Unsuccessful signings in the Benham Era? (1 Viewer)

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Of course the other major flop was the long winded and disastrous appointment of Dijkhausen as coach
 

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Some funny loans down the years, Leandro Rodrigues anyone? Joao Texeira?

We also had Emmanuel Ledesma on a short term deal didn’t we? That was interesting.
Sorry cant remember the guys name but we had a Black guy from Ipswich possible name Sobers, the player was supposed to play upfront and was also supposed to have speed to spare .
 

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Sorry cant remember the guys name but we had a Black guy from Ipswich possible name Sobers, the player was supposed to play upfront and was also supposed to have speed to spare .
He was a pretty good bowler and batsman as well.
 

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Sorry cant remember the guys name but we had a Black guy from Ipswich possible name Sobers, the player was supposed to play upfront and was also supposed to have speed to spare .
Sobers was a CB who played 1 game I think in League 1 and scored v Hull in the last game of the season circa 2005
 

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Tommy Smith was pretty sh*t and probably not cheap either
 

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or were they pre-Benham?
 

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Efan Ekoku
Carl Cort
Paul Davis

or were they pre-Benham?
All pre I reckon. Anyway didn't Carl Cort score in that dramatic comeback from 0-3 down at HT against MKD? Bloody Paul Davis was a disgrace.
 

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Carl Court was before the MK 3-3 season, I think that was Alexander and Legge...Alexander scored a pen for the second although I can't remember who got the first.
 

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Carl Court was before the MK 3-3 season, I think that was Alexander and Legge...Alexander scored a pen for the second although I can't remember who got the first.
Carl Cort also scored in a 3-3 against MK - two seasons before the famous one. Also in the last minute, I think.

This will be an unpopular decision but it remains to be seen whether Pontus Jansson will turn out to be value for money, IMO. Large transfer fee, massive wages, little sell-on value and frequently injured. You can’t question his performances when he does play but he’s just not on the pitch often enough. If we go up it’ll be worth it. If we don’t, you have to say that money could’ve been better spent elsewhere.
 

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Carl Cort also scored in a 3-3 against MK - two seasons before the famous one. Also in the last minute, I think.

This will be an unpopular decision but it remains to be seen whether Pontus Jansson will turn out to be value for money, IMO. Large transfer fee, massive wages, little sell-on value and frequently injured. You can’t question his performances when he does play but he’s just not on the pitch often enough. If we go up it’ll be worth it. If we don’t, you have to say that money could’ve been better spent elsewhere.
I would argue his leadership and experience on and off the pitch, would be a positive factor for Frank and Brentford FC, not easily quantified though.
 

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There's no doubting his positive influence. I'm just not sure it's £6m + wages worth though.
Maybe, but I think he has been a very big part of the transformation of the club culture since the beginning of last season to take pride in defending. That was obviously TF’s intention but with a young squad who’d all been recruited for their ball playing ability, having a strong leader on the pitch to drive that change and make everyone take pride in defence might well be worth more than £6m.

Pre-Pontus we were generally admired for our recruitment and our fast flowing, passing, attacking play but also known to have a soft underbelly defensively, despite having had such a production line of highly rated CBs that either the starters or the sold off surplus made millions (Tarkowski, Egan, O’Connell, Mawson, Mepham, Konsa). We don’t now and the transformation is so complete we don’t even need PJ on the pitch for it to take effect any more. Can you imagine Maupay in August 2018 saying in an interview how he cares about defending and being as proud of doing his defensive duties as scoring? Ollie in August 2019? It would have sounded weird. Yet we lauded Ivan for it in August 2020 when he hadn’t yet shown he could outscore the other two. So the culture change has even gone as far as the fans.

Short of PJ going to QPR and doing a Rowlands there’s no way he’ll ever be an unsuccessful buy!
 

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Jerome Sobers. Years before the Benham era. Scored against Hull in the last day of the 05/06 season. He was a CB, not a forward
Thanks Guildford. Funny, still don't recall him. I do remember we put out a very young/inexperienced side that day - and still won.
 

