General Transfer Rumours (Summer 2021)

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It's way too simplistic to say that our performance levels dipped just because Ghoddos came on. Most of the rest of the team were knackered at that point. Ajer went down with cramp for example... Just because the DOFs said we needed a bit more athleticism it doesn't mean that every player has to be pressing, ball winning player. We lacked a real cutting edge v Palace and whilst we did well winning the ball back when we got it we couldn't do anything with it. Ghoddos has the ability to pick out passes in the final third and in the absence of Jensen, Da Silva and Baptiste, he's a good option to have. If we were to bring another midfielder in then it really needs to be a creative one rather than one who can run all day..
Spot on we still need creative flair and that normally means players with that aren't the box to box pressing types. You need to have a balance. I'd be very happy with CN with either Janelt or Frank and then a creative player between them to find the passes. Some seem to think Jensen will struggle he will thrive I'm sure of it. We miss his passing range.
 

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It is beginning to look as if your confidence will be put to the test. This series of posts commenced with my comment that we have insufficient midfielders to spare to cover full back positions. I stand by that opinion.

So, we will agree to differ. Time will no doubt tell should that eventuality arise.
 

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It's way too simplistic to say that our performance levels dipped just because Ghoddos came on. Most of the rest of the team were knackered at that point. Ajer went down with cramp for example... Just because the DOFs said we needed a bit more athleticism it doesn't mean that every player has to be pressing, ball winning player. We lacked a real cutting edge v Palace and whilst we did well winning the ball back when we got it we couldn't do anything with it. Ghoddos has the ability to pick out passes in the final third and in the absence of Jensen, Da Silva and Baptiste, he's a good option to have. If we were to bring another midfielder in then it really needs to be a creative one rather than one who can run all day..

Yep, I was going to make this point as well but thought I would leave it to you to make better! :)
 

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It's way too simplistic to say that our performance levels dipped just because Ghoddos came on. Most of the rest of the team were knackered at that point. Ajer went down with cramp for example... Just because the DOFs said we needed a bit more athleticism it doesn't mean that every player has to be pressing, ball winning player. We lacked a real cutting edge v Palace and whilst we did well winning the ball back when we got it we couldn't do anything with it. Ghoddos has the ability to pick out passes in the final third and in the absence of Jensen, Da Silva and Baptiste, he's a good option to have. If we were to bring another midfielder in then it really needs to be a creative one rather than one who can run all day..
Just an observation from me, felt we lost our pressing game when Frank went off that allowed Palace more room in the middle which gave them an advantage. Don't personally think we need any further creativity as Jensen and Baptiste should hopefully be available soon. Will be interesting to watch the intensity and pressing levels on Saturday against Villa, at the moment it's key to us remaining competitive in games, imo.
 

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I don't disagree with the squad assessment, aside from the "concern" - i think continually signing "names" has got a lot of teams into trouble, so our depth comes from unknowns and it has worked out more often than not in recent years. Sign a right-back and get Shandon and JDS back and i don't think we could ask for much more (realistically) at this stage.

Agree. Its been a good window. Im just greedy and want 2 more.

As you say a RB and then an attacking option.
 

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£175K a week I was told at Chelsea and he wasn’t starting for them!!!!

If thats correct then it blows my mind.

No wonder they cant move these players on.

Honestly that cant be right, hes done **** all to deserve that sort of wonga.
 

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If thats correct then it blows my mind.

No wonder they cant move these players on.

Honestly that cant be right, hes done **** all to deserve that sort of wonga.
I was amazed when I heard and believe it’s true. He was being touted as the next best thing but a combination of injuries and maybe a lack of hunger has slowed his progress. (let’s face it, how much more do you need as a young man when you haven’t even played for the first team?)
 

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£175K a week I was told at Chelsea and he wasn’t starting for them!!!!
We're not talking about Loftus-Cheek here are we? There's no way he can be being given that amount of money.
 

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Just an observation from me, felt we lost our pressing game when Frank went off that allowed Palace more room in the middle which gave them an advantage. Don't personally think we need any further creativity as Jensen and Baptiste should hopefully be available soon. Will be interesting to watch the intensity and pressing levels on Saturday against Villa, at the moment it's key to us remaining competitive in games, imo.
We also lost Mbeumo not long after for Wissa who hardly pressed at all, Janelt ran out of steam and stayed deep and Norgaard was uber cautious being on a yellow. The whole team dropped deep and Toney wasn't winning anything in the air so we couldn't get out.

Anyway, there's no way we'll survive if we try and press for 90 mins every game. It's suicide. We need to keep the ball better, move their players around and get in behind teams when we can, cause them issues. It was significant that the ball Ghoddos played for Toney in the box was pretty much the first ball we'd played in behind their defence and that would have been on 70 odd minutes. With a better ball from Toney that would have won the game. Don't get me wrong we've had a fantastic start but we need to get the balance right. We can't rely entirely on Jensen to provide the creativity and Baptiste, whilst an exciting prospect, has hardly played any games in the last few years.
 

