enough to play PL football, that’s why they are 3rd choice! How much worse will our B-team keeper be?

We need to be smart where we spend our money to get the best ROI, and 3rd choice goalie isn’t it.
If we were to buy another keeper, of those listed as third choices I’d quite like Karius whose career seems to have fallen off a cliff since that CL final.
 

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If you’re talking about the 3rd choice keeper - the odds that we would need to call on them are incredibly small. You say that all PL sides have experienced back up, I don’t think that’s true if you’re talking about the 3rd choice keeper.

Using wiki pages:

Arsenal - Okwonko
Aston Villa - none listed
Brighton - Steele / Walton
Burnley - Peacock-Farrell
Chelsea - none listed
Palace - Matthews
Everton - Virginia
Leeds - none listed
Leicester - Jakupovic
Liverpool - Karius
City - Carson
Utd - Heaton
Newcastle - Gillespie
Norwich - McGovern
Southampton - Lewis
Spurs - Whiteman
Watford - Elliot / Dahlberg
West Ham - Martin
Wolves - Sarkic

From that list, maybe half have a goalkeeper who’s played any meaningful games before, and I’d wager by the time the season starts loads of those will have gone out on loan. Plenty of teams, including Arsenal, Villa, Chelsea, Everton, Leeds, Spurs, have a youth team player with no first team appearances as their 3rd choice.

And I certainly wouldn’t say any of the players listed (except Heaton and Karius) were good enough to play PL football, that’s why they are 3rd choice! How much worse will our B-team keeper be?

We need to be smart where we spend our money to get the best ROI, and 3rd choice goalie isn’t it.
I wouldn’t use Wiki page, most of them are wrong. Leicester is Ward who is a very good back up keeper, Everton, Burnley, City and Newcastle is also incorrect, Man U have De Gea and Henderson🤷🏼‍♂️ I agree however that I would rather spend the money elsewhere, if we wanted experience we would of kept Daniels
 
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I wouldn’t use Wiki page, most of them are wrong. Leicester is Ward who is a very good back up keeper, Everton, Burnley, City and Newcastle is also incorrect, Man U have De Gea and Henderson🤷🏼‍♂️
We're talking 3rd choice keepers mate, not 2nd choice.
 

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If you’re talking about the 3rd choice keeper - the odds that we would need to call on them are incredibly small. You say that all PL sides have experienced back up, I don’t think that’s true if you’re talking about the 3rd choice keeper.

Using wiki pages:

Arsenal - Okwonko
Aston Villa - none listed
Brighton - Steele / Walton
Burnley - Peacock-Farrell
Chelsea - none listed
Palace - Matthews
Everton - Virginia
Leeds - none listed
Leicester - Jakupovic
Liverpool - Karius
City - Carson
Utd - Heaton
Newcastle - Gillespie
Norwich - McGovern
Southampton - Lewis
Spurs - Whiteman
Watford - Elliot / Dahlberg
West Ham - Martin
Wolves - Sarkic

From that list, maybe half have a goalkeeper who’s played any meaningful games before, and I’d wager by the time the season starts loads of those will have gone out on loan. Plenty of teams, including Arsenal, Villa, Chelsea, Everton, Leeds, Spurs, have a youth team player with no first team appearances as their 3rd choice.

And I certainly wouldn’t say any of the players listed (except Heaton and Karius) were good enough to play PL football, that’s why they are 3rd choice! How much worse will our B-team keeper be?

We need to be smart where we spend our money to get the best ROI, and 3rd choice goalie isn’t it.
You have explained your position. After reading your detailed account I fully understand where you are coming from, however, I do not agree with you. Any player, goalkeeper included, who sits on the bench is always at risk of being required to play, and I would be very concerned if that keeper was Shepherd. He is an excellent prospect, but not yet ready to face the likes of Harry Kane. As with all these things we will have to differ, and wait to see how things evolve. As is said many times on here I have great faith in the DofF, and it will be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks, who knows perhaps they will take your path, and gamble.
 

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The option exists to recall Balcombe, on the basis that the Club has only one Professional Goalkeeper available.
 

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Although we have come into some money with the PL. The wage Budgets will restrict us. The DOFs alrrady said they won't bring players in who can't challenge first 11. We can't afford to pay a "average PL" player to sit on the bench at what going average wage in PL is 30-50k and yes they will ask for that because thats the going rate.

So what's the point in signing a average 28-30 something in whatever position on a stupid salary to sit on the bench.
 

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Although we have come into some money with the PL. The wage Budgets will restrict us. The DOFs alrrady said they won't bring players in who can't challenge first 11. We can't afford to pay a "average PL" player to sit on the bench at what going average wage in PL is 30-50k and yes they will ask for that because thats the going rate.

So what's the point in signing a average 28-30 something in whatever position on a stupid salary to sit on the bench.
We 100% need a good squad, and I expect us to sign a back up left back as the chances of needing them to contribute are quite high.

But, on the whole our squad is good enough already (squad that is, not first team necessarily) that’s the only place I could see us bringing in a back up. And in this case we’re talking about signing a back up’s back up, in the keeper position (where they are significantly less likely to get fatigued or injured), which I think is a waste of money with our limited budget.

The chance they would be used is very small, and the chance they’d be significantly better than our best B-team player could perform, is also not very big. So for me the ROI is tiny. Appreciate others may think differently.

