Gone Elsewhere Vanderson (Grêmio RB now Monaco)

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According to this lot he is already a Bees player as of yesterday !?!?

Listed in the team too.

 
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According to this lot he is already a Bees player as of yesterday !?!?

Listed in the team too.

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It's not really about age, I'd look more at number of games. Vs Canos agreed - said in my post he'd have to win his place, it'd be no sure thing. Vs Roerslev he's played more games at a higher level, if we're spending £10m or so on him you'd be expecting him to come in and compete (like Wissa, Ajer, Onyeka).
How many top-level games, equivalent to PL, has he played?
 

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I think that's probably unlikely - we don't tend to buy players unless they can improve the first XI - and given the first XI have been doing so well it'd rock the boat quite a lot to replace half of them.

I would guess it's 2-3 players maximum. It might be that we're in discussions with 5 players at the moment and this guys interpreted that wrong but I doubt we'd sign them all if we were.

Who knows, I'm probably wrong.
It’s normally the worst window to buy but if Brexit has meant our business increases in South America then this falls away. I suspect with half the campaign gone, Phil and Matthew know who is cutting it in the Prem and who isn’t and we will replace accordingly.

What is good enough for today is not for tomorrow so it’s exciting to see this transfer activity.
 
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How many top-level games, equivalent to PL, has he played?

Of his 52 games, 12 have been in a sub-standard competition, the local state Campeonato Gaúcho.

The other 40 have been in Série A (30), Copa do Brasil (5), Copa Sudamericana (3) and Copa Libertadores (2). So just about a season's experience, though a few of those Copa do Brasil and Sudamericana games were against relatively weak opposition.

However, we may need a bit of patience. I'd love him to hit the ground running but towards the end of this season, he lost his place in the Grêmio team and young Brazilian players often take a while to settle in Europe.
 

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How many top-level games, equivalent to PL, has he played?
How many had any of our team played top-level games equivalent to the PL before this season?

Have people not learned that PL or top flight experience isn't all it's cracked up to be. If you're good enough, you're good enough. If the DoFs want him, I'm sure he'll be good enough.
 

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How many had any of our team played top-level games equivalent to the PL before this season?

Have people not learned that PL or top flight experience isn't all it's cracked up to be. If you're good enough, you're good enough. If the DoFs want him, I'm sure he'll be good enough.
Just ask Fulham what experience they had when they went down..... 😄
 

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How many had any of our team played top-level games equivalent to the PL before this season?

Have people not learned that PL or top flight experience isn't all it's cracked up to be. If you're good enough, you're good enough. If the DoFs want him, I'm sure he'll be good enough.
But you don't know what they want him for, do you? You can't assume that any player we sign will be an automatic starter in the first team – at least you can accept a gradual introduction. I really doubt that players we sign, if any, will be "oven ready", on the sort of budget we have, with most January signings expected to be eased in for real contribution in the following season.
 

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But you don't know what they want him for, do you? You can't assume that any player we sign will be an automatic starter in the first team – at least you can accept a gradual introduction. I really doubt that players we sign, if any, will be "oven ready", on the sort of budget we have, with most January signings expected to be eased in for real contribution in the following season.
They will be oven ready, they'll just need warming up for a short while :cool:
 

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But you don't know what they want him for, do you? You can't assume that any player we sign will be an automatic starter in the first team – at least you can accept a gradual introduction. I really doubt that players we sign, if any, will be "oven ready", on the sort of budget we have, with most January signings expected to be eased in for real contribution in the following season.
If we're actually signing this guy and spending the money being mentioned, he'll be in the match day squad from the off as a minimum. Starting XI very soon afterwards if not straight away.
 

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If we're actually signing this guy and spending the money being mentioned, he'll be in the match day squad from the off as a minimum. Starting XI very soon afterwards if not straight away.
Exactly this. He may start off behind Canos as he’s eased in the first few weeks, but we’re not spending 10 million for him to be 3rd choice behind Roerslev.
 

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Not yet, maybe next season. Like JDS.
I was more referring to the money, not the player.
We spent anything towards £5m for a player sitting in the B team and not even in the firdt team squad, whilst some are saying we won't spend hard cash and not expect him to start., or be in squad.
 

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I was more referring to the money, not the player.
We spent anything towards £5m for a player sitting in the B team and not even in the firdt team squad, whilst some are saying we won't spend hard cash and not expect him to start., or be in squad.
You're comparing 1m up front plus add ons to, allegedly, 10m up front plus add ons.