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I believe he was at the time he went on loan to Putney
f*** me! No wonder football is knackered! He's 'earning' in one week what it would take me ten years to earn. Good job NHS workers and the like don't do it for the cash, eh?
 

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f*** me! No wonder football is knackered! He's 'earning' in one week what it would take me ten years to earn. Good job NHS workers and the like don't do it for the cash, eh?
It’s ludicrous and I think a massive reason why players at Prem level seem to find it difficult to relate to fans. I don’t think I’ll ever forgive Rooney for his attitude and indignance at travelling English fans in South Africa after the 0-0 draw with Algeria.
The performance was dire and as he left the pitch and heard the jeers said “Oh that’s nice booking your own team, thanks a lot!”
There are fans who’d given up jobs and shelled out thousands and thousands of pounds of savings and this £200K a week footballer was annoyed with them, unbelievable arrogance and entitlement. The squad should have been offering to pay for the fans trips ax and apology for letting their country down
 

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If thats correct then it blows my mind.

No wonder they cant move these players on.

Honestly that cant be right, hes done **** all to deserve that sort of wonga.
There is a whole lot of misunderstanding about Chelsea and the way they run their club, including how they manage their playing staff.

In fact, it can be easily argued that they are at least as well run as Brentford, only with an extra couple of noughts on the end.

Take RLC as an example. Assume he's presently on £175k per week (possibly an exaggeration). That's not so far-fetched for an England international with 10 caps, who's playing for the European Champions. Now consider that while that may be his latest contract, he's certainly not always been on that much. Next, remember that he's (another) product of their youth development. Finally, it is reported that Roma will pay up to €15m for him. Should that be the case, then Chelsea will at least have broken even on him during his time at the club, if not made a small profit.

And he's just one example. While everyone is talking about paying £95m(?) for Lukaku, it gets forgotten that he is one of just three signings they've needed to make this summer, with the other two being Frees.

Meanwhile they've transferred out or released over 30 players(!), including Abraham (£34m), Tomori (£25m) Guehi (£20m), Zappacosta (£8.5m), Ugbo (£6.4m), Livramento (£5.3m), Moses (£4.5m), plus Ekwah-Eimby, Giroud, Bate, Simeu and our very own MPH for a million or more each. In other words, they look like making a healthy profit on player trading this season.

It's easy to sneer at Chelsea - and I enjoy doing so as much as anyone - but they have a very successful model, which no longer depends on Roman's billions.
 
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There is a whole lot of misunderstanding about Chelsea and the way they run their club, including how they manage their playing staff.

In fact, it can be easily argued that they are at least as well run as Brentford, only with an extra couple of noughts on the end.

Take RLC as an example. Assume he's presently on £175k per week (possibly an exaggeration). That's not so far-fetched for an England international with 10 caps, who's playing for the European Champions. Now consider that while that may be his latest contract, he's certainly not always been on that much. Next, remember that he's (another) product of their youth development. Finally, it is reported that Roma will pay up to €15m for him. Should that be the case, then Chelsea will at least have broken even on him during his time at the club, if not made a small profit.

And he's just one example. While everyone is talking about paying £95m(?) for Lukaku, it gets forgotten that he is one of just three signings they've needed to make this summer, with the other two being Frees.

Meanwhile they've transferred out or released over 30 players(!), including Abraham (£34m), Tomori (£25m) Guehi (£20m), Zappacosta (£8.5m), Ugbo (£6.4m), Livramento (£5.3m), Moses (£4.5m), plus Ekwah-Eimby, Giroud, Bate, Simeu and our very own MPH for a million or more each. In other words, they look like making a healthy profit on player trading this season.

It's easy to sneer at Chelsea - and I enjoy doing so as much as anyone - but they have a very successful model, which no longer depends on Roman's billions.
You don’t know that to be an exaggeration and please don’t suggest that because I posted it that it is!
I don’t claim to be the font of all knowledge like some and I can’t tell you whether it’s a Corncrake or a lesser spotted Woodpecker from its birdsong like you but I do know a lot more about football than you will ever begin to so be careful my lawyers are watching. And you can bring your new found Allie who owns this forum along to support you but you’d better bring your lunch 😀😀
 

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We also lost Mbeumo not long after for Wissa who hardly pressed at all, Janelt ran out of steam and stayed deep and Norgaard was uber cautious being on a yellow. The whole team dropped deep and Toney wasn't winning anything in the air so we couldn't get out.