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Not sure if loans count but was so excited when we got Betinho on loan in the Warburton year in the championship. Think he only played a couple of games but when we signed him was so excited more because his name than anything else. Think he found it hard to adapt to English football.
 

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No one was fussed because we had better. Doesn't stop the fact that he was rather good himself. Just less experienced than our first choices and he wanted to play.
we had Dean, Tarkowski and Barbet when he left..🤷 he played a fair amount of games that season but never really showed enough for me and clearly not for the club either. Fair play to him for his success since but I don’t think it was the wrong decision at the time. It’s easy to say in hindsight but who’s to say he’d have found his feet staying here? Sometimes it takes a different environment and style to get the best out of a player..
 

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we had Dean, Tarkowski and Barbet when he left..🤷 he played a fair amount of games that season but never really showed enough for me and clearly not for the club either. Fair play to him for his success since but I don’t think it was the wrong decision at the time. It’s easy to say in hindsight but who’s to say he’d have found his feet staying here? Sometimes it takes a different environment and style to get the best out of a player..
I think it was a mistake. It was clear even then he had a higher ceiling than Dean and giving Barbet playing time over him seems mad now. He always looked a good defender if a bit clumsy on the ball. If Tf had been our coach then I'm sure he would have picked him ahead of Barbet.
 

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I think it was a mistake. It was clear even then he had a higher ceiling than Dean and giving Barbet playing time over him seems mad now. He always looked a good defender if a bit clumsy on the ball. If Tf had been our coach then I'm sure he would have picked him ahead of Barbet.
Anyone who scores for us against Fulscum should be ok in anyone's book. 😁
 

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Great move it was too. Judge with the outside of his left foot down the line for someone (I cant remember who) to cross. Put in by MD just in front of the keeper. GP exploded!
Toumani outside of right foot to Judge.
Judge cross.
Marco goal!!!!
Ealing Road :bounce: :bounce: :bounce::bounce:
 

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I think it was a mistake. It was clear even then he had a higher ceiling than Dean and giving Barbet playing time over him seems mad now. He always looked a good defender if a bit clumsy on the ball. If Tf had been our coach then I'm sure he would have picked him ahead of Barbet.
It seems mad now but it didn't at the time at all. As you say he was v poor on the ball and that was what we were all about at the time. I don't remember him being especially good at defending either but if that's what you recall then fair enough. I think with him and Mawson there's a lot of 'hindsight' going on. We can't get them all right. He's thrived in a very different style to us as has John Egan. You could say that Egan may well have done better under TF too, who knows?
 

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Ryan Williams. One of our first signings of the 2015/16 season, apparently bought because he was a dead ball specialist.... considered left field at the time.....
 

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Don’t think so. Only 25 at the time and then went to play in Scotland. Definitely bought just on stats...
The thing is though, whilst these sort of signings might not have worked out at the time, they've all in their own way fed into how we recruit now. We've been fortunate enough at this club to be able to 'experiment' but also to have people who are not afraid of changing tack or saying 'that's wrong, try another approach'. Just look at the DM position, we've gone from looking at Maceachran and Mokotjo in that role to bringing in Norgaard and Janelt. We're certainly 'learning from this' all the time and in that respect the failures are almost as valuable as the successes...
 

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Ryan Williams was just poor judgement, even the Morecambe fans were perplexed when he signed for us. You don't sign a player just because they have good technique for a free kick, that's ridiculous!

And yeah O'Connell was unfortunate...he just needed a year experience in League One, which he got with Sheff U and was then in a prime position to take them forward. He was behind our other defenders and he would have just stagnated had he sat behind them. A loan to Sheff U may have been better, but he may not have wanted that.
 

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Of course the other major flop was the long winded and disastrous appointment of Dijkhausen as coach
Amazing when you think about it. From someone who was completely out of his depth who couldn’t manage a lower league Sunday team, to a Premiership
 

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