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Sorry if this already has a thread.

Had trouble getting through all the waffle but it looks like either (delete as you see applicable)

a) A way of making friendly internationals more competitive

b) A way of making more marketing money for UEFA

http://www.uefa.com/uefanationsleague/news/newsid=2501767.html#/

I think from the blurb that there is a qualifying place for the Euros in it.

And for this week's branding critique:
https://www.designweek.co.uk/issues...ils-vibrant-branding-for-new-football-league/
 

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Sorry if this already has a thread.

Had trouble getting through all the waffle but it looks like either (delete as you see applicable)

a) A way of making friendly internationals more competitive

b) A way of making more marketing money for UEFA

http://www.uefa.com/uefanationsleague/news/newsid=2501767.html#/

I think from the blurb that there is a qualifying place for the Euros in it.

And for this week's branding critique:
https://www.designweek.co.uk/issues...ils-vibrant-branding-for-new-football-league/

Great idea
 

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Great idea if it stops San Marino 0 France 8 etc
 

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So the 4 play off winners are the teams that won their respective "Groups" (Divisions as such).

The 4 winners of Group A go to a play off.
The 4 winners of Group B, C and D also go to a play off.

This means that In Group D, based on rankings from June 2017, these 16 teams could make up the last group.

*Georgia
*Latvia
*FYR Macedonia
*Estonia
*Montenegro
*Armenia
*Luxembourg
*Northern Ireland
*Lithuania
*Malta
*Wales
*Faroe Islands
*Gibraltar
*Andorra
*San Marino
*Kosovo

No disrespect to any nation, but based on that, Wales SHOULD comfortably win that, with Northern Ireland close behind. However, we could potentially see San Marino, Kosovo and even Gibraltar in the Euro 2020 ahead of a more fancied team, all because they played teams more their level to qualify, whilst the better team had to play teams also of similar stature.
That to me seems a ridiculous way to have a qualifier to what is meant to be a showpiece event.

I like the idea of a nations league, and using the slots normally aside for friendlies, but I don't think it has used those slots. I mean, they still want to have a qualifying competition with 6 teams, 10 games etc. The players will never get a break either based on having to play effectively a Nations League final in the Summer of 2019.
 

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But it should not be a back door way to qualify for the Euros.

We already have enough qualifying games to get into the Euros anyhow
 

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This means that In Group D, based on rankings from June 2017, these 16 teams could make up the last group.

*Georgia
*Latvia
*FYR Macedonia
*Estonia
*Montenegro
*Armenia
*Luxembourg
*Northern Ireland
*Lithuania
*Malta
*Wales
*Faroe Islands
*Gibraltar
*Andorra
*San Marino
*Kosovo

No disrespect to any nation, but based on that, Wales SHOULD comfortably win that, with Northern Ireland close behind.
Eh? :scratch:

Where did you get that list?

Wales and NI are both comfortably in League (not "Group") B, with Wales having a decent chance of getting into League A (top 12) and neither in any real danger of dropping down into League C.

Anyhow, the current projected teams in League D are: Lithuania, Belarus, Georgia, Armenia, Macedonia, Faroes, Latvia, Luxembourg, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Liechtenstein, Malta, Andorra, Kosovo, San Marino, Gibraltar.

Lithuania could conceivably overtake Azerbaijan, or even Estonia, for a place in League C, but the other 15 are pretty much nailed down.
http://www.footballseeding.com/national-ranking-uefa/ranking-2017/
 
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Eh? :scratch:

Where did you get that list?

Wales and NI are both comfortably in League (not "Group") B, with Wales having a decent chance of getting into League A (top 12) and neither in any real danger of dropping down into League C.

Anyhow, the current projected teams in League D are: Lithuania, Belarus, Georgia, Armenia, Macedonia, Faroes, Latvia, Luxembourg, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Liechtenstein, Malta, Andorra, Kosovo, San Marino, Gibraltar.

Lithuania could conceivably overtake Azerbaijan, or even Estonia, for a place in League C, but the other 15 are pretty much nailed down.
http://www.footballseeding.com/national-ranking-uefa/ranking-2017/

I used a lost I found online, however it may be a club coefficient list.
But my point is still valid. And probably even worse then that if a nation like Wales are not in it, they'll get replaced by someone worse.
 