Anyway, there's no way we'll survive if we try and press for 90 mins every game. It's suicide. We need to keep the ball better, move their players around and get in behind teams when we can, cause them issues. It was significant that the ball Ghoddos played for Toney in the box was pretty much the first ball we'd played in behind their defence and that would have been on 70 odd minutes. With a better ball from Toney that would have won the game. Don't get me wrong we've had a fantastic start but we need to get the balance right. We can't rely entirely on Jensen to provide the creativity and Baptiste, whilst an exciting prospect, has hardly played any games in the last few years.
OK we agree to differ, but Palace pressed us for 90 minutes, somehow they did it? Let's wait and see what happens at Villa, maybe it will be a game for the more creative type.
 

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There is a whole lot of misunderstanding about Chelsea and the way they run their club, including how they manage their playing staff.

In fact, it can be easily argued that they are at least as well run as Brentford, only with an extra couple of noughts on the end.

Take RLC as an example. Assume he's presently on £175k per week (possibly an exaggeration). That's not so far-fetched for an England international with 10 caps, who's playing for the European Champions. Now consider that while that may be his latest contract, he's certainly not always been on that much. Next, remember that he's (another) product of their youth development. Finally, it is reported that Roma will pay up to €15m for him. Should that be the case, then Chelsea will at least have broken even on him during his time at the club, if not made a small profit.

And he's just one example. While everyone is talking about paying £95m(?) for Lukaku, it gets forgotten that he is one of just three signings they've needed to make this summer, with the other two being Frees.

Meanwhile they've transferred out or released over 30 players(!), including Abraham (£34m), Tomori (£25m) Guehi (£20m), Zappacosta (£8.5m), Ugbo (£6.4m), Livramento (£5.3m), Moses (£4.5m), plus Ekwah-Eimby, Giroud, Bate, Simeu and our very own MPH for a million or more each. In other words, they look like making a healthy profit on player trading this season.

It's easy to sneer at Chelsea - and I enjoy doing so as much as anyone - but they have a very successful model, which no longer depends on Roman's billions.
Chelsea, well run? Like having the 2 best players to play in the prem over recent years and letting them go for peanuts in comparison to what they are worth now, ie De Bruyne and Salah. Buying back a player for more than double a few years after letting him go, ie Lukaku. I don't think so. The thing with Chelsea is that they have so much money they don't need to focus on little things like being well run.
 

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Chelsea, well run? Like having the 2 best players to play in the prem over recent years and letting them go for peanuts in comparison to what they are worth now, ie De Bruyne and Salah. Buying back a player for more than double a few years after letting him go, ie Lukaku. I don't think so. The thing with Chelsea is that they have so much money they don't need to focus on little things like being well run.

I know it sounds completely counter-intuitive, particularly with the examples you give, but the #CFC business model has benefited far more from player trading activity than any other major English club: in the last 6 years, they have made nearly half a billion from it. @SwissRamble’s typically astute analysis of the most recent annual results demonstrates Ealing Bee’s points:

 

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We also lost Mbeumo not long after for Wissa who hardly pressed at all, Janelt ran out of steam and stayed deep and Norgaard was uber cautious being on a yellow. The whole team dropped deep and Toney wasn't winning anything in the air so we couldn't get out.

Anyway, there's no way we'll survive if we try and press for 90 mins every game. It's suicide. We need to keep the ball better, move their players around and get in behind teams when we can, cause them issues. It was significant that the ball Ghoddos played for Toney in the box was pretty much the first ball we'd played in behind their defence and that would have been on 70 odd minutes. With a better ball from Toney that would have won the game. Don't get me wrong we've had a fantastic start but we need to get the balance right. We can't rely entirely on Jensen to provide the creativity and Baptiste, whilst an exciting prospect, has hardly played any games in the last few years.
Spot on

Pressing high is an art. It isn't a mad tear around trying to close people down. It builds more gradually and deeper as channels and passing options from their defence are closed off and the team, as one, move steadily up the pitch continuing to block the passing options. Then the real pressure is applied to the players in possession.

Even that can't be done for 90 minutes so, as you say, we need to have more possession, cause them issues and take our chances when they come. We had c50% against CP away from home but will get less at other places.
 

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I know it sounds completely counter-intuitive, particularly with the examples you give, but the #CFC business model has benefited far more from player trading activity than any other major English club: in the last 6 years, they have made nearly half a billion from it. @SwissRamble’s typically astute analysis of the most recent annual results demonstrates Ealing Bee’s points:

Game, Set and Match, I think!

As I always say about the mega-rich: they don't become billionaires by spending their own money, they do so by not spending it.

And if Abramovic initially poured millions into CFC basically in order to establish a future UK bolthole should things ever go tits up back in Russia, he's since figured out how to make his investment pay.

A very, very clever man.
 

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FREDERIC GUILBERT, RB 26 A.Villa
No mention of us in this article but with our desire fir a RB this article summarises the options they have at RB now and why he may be allowed to leave

 

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Game, Set and Match, I think!