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I was more referring to the money, not the player.
We spent anything towards £5m for a player sitting in the B team and not even in the firdt team squad, whilst some are saying we won't spend hard cash and not expect him to start., or be in squad.
I think it is more about how much we’d spend on a player to develop slowly over time. £10m is around the level we’ve spent on Wissa and Onyeka. So while it isn’t enough to make someone a nailed on starter it is enough to put them into the first team and playing regularly as soon as fit. If we stay up I’d expect that spending threshold to rise so maybe someone arriving in the summer for £7.5-10m (eg say, Brennan Johnson) wouldn’t be straight in on the bench.
 

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I was more referring to the money, not the player.
We spent anything towards £5m for a player sitting in the B team and not even in the firdt team squad, whilst some are saying we won't spend hard cash and not expect him to start., or be in squad.
It only becomes anywhere near 5 million when he begins to play for us, and starts fulfilling requirements for add ons. Until then it’s less than 2 million.
 

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And he doesn't even fit in the first team.
If MPH's fee rises to £5m from £1m it's hardly surprising that we won't remove him from the oven until he's well roasted. With yer man he should be almost oven ready now.
 

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Not yet, maybe next season. Like JDS.
JDS hasn’t played in the prem yet, has he? I hope he adds to the team, but meanwhile we need results with what we’ve got and also what we can get.
 

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But you don't know what they want him for, do you? You can't assume that any player we sign will be an automatic starter in the first team – at least you can accept a gradual introduction. I really doubt that players we sign, if any, will be "oven ready", on the sort of budget we have, with most January signings expected to be eased in for real contribution in the following season.
Tbf the discussion, and my posts, were about him being at least above Roerslev in the pecking order, and that he’d have to compete with Canos for a starting spot.

Regardless of what the DoFs want him for, there’s no chance we’re spending £10m up front for a 3rd choice player. Especially when we won’t even spend any money on a back up for Henry!

It seems we’re basically arguing the same thing, you just missed that from my posts.
 

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They will be oven ready, they'll just need warming up for a short while :cool:
This bloke will be coming from lovely sunny 30 degrees to cold, windy, cloudy, rainy, sh*tty. He’ll need warming up for 4 months minimum.
But according to YouTube he looks like a really exciting player.
 

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In the crosshairs of Brentford, from England, right-back Vanderson, from Grêmio, is also on Monaco's radar.

Brentford signaled with a proposal that could reach R$89 million, but the French club is willing to make a higher offer.
 

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Exactly this. He may start off behind Canos as he’s eased in the first few weeks, but we’re not spending 10 million for him to be 3rd choice behind Roerslev.
I think that some posters may be under estimating how much our press players are worth on the open market!
 

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In the crosshairs of Brentford, from England, right-back Vanderson, from Grêmio, is also on Monaco's radar.

Brentford signaled with a proposal that could reach R$89 million, but the French club is willing to make a higher offer.
A middling French top flight club or a middling Premier League club. We're probably the better bet.
 
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A middling French top flight club or a middling Premier League league club. We're probably the better bet.
Agreed, the Premier League must surely be a bigger draw for players.
 

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A middling French top flight club or a middling Premier League club. We're probably the better bet.
I think ( amazingly) with our full squad more than a middling Premiership club and with a couple of quality additions could well be in one of the top 6- 8th spots. I think that’s European footy competitions which may be a bigger draw.
 

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I think ( amazingly) with our full squad more than a middling Premiership club and with a couple of quality additions could well be in one of the top 6- 8th spots. I think that’s European footy competitions which may be a bigger draw.
Monaco are in the Europa League knockout stage and finished last season in 3rd to get in Champions League qualifying. We’re not at their level quite yet!
 

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I think ( amazingly) with our full squad more than a middling Premiership club and with a couple of quality additions could well be in one of the top 6- 8th spots. I think that’s European footy competitions which may be a bigger draw.

Let’s not get carried away just yet, we certainly aren’t more than a middling Premier club today even with our strongest 11.
 

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Are we really thinking of ourselves as a bigger draw then Monaco for new players? Come on............... Monaco are on a different level to us.
 

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Are we really thinking of ourselves as a bigger draw then Monaco for new players? Come on............... Monaco are on a different level to us.
We’re not far off. The prem is a much bigger deal than Ligue 1….. and their ground is even smaller than ours. 😉
 

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I believe there is also an opportunity to lower your tax payments in Monaco.

I may be confused here though.
 
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