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Eh? :scratch:

Where did you get that list?

Wales and NI are both comfortably in League (not "Group") B, with Wales having a decent chance of getting into League A (top 12) and neither in any real danger of dropping down into League C.

Anyhow, the current projected teams in League D are: Lithuania, Belarus, Georgia, Armenia, Macedonia, Faroes, Latvia, Luxembourg, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Liechtenstein, Malta, Andorra, Kosovo, San Marino, Gibraltar.

Lithuania could conceivably overtake Azerbaijan, or even Estonia, for a place in League C, but the other 15 are pretty much nailed down.
http://www.footballseeding.com/national-ranking-uefa/ranking-2017/

Henrik Mhkitaryan is going to enjoy some of those defences
 

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I used a lost I found online, however it may be a club coefficient list.
Fair enough, but that footballseeding link is authoritative.

But my point is still valid. And probably even worse then that if a nation like Wales are not in it, they'll get replaced by someone worse.
This Nations League idea was dreamt up to replace Friendlies, which are becoming less popular, and are clogging up an already crowded calendar.

But to be worthwhile, it needs some incentive, esp if the little teams are all going to be lumped in together i.e. less chance of "glamour" friendlies against bigger teams etc.

In theory, that incentive amounts to four places in the Final Tournament, though in practice, the teams qualifying from Leagues A and B, maybe even C, would likely have qualified anyhow, had they each been going for one of 24 places by a conventional qualification process.

Therefore giving one place out of 24 at a Finals to a "minnow" is hardly outrageous (imo).

Moreover, that team will also be promoted to League C, thereby providing even further incentive for smaller teams. And if you find it hard to imagine the likes of Lithuania, Armenia or Latvia ever amounting to anything, then consider this. Only a few years ago, League D would have included teams like Iceland, NI, Albania and (wait for it) Wales - ranked No.117 in the world as recently as November 2011!

My personal gripe is with the Finals being extended to 24 teams in the first place i.e. nearly half the number of Associations in UEFA. Imo it would preserve the quality so much better had we stuck with 16 Finalists i.e. just under one third of the teams eligible.

But now that that decision has been taken, then maybe this Nations League idea won't work out too badly - I'm prepared to give it a "Wait and See".
 

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The other significant change is this

Qualifying for Euro 2020 will not start until March 19

10 Groups of 5 or 6 teams

Top 2 Guaranteed to qualify

The remaining 4 places as 24 go through will be

The 4 winners of a 16 team Nations League Play Offs.

The 16 teams are the 16 Group Winners from the above Nations League.

If the Nations Winner has qualified properly
Then the Play off goes to Group Runner Up

If the Runner Up has qualified properly
Then the Play off goes to Group 3rd Place

If the 3rd Place has qualified properly
Then the Play Offs goes to Last in the Group

If the last place team has qualified properly
Then anyone else in that Division gets a Play Offs Place

If everyone in that Division has qualified
Then the division below will earn an extra Play Offs Place
 

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So in summary
20 Teams will Qualify via the Proper Route
16 Teams will have another Chance with the Nations Play Offs Route

Which accounts for 36 teams out of a UEFA maximum of 54 Countries.

So After almost 2 years only 18 teams are knocked out

And those 18 will almost certainly include

Gibraltar
San Marino
Kosovo
Andorra
Malta
Liechtenstein
Kazakhstan
Moldova
Luxembourg

So what is the point ??
 

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An independent Catalonia by then would be fun. Another country Spain would refuse to play.
 

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I think if they refuse to play a nation just because they are petty, and not because of potential violence in other countries situations, then they should forfeit and points awarded to the other nation.
 

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Here are some more details.
The draw for Pool A will be done in January.
There will be 4 groups of 3 teams.
Pot 1 of Seeds
Ger Por Bel Esp
Pot 2 of Seeds
Fra Eng Sui Ita
Pot 3 of Seeds
Pol Ice Cro Ned.

So we play 4 matches
Each of the other 2 home and away.
There are 6 match days across Sep Oct and Nov 2018.