As I always say about the mega-rich: they don't become billionaires by spending their own money, they do so by not spending it.

And if Abramovic initially poured millions into CFC basically in order to establish a future UK bolthole should things ever go tits up back in Russia, he's since figured out how to make his investment pay.

A very, very clever man.
I think the list of good players they’ve sold early and maybe even bought back for a load shows the dispassionate approach. They work like an investment fund across time rather than a football club looking at individual players. Investment funds don’t go “oh no, the BT shares we bought at £1 and sold at £2 are now £4 but it would be humiliating to be proved wrong for selling at £2 so we’ll leave it”. They buy at £4 and get value without thinking they should have held their original shares. It’s not anything like we could do but it is as sophisticated and mould-breaking against the sentimental subjective approaches of the football world as we are.
 

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FREDERIC GUILBERT, RB 26 A.Villa
No mention of us in this article but with our desire fir a RB this article summarises the options they have at RB now and why he may be allowed to leave

Mentioned this a few days ago. BBC said he was likely on his way. Sure we were linked a while back?
 

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You don’t know that to be an exaggeration and please don’t suggest that because I posted it that it is!
I don’t claim to be the font of all knowledge like some and I can’t tell you whether it’s a Corncrake or a lesser spotted Woodpecker from its birdsong like you but I do know a lot more about football than you will ever begin to so be careful my lawyers are watching. And you can bring your new found Allie who owns this forum along to support you but you’d better bring your lunch 😀😀
What a weird thing to post on a football forum.
 

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I love this post and it’s pebbledash brio.
You don’t know that to be an exaggeration and please don’t suggest that because I posted it that it is!
I don’t claim to be the font of all knowledge like some and I can’t tell you whether it’s a Corncrake or a lesser spotted Woodpecker from its birdsong like you but I do know a lot more about football than you will ever begin to so be careful my lawyers are watching. And you can bring your new found Allie who owns this forum along to support you but you’d better bring your lunch 😀😀
 

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Watford’s summer has been pretty splatter fun but apparently signing Sissoko from Spurs for £2.5m sounds good to me.

Based on what we have and WhT others have done I still feel we need two more players with emphasis still being on a wing back and an attacking mid.

Testament to our DoFs and the recruitment process though that there really isn’t many rumours flying about - very ship shape.
 

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Think we really could do with a backup centre back, or another midfielder who could come in to midfield and allow Norgaard to drop into defence. Goode only out and out backup in that position now and he appears to be injured too given his lack of involvement vs Forest Green.
Maybe Cajuste, if he joins, could play at the back and Cajuste would play in his place
 

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Think we really could do with a backup centre back, or another midfielder who could come in to midfield and allow Norgaard to drop into defence. Goode only out and out backup in that position now and he appears to be injured too given his lack of involvement vs Forest Green.
Yes, we could definitely do with some cover in defence. If work permit issues restrict our ability to shop abroad at this stage, then Mads Andersen, Ben Cabango and Dael Fry could all be possibilities in the Championship, or even Joe Worrall. No doubt it will be someone we've never heard of though!
 

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Yes, we could definitely do with some cover in defence. If work permit issues restrict our ability to shop abroad at this stage, then Mads Andersen, Ben Cabango and Dael Fry could all be possibilities in the Championship, or even Joe Worrall. No doubt it will be someone we've never heard of though!

We can't rely on Goode.

I've never seen anything to suggest he's at the level required. ( Maybe Bournemouth away last 20 minutes ).

He also appears to be rarely fit to play.
 

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I'd say we have a range of targets. Just depends where an 'opportunity' arises. If it does, we'll deal. We won't deal for the sake of it.
 

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Think we really could do with a backup centre back, or another midfielder who could come in to midfield and allow Norgaard to drop into defence. Goode only out and out backup in that position now and he appears to be injured too given his lack of involvement vs Forest Green.
Joe Worrall would be a great replacement if we could get him.
 

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I don't think our D's of F do knee-jerk reactions...
I would caveat that slightly. Their strategy is carefully calibrated based upon the resources available. MBSs injury changes the calculation materially. They may conclude his is an absorbable absence but equally, they may conclude that his absence from the squad, assuming an average injury rate elsewhere may cost us x points. If they are underwriting for us to finish say, 10 points safe, and this costs us 3 points in their modelling, they may be fine with that. If the margins are tighter they may well consider reactivating a search in that position
 

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I don't think our D's of F do knee-jerk reactions...
It might not be a knee-jerk reaction. As they’ve said there always in the market so I’m sure they have a list of CB they like the look of. If it’s not the right deal then I agree they won’t break their budget but at the same time, if you haven’t got enough CB’s then you need to do something about it. Like the Reid signing last season.
 
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