Unsuccessful signings in the Benham Era?

wanderer paul

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This is turning into quite a long list after all 😂

Bethino, was he on loan?

Will Grigg, Jeanvier.
Betinho was a loanee. Still cost money.

Grigg made Brentford a profit. Just.

Jeanvier.....we don’t know yet.
 

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Mokotjo!! He was key in pulling us out of that slump that saw us almost in relegation places a few years ago. Never let us down
Ive not said they let us down...... do people read?

These are players who cost money but left for nothing.
 

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Martin Fillo - although doesn’t really count as he was on loan to us.
 

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Eger had a really good clean sheet record whenever he played, but it was safe to say he never really adapted. Not a spectacular failure, but that was in the pre-stats days (even if Benham was on board).

Kamo certainly wasn't a failure, neither is Jeanvier. Both did what they were asked to do really even if they weren't spectacular...not everyone will be.
 

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Ive not said they let us down...... do people read?

These are players who cost money but left for nothing.
I think your criteria are a little odd...

Dalsgaard may leave for nothing when his contract expires this year but has played 144 games and represented his country in the quarter finals of a world Cup. It would be hard to argue that the £900K spent to acquire his services was anything other than money very well spent.

Likewise, Frank Lampard left Chelsea for nothing when he moved to America...

I think, however, there is a distinction between players who have provided us with value for money; Mokjoto, Bjelland, Alan Judge etc. and those that didnt; McEachran, McLeod and so on.
 

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We clearly need a Player Contract-span Value calculator. Perhaps someone will commit to this for their PhD Thesis?
 

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No competition Josh was a huge waste of transfer fee and wages over a long period. Lovely young man, hugely over rated footballer at Championship level
.............yes.........and our oxygen bill went through the roof.............
 

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Ive not said they let us down...... do people read?

These are players who cost money but left for nothing.
But the title of the thread refers to "unsuccessful signings" -- just because we didn't make money on a player it doesn't mean that player was an unsuccessful signings. Bjelland and Mokotjo, for example, both made significant contributions even if they weren't our best signings.
 

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Ive not said they let us down...... do people read?

These are players who cost money but left for nothing.
Basically you are the only person on this thread who interprets it as being about players who left for nothing.
 

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Eger might not have adapted well but he offered an intelligence and reading of the game that our defenders lacked imo, was good to have around even if he didn't turn out to be the centre back to push us forward
I think the point with Eger was he showed where we were going so while he never adapted to us, we became a club he could have adapted to. What would Terry Butcher have done with Sawyers?
 

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I think the point with Eger was he showed where we were going so while he never adapted to us, we became a club he could have adapted to. What would Terry Butcher have done with Sawyers?
..............cutting half time oranges...............
 
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McEachran is the biggest by a mile, minimal contribution, 4 year contract on very high wages (apparently). Broke his leg blocking a Diagouraga shot, is still build like the promising 16 year old he was at Chelsea.

Others haven't worked out, but most aren't hugely costly. Bjelland was possibly misguided, although I acknowledge his injury meant we didn't see the best of him until his final year. Whoever sorted laying that pitch cost us greatly... (it wasn't Kurt who sorted that was it?)
In a weird way this was probably his best contribution to us as this injury made us speed up a move for Ryan Woods IIRC?
 

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There's a strange obsession with resale value on this thread. Yes it's a huge part of our ethos, but sometimes you just need to pad out the potential with some experience with little expectation of a decent recoup. Surely the first and foremost criteria for judging a successful signing should be what they do on the pitch. I mean, in what world can Grigg be seen as a successful signing and Bjelland not?
 

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There's a strange obsession with resale value on this thread. Yes it's a huge part of our ethos, but sometimes you just need to pad out the potential with some experience with little expectation of a decent recoup. Surely the first and foremost criteria for judging a successful signing should be what they do on the pitch. I mean, in what world can Grigg be seen as a successful signing and Bjelland not?
Good point well made
 

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Josh M, Hofmann & Proschwitz are the real flops... KK , Gogia we made money off so not so bad.
 

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McEachran not so much a flop but a player i thought we could make something of.
Not so many flops but perhaps that didnt live up to the standard we thought. Hoffman is one. Great potential at youth level but never kicked on
 

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It has to be Josh McEachran

there was a 3 game spell where he played ok and I briefly bought into him as though we had spotted something the football world had missed but having a holding midfielder who can’t tackle, isn’t very physical and doesn’t want the ball under pressure is a massive fail

Compare Norgaard or Janelt to his technically gifted but ultimately spineless talents and you will see one of the reasons why we are now regularly competing at the top of the table

(NB before the pedants start, Josh wasn’t expensive in terms of fee but I don’t believe his wages were at the bargain end of our payroll)
 
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There's a strange obsession with resale value on this thread
By highlighting the Haller example (bought for £45m, sold 18 months later for £20m). the point of this thread was to discuss players who cost us financially, to the extent that it affected our ability to sign players. There are, of course, other measures by which one may value a player.