Remember from the interview the DoFs gave, that signing a new first team winger for X million was only going to improve our chances of going up a couple of percent. Signing a back up back up keeper is going to make an almost negligible difference, so can’t see it happening.

The main way our back ups will improve is by signing first team players who displace those already in the first XI. No point signing players with the intent of being back ups if you can help it.
 

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Surely if we signed an experienced goalkeeper he would be 2nd choice and Gunnarson 3rd?
I am strongly in the camp that thinks we need a third keeper, however, not one who will block Gunnarson’s progress. So I am hoping for a keeper perhaps in the Daniels mode, maybe even older, on a one year contract who is happy to be a number three.
 

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It’s clear, no matter what everyone here wants, the common goal is to stay up (and more!) My opinion was what I think would help that cause; and yes I have complete trust in the way the club is run.

But to just say I’ll trust the club and not express and opinion is a bit of a cop out and doesn’t exactly fuel a healthy forum surely ?
But you can't judge a player on a half of pre-season football either.
 

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Not seen any evidence he has signed elsewhere at the moment.
If he doesn’t I suppose in theory it is possible we could recontract him if needed late in the window (or even in emergency as a free agent outside the window?).
 

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I am strongly in the camp that thinks we need a third keeper, however, not one who will block Gunnarson’s progress. So I am hoping for a keeper perhaps in the Daniels mode, maybe even older, on a one year contract who is happy to be a number three.
Could we tempt Stuart Nelson from Crawley?
 

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If we are relying on Gunnarson as our number two, then it means he's progressed decently well. I would be very apprehensive of having him there, but I also can't say that I've seen him play much over the last couple of years.

Just remember your number two can become your number one very easily, we'd need to be sure he was ready...
 

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Think we should go for Coco from Muff. Would love to see his first training session with Ivan. We could also get him to plaster the wall he damaged 😀👍.
Gone to Everton!
 
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Think we should go for Coco from Muff. Would love to see his first training session with Ivan. We could also get him to plaster the wall he damaged 😀👍.
You would have to get Muff to get Everton‘s permission. They just sold him, with the damaged wall as an Add On !
 

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If we are relying on Gunnarson as our number two, then it means he's progressed decently well. I would be very apprehensive of having him there, but I also can't say that I've seen him play much over the last couple of years.

Just remember your number two can become your number one very easily, we'd need to be sure he was ready...
No point of a B team if we're constantly signing "experienced" players to sit and take the opportunity when it arises.
 

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No, based it on my opinion and what I’ve seen of him in a limited capacity, but what I’ve seen is defiantly not him tested against is Premiership quality so far, Kane, Cavani, Salah etc.

The transfer window closes and Raya is injured - is he out man in the sticks, what is your opinion ?
So we should bin-off everyone in the team except for Pontus then? :unsure: Genius thinking.
 

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Exactly. Glad you have seen sense at last.
Not quite, I didn't mention any being binned off, my point was about drawing on experience, as even with the model we have in place it has proved beneficial previously.
 

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Gassan Ahadme a dual citizen Moroccan/Spanish a 20 year old has been playing in Norwich’s U23 team but is currently on trial with Portsmouth. He scored 3 in Pompey’s 5-2 win on Saturday which was a reserve friendly. This afternoon’s 2-0 kick off at Bristol City he scored 2 more the second was a penalty. This was a first team ‘game’ but was over 120 minutes.

Has anybody seen him play at all?

Has signed for Portsmouth on loan from Norwich, so not being let go by Norwich
 

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Not a rumour more of a suggestion
Riechedly Bazoer from Vitesse looks very good, seems like dasilva if he were a defender.
 

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Don't our 'B' Team players have a full professional contracts, they are not academy players.
I would assume that B Teamers when promoted to the first team squad are those that are on "full professional contracts" under the regulations.
 

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I would assume that B Teamers when promoted to the first team squad are those that are on "full professional contracts" under the regulations.
The regulation is any player that has played 1 professional game is deemed a pro
 

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I would assume that B Teamers when promoted to the first team squad are those that are on "full professional contracts" under the regulations.
I am sure that there are plenty on this Board who know more than I, however, I thought that the reason why we are not subject to the Academy regulations (losing our better players) was that all players, including the B Team were on full playing Contracts.
 

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I am sure that there are plenty on this Board who know more than I, however, I thought that the reason why we are not subject to the Academy regulations (losing our better players) was that all players, including the B Team were on full playing Contracts.
They are on full contracts why we don't sign anyone under 17
 

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More Turkish shenanigans here


Apparently fenerbahce have offered us Ferdi Kadioglu in return for Halil

Considering all the rubbish on the named thread suggestions etc perhaps this chap oglu should have his own. There looks to be some small substance to it.
 

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Right thats two solid defensive additions........................ Now lets add a wide attacker and a Wing back option on either side (RWB preferred). And its been a top transfer window.

Just feel we need a few more options going forward and we look a little light especially at RB/RWB and LB/LWB especially if Rico gets a knock.
 

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Right thats two solid defensive additions........................ Now lets add a wide attacker and a Wing back option on either side (RWB preferred). And its been a top transfer window.

Just feel we need a few more options going forward and we look a little light especially at RB/RWB and LB/LWB especially if Rico gets a knock.
I agree.

There will need to be a couple moved out to accommodate any more signings, so presumably we’ll see Jeanvier, Valencia and probably Racic going somewhere else. On loan most likely.
 
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