Unsuccessful signings in the Benham Era?

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I echo the comments re: Bjelland’s influence on Mepham.
The problem with subjects like this is we’ve generally only got a rough idea of what was paid and received. For example, I’ve no clue as to whether we got our money back on Jota?
What about the other side of the coin? Those players (not stars), whose BFC career is done/petering out, yet we got surprisingly decent returns overall (add ons)? Toums, Dallas, Goggia, Dean, Egan, Yennaris, Yearwood, Mawson...
You must be kidding a great player playing in the top division and we only got £1 Million I think.
 

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I think for a player to make this thread they need to have both (1) been bobbins on the pitch and (2) left on a free/substantially less than we paid for them.

So, Bjelland doesn’t (he was good and played well) and neither does Grigg (he was bad for how we played but sold at a profit). If you put Bjelland in this list you’re probably adding Dalsgaard and Daniels to it. Maybe Pontus too. And that’s just wrong.

McEachran makes the list because even accounting for his injuries he so rarely produced the goods. In fact he is probably top of the list, and that’s from someone who generally defended him.

Macleod doesn’t for me because in between injuries he was decent, and then when he came back at the end of his spell the club had stepped up a level or two (cf El Alagui).
 

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How much did we pay for him though? He was a decent winger when he left, not a Bielsaball utility all-star...
He was one of the players you said that his career was done/petering out and is now worth 10 times what we got for him.
 

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I would include Bjelland on this list, not only because he cost approx £2.2m and left on a free but you could argue his signing blocked the path for Mawson & Jack O’Connell leading to their departure.
McCloud & McEachran were very poor value, and presently we appear to flushed around £5m on Halil & Valencia.
 

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He wasn’t a ‘midfield general’ despite his nickname but overall I thought we were better with him in the team.
maybe he improved us a bit but he left on a free despite being in his 20s and without major injury. And we didn’t crack the top 6 for the entire time he was with us.
 

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I think for a player to make this thread they need to have both (1) been bobbins on the pitch and (2) left on a free/substantially less than we paid for them.

So, Bjelland doesn’t (he was good and played well) and neither does Grigg (he was bad for how we played but sold at a profit). If you put Bjelland in this list you’re probably adding Dalsgaard and Daniels to it. Maybe Pontus too. And that’s just wrong.

McEachran makes the list because even accounting for his injuries he so rarely produced the goods. In fact he is probably top of the list, and that’s from someone who generally defended him.

Macleod doesn’t for me because in between injuries he was decent, and then when he came back at the end of his spell the club had stepped up a level or two (cf El Alagui).
I like your criteria and think 1/ raises questions about the inclusion of Mokotjo. Sure, he did not live up to the 'General' hype but overall his performances were OK. Whether they amounted to value for money would depend on cost and wages about which I know nothing!

Edit- just seen this has already been raised above :)
 

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Sebastien Hallers fee of 45 million was inclusive of add ons etc and if he had seen out the 5 year deal then West Ham would have forked out a shed load and some to Eintracht Frankfurt, but have decided that it would be better off loading him now and losing liabilities on a player they can't afford.
Let's remember how they dealt with Saids transfer.
Eintracht have more than likely got their fee and Ajax have a good striker.
West Ham will look for the next player to chase like a dog in a cattery.
Like they always do.
 

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They probably have only paid a fraction of the 40M so far so the debt gets passed onto the new owner and they are only a bit out of pocket.

The reality is the bloke is proper rubbish and 40M, wow, he isn't fit lace Watkins boots.
Which continues to make me wonder who are getting agent back handers for signing this tripe?
 

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I think that ones a touch harsh WP. Yes we missed a lot of his time through injury. But when he was in the side he performed well and was integral in the development of Mepham.

I guess he cost us a fiar penny in wages but i dont think he let us down.
Agree with this, without his aid in the development of Mepham we wouldn't have got what we did for him so in that sense he did give us a return.
 

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KK was underrated. He had a great touch and pretty good vision. He got a shed load of assists too. I liked him.
The point is did we get a return on our investment for him though?

I can’t remember what we sold him for but think we might have just broken even.
 
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How much did we pay for him though? He was a decent winger when he left, not a Bielsaball utility all-star...
Exactly.

When we bought Dallas, he cost something like £70k(?) from part-time football, having played amateur football not long before that. We improved him significantly, got good service from him while he was here, then sold him for £1m(?) - someone smarter than me can work out the %age profit on that.

That is a helluva deal by anyones standards; the fact that Leeds have since taken him to the next level is to their credit, not to our discredit (imo).
 

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Hoffman was my disappointment and I really wanted him to succeed. Every time he came on I thought....surely now he'll prove the doubters wrong. Then he'd run around all over the place, chest a few down, lay off the pass.... but the bottom line is, he contributed very little.
 

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How much did we pay for him though? He was a decent winger when he left, not a Bielsaball utility all-star...
Dallas was a bit of a utility player for us too and filled in in other positions but I think we didn’t think he’d play regularly enough as first choice as winger and didn’t want a utility player. His willingness to do whatever Bielsa asks of him is something peculiarly Bielsa-ish and I’m sure pre-Bielsa Leeds fans saw him as a hard worker who was just a useful team player.
 

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Javi Venta. Game changer...
The only player so far to have played for Brentford and CD Tenerife. He didn't cost anything and must have been one of our oldest signings at 36. I believe he was signed on the basis of good stats when playing for Levante. He did score in a Johnstone's Paint game.
 

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Anyone know how much we lost on Barbet (if anything)?

Though no matter how much it was, the comedy value of his own goals and free kicks etc at Loftus Road more than makes up for it. :ROFLMAO:
Barbet's own goals and penalties conceded for Rangers have been well worth any loss we might have made.
 

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maybe he improved us a bit but he left on a free despite being in his 20s and without major injury. And we didn’t crack the top 6 for the entire time he was with us.
was he not with us last season then?
 

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No competition Josh was a huge waste of transfer fee and wages over a long period. Lovely young man, hugely over rated footballer at Championship level
 

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McEachran is the biggest by a mile, minimal contribution, 4 year contract on very high wages (apparently). Broke his leg blocking a Diagouraga shot, is still build like the promising 16 year old he was at Chelsea.

Others haven't worked out, but most aren't hugely costly. Bjelland was possibly misguided, although I acknowledge his injury meant we didn't see the best of him until his final year. Whoever sorted laying that pitch cost us greatly... (it wasn't Kurt who sorted that was it?)
 

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Regardless of how the deal was structured and accounted for etc, I don't think anyone can deny that West Ham did their conkers on Haller.

No?
We knew he was a waste of 40M the day he signed, however that doesn't change the mechanics of how transfers work and they will see themselves in a better position today then they were last week. Also we don't know what WHU may have agreed to in add ons, that could easily be 10M that will never be paid.
 

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