I mean, in what world can Grigg be seen as a successful signing and Bjelland not?
As above, a world whereby Grigg (34 league games) cost £400k and was sold a season later for £1m, while Bjelland (62 league games) was signed for a then club record £2.1m and released 3 years later on a free.
 

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Okay, your thread your rules, and I see from your initial post you're talking in purely financial terms. But to label a signing successful or unsuccessful, I think you need to look at the whole picture. Grigg is definitely an interesting case, and could perhaps be a candidate for most successful outgoing loan signing by us.
 

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There are fairly few examples. Perhaps Nikolaos Karelis although he was inexpensive.
 

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Some funny loans down the years, Leandro Rodrigues anyone? Joao Texeira?

We also had Emmanuel Ledesma on a short term deal didn’t we? That was interesting.
 

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Some funny loans down the years, Leandro Rodrigues anyone? Joao Texeira?

We also had Emmanuel Ledesma on a short term deal didn’t we? That was interesting.
I remember Texeira, and surprisingly Ledesma, but had completely forgotten about Rodriguez.
 

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I remember Texeira, and surprisingly Ledesma, but had completely forgotten about Rodriguez.
Ledesma only made one appearance - and my son owns his shirt from that game. He must have been very small as it fitted my lad when he was eleven.
 
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Cost £2.5m in a fee. Plus whatever he was earning. Then leaves for nothing. Certainly up there as the one who the Club hasn’t had a good return on.
A decent chunk of that could be regarded as an investment in turning Mepham into a very valuable asset. I’d say a good return?
 

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Rodrigues played away at Forest at the start of that really good run if my memory serves me correctly? He's definitely in the camp of players you forget about until you're reminded a couple of years later. Calum Elder fits in that category as well.

Ledesma only played in the League Cup against Exeter I think. Was a bit of an odd move that one.

Nick Proschwitz! Anyone could tell that was a misfit signing, even on the day. Steve Bruce said signing him for Hull was the biggest mistake he's made in his career.
 

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Nick Proschwitz! Anyone could tell that was a misfit signing, even on the day. Steve Bruce said signing him for Hull was the biggest mistake he's made in his career.
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I distinctly remember his first game (I think he came on as a sub). He had just signed the day before and obviously had never seen or been to GP. As I was walking down Clifden Road at about 2.15 I saw this tall, suited guy running out of the girl's school where the players used to park their cars. He tried to get into the Brook R entrance but had to be directed around to Braemar R. I thought it must have been him . Sure enough it was when I saw him come on. Even then he still needed directions this time to where the goal was. 😁
 

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Eger might not have adapted well but he offered an intelligence and reading of the game that our defenders lacked imo, was good to have around even if he didn't turn out to be the centre back to push us forward
He was great value purely for hearing Uwe shout “come on Eggy” repeatedly.
 

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I distinctly remember his first game (I think he came on as a sub). He had just signed the day before and obviously had never seen or been to GP. As I was walking down Clifden Road at about 2.15 I saw this tall, suited guy running out of the girl's school where the players used to park their cars. He tried to get into the Brook R entrance but had to be directed around to Braemar R. I thought it must have been him . Sure enough it was when I saw him come on. Even then he still needed directions this time to where the goal was. 😁
Those big red dots could've come in handy then.
 

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Some funny loans down the years, Leandro Rodrigues anyone? Joao Texeira?

We also had Emmanuel Ledesma on a short term deal didn’t we? That was interesting.
Talking of loan players, does anyone remember Mike Grella, who we signed up, having originally come to us on loan from Leeds, whose chairman at the time was Ken Bates, (ex Chelsea). To show what a small world it is, Ken Bates went to Ealing Grammar School for Boys, and Mike Grella came from the U.S. of A !!
 

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Talking of loan players, does anyone remember Mike Grella, who we signed up, having originally come to us on loan from Leeds, whose chairman at the time was Ken Bates, (ex Chelsea). To show what a small world it is, Ken Bates went to Ealing Grammar School for Boys, and Mike Grella came from the U.S. of A !!
Mike Grella. Didn't he score a stupid amount of goals against Bournemouth one night in the Freight Rover Paint Trophy?
 

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Kerschbaumer and Gogia got us excited pre-season but were garbage on the pitch.

Pim Balkestein I seem to remember being a flop too.
 

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McEachran not so much a flop but a player i thought we could make something of.
Not so many flops but perhaps that didnt live up to the standard we thought. Hoffman is one. Great potential at youth level but never kicked on
Really!!
 

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