So we have 2 blank days where we have to play a proper Friendly ??
Group Winners get to play in a Nations League Final in Summer 2019.
Last in group get relegated to Pool B in the next Cycle
 

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The best 4 in our Pool who fail to qualify for Euro 20 get a second chance in the Play Offs.
However it looks like all the 12 teams could qualify.

So in that case the Play Off Spot goes down to failures in Pool B
 

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And finally the 10 best teams out of the 12 in Pool A will be rewarded with a Top Seeding in the 10 Groups for the Traditional Qualifying Event for Euro 20.

Which will not start until Mar 19 and end in Nov 19
 

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Best-ranked team will play against fourth best-ranked team and second best-ranked team will play against third best-ranked team (higher-ranked teams play semi-final at home field, venue for the final will be drawn in advance between the two semi-finals' winners). Winners of all four play-offs will qualify for Euro 2020
 

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Down in Pool B
We could have a mini group with
Wales
N Ireland
Ireland in it

Scotland are in Pool C
 

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In Pool D we could have this big hitting Group all playing home and away

Georgia
Luxembourg
Malta
Gibraltar.

Finally we could actually see some competitive games involving the Minnows
 

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So what is the point of this? So confused? Is it aa way to qualify or is it just a friendly tournament?
 

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1 If you do well it decides on your seeding for the Euro Qualification Event.
2 If you fail at that event AND have done well here then you get a Play Off Chance.
3 You play all your friendlies against teams at your level
 

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Could Scotland get relegated into division D, win that that league and then qualify for the Euros?
 

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Another pointless Uefa idea. Just another money pot for them.
 

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Could Scotland get relegated into division D, win that that league and then qualify for the Euros?

I'm not clear on this either. So a Pool D team will definitely qualify for the Euros? An Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan??
 

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I'm not clear on this either. So a Pool D team will definitely qualify for the Euros? An Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan??

Nah they get into a play-off I think. But anyone in League C would have a decent chance in the play-offs, and they'd all easily win League D. So Scotland might try to lose?
 

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Nah they get into a play-off I think. But anyone in League C would have a decent chance in the play-offs, and they'd all easily win League D. So Scotland might try to lose?

They don’t need to try lol
 

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I'm not clear on this either. So a Pool D team will definitely qualify for the Euros? An Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan??

Yes you are correct
There is one play off place at the Euros for EACH Division

AND they only play off against other members of that division

So Wales have a better chance in Division B than Division A which they just missed out on

What is not completely clear is if only 3 Teams in Division A miss out then does the best in Division B join them to play off ?

If so then that team has a harder play off match !!
 
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So Pool A has 12 teams
Assuming 8 qualify for Euros in Traditional Qualies

Then the remaining 4 play off for one spot

Pool B has 12 teams

Assuming 6 qualify for Euros
Then the 4 best positioned other teams play off for one spot.

But if 9 qualify from A then that means that the best from B suddenly has to play the Best from A rather than the lowest in B in these play offs


Surely that is a major issue
 

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So down in Pool D

The 4 Group Winners will
Get promoted in the next Cycle of Nations League

AND
Get to play off vs each other to get a place in Euro 2020

These will be in Mar 2020
But the draw for Euros is normally done in December !!
1 plays 4 at home
2 plays 3 at home
2 Winners play at a venue determined by UEFA
 

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I have absolutely no idea what is going on with this but can someone just confirm that we will qualify easily for the tournament and get knocked out early doors. This will reassure me that whilst everything has changed nothing has really changed.
 

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it is all a bit mental... how did this all go through without anyone noticing?!?

but, it sounds like fun too. let's give it a go, why not...

however, it does sound like it might be over-complicated, which risks making a shambles of it from early on...
 

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I have absolutely no idea what is going on with this but can someone just confirm that we will qualify easily for the tournament and get knocked out early doors. This will reassure me that whilst everything has changed nothing has really changed.

When this new tournament is over

Then the Proper Qualies for Euros 2020 will start in March 2019
10 Groups of 5 or 6 teams
So we should play 10 matches
Top 2 go through guaranteed qualification directly

We can't fail on that now....
 

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Other countries tickets been released on line, for the final, not silly money,

if you fancies a long weekend away there are worse thing to do than to go and see the first final.
 
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