"Vile Chants" on Train Back from Liverpool

[horshambees]

If you read my comment underneath I completely apologise for such horrible language. I knew there would be 1 (at least)

1?
How wrong you are?

 

[swr22]

I believe the person stated in the twitter thread it was the 5:48, but I can't find that now. Didn't see any issues on the 6:48, other than the bloke who did many a trip to find the beer cart only to be told it was card only. (Someone did take a toilet door off the hinges on the train up, but it wasn't any bees fans).

That made more sense as I was on the 6:48 and didn’t see any police at Euston even after following it on Twitter from the train

 

[Untouchable]

Always an excuse not to nick people - cf. latest "like"

Just seen that. That’s appalling.

 

[I'll Bee Damned]

Guys, guys, guys we should be be pitying not vilifying this poor young man.

Young men like this have pain in their lives, perhaps not having received the love they craved from their mothers or the acceptance they needed from their fathers and are searching for identity, a sense of belonging and a purpose. There is always somebody with a narrative, ready to give them those things and provide them with somebody else to blame for the pain that they’re feeling. They are misled, not bad……


….or maybe they are just scumbags

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Just seen that. That’s appalling.

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[Untouchable]

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This tweet was liked by the MPS Brentford Twitter account:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1483031400471277572

You might need to click on the link to see the whole thread and response from the GPG.

 

[Banana]

This copper is a idiot. Needs to be replaced ASAP.

 

[AB]

This copper is a idiot. Needs to be replaced ASAP.

Seems to have got “light touch” and “soft touch” mixed up.

 

[Banana]

Seems to have got “light touch” and “soft touch” mixed up.

What have I missed?

 

[Hullbee]

This copper is a idiot. Needs to be replaced ASAP.

Football cops snd hooligans work closely together was always my understanding of how things worked.

Hooligans tell coppers during the week of their travel arrangements and met locations. So they can stand behind brentford coppers and use them as an excuse for not engaging big bad northern hooligans. Pretty certain the lines of communication to police are numerous from wanna be hooligans particularly the bed wetting variety. Used to always make me laugh when I would enquire of a copper where should I avoid drinking at a game or which train will be action packed potentially. They could give me these details on a Thursday ahead of a Saturday gsme.

No need for burn phones and all that b***ocks when you pop into the station and just tell the police.

Benefit to police lots of overtime looking after our hooligans (hero’s) as they wander around the country looking hard but seeking to avoid trouble at all costs.

Some of the best and biggest grasses are the hooligans that follow brentford. It’s actually f***en hilarious

 

[Banana]

Football cops snd hooligans work closely together was always my understanding of how things worked.

Hooligans tell coppers during the week of their travel arrangements and met locations. So they can stand behind brentford coppers and use them as an excuse for not engaging big bad northern hooligans. Pretty certain the lines of communication to police are numerous from wanna be hooligans particularly the bed wetting variety. Used to always make me laugh when I would enquire of a copper where should I avoid drinking at a game or which train will be action packed potentially. They could give me these details on a Thursday ahead of a Saturday gsme.

No need for burn phones and all that b***ocks when you pop into the station and just tell the police.

Benefit to police lots of overtime looking after our hooligans (hero’s) as they wander around the country looking hard but seeking to avoid trouble at all costs.

Some of the best and biggest grasses are the hooligans that follow brentford. It’s actually f***en hilarious

Nutshell. And if the coppers locked up all the hooligans then they would be out of a cushy job and might have to go looking for actual violent criminals.

 

[TW3Bee]

Didn’t chapman get done for signing anti sectarian songs at England Scotland game???

I didn't know @rebus knew Sign Language?

 

[Comic Book Guy]

Crickey, made his account private within 3 minutes.

Surely can't be another coward?!

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You can tell what kind of person he is just by his Twitter avatar

 

[jlove]

One of the life lessons of social media is that those that live in echo chambers are usually surprised when the door is prised open and the humanity of the real world hits them in the face.

 

[JCMcBee]

One of the life lessons of social media is that those that live in echo chambers are usually surprised when the door is prised open and the humanity of the real world hits them in the face.

.... this is the crux....there was no social media in the 70s/80s.... violence was actually real..... but football hooliganism is by and large a thing of the past.....these lads will never get to experience what it was like.... ironically as a direct consequence of social media...its a paradox......the angst of teenage boys is being played out in carriages of trains and mobile phones in 2022.....not on the terraces......but at least they won't get a steel toecap....or a brick in the face.....much safer to be a social media hooligan methinks.....sticks and stones tend to hurt....name calling on Twitter doesn't.

 

[Balders Bee]

I didn't know @rebus knew Sign Language?

Obviously a man of many talents - most of them well hidden .

 

[TW3Bee]

As I say, where’s there proof? Double standards.

their.

 

[TW3Bee]

Life’s too short to argue with morons. Quick, everyone get back to the Eriksen thread

They'll just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.

 

[Banana]

Football cops snd hooligans work closely together was always my understanding of how things worked.

Hooligans tell coppers during the week of their travel arrangements and met locations. So they can stand behind brentford coppers and use them as an excuse for not engaging big bad northern hooligans. Pretty certain the lines of communication to police are numerous from wanna be hooligans particularly the bed wetting variety. Used to always make me laugh when I would enquire of a copper where should I avoid drinking at a game or which train will be action packed potentially. They could give me these details on a Thursday ahead of a Saturday gsme.

No need for burn phones and all that b***ocks when you pop into the station and just tell the police.

Benefit to police lots of overtime looking after our hooligans (hero’s) as they wander around the country looking hard but seeking to avoid trouble at all costs.

Some of the best and biggest grasses are the hooligans that follow brentford. It’s actually f***en hilarious

Case in point was Port Vale where "a meeting has been arranged" away from the ground that plod knew all about and therefore was able to prevent happening. Much to the "surprise" of those that grassed themselves to the police.

 

[Hullbee]

Case in point was Port Vale where "a meeting has been arranged" away from the ground that plod knew all about and therefore was able to prevent happening. Much to the "surprise" of those that grassed themselves to the police.

Then they walk around chanting loyal supporters and questioning the loyalty of other travelling bees during the game for not standing or singing. Always amusing seeing this nonsense play out knowing that most of these supposed loyal hero’s have been on the phone all week to the police being disloyal to one another and selling each other out.

 

[A Real Mysteron]

.... this is the crux....there was no social media in the 70s/80s.... violence was actually real..... but football hooliganism is by and large a thing of the past.....these lads will never get to experience what it was like.... ironically as a direct consequence of social media...its a paradox......the angst of teenage boys is being played out in carriages of trains and mobile phones in 2022.....not on the terraces......but at least they won't get a steel toecap....or a brick in the face.....much safer to be a social media hooligan methinks.....sticks and stones tend to hurt....name calling on Twitter doesn't.

Exactly.
They are trying to live a culture that doesn’t, and can can no longer exist.
It’s very similar to watching the fans at an MLS game. They try hard but don’t really get it.

 

[Brentford1992]

Dear god I have ready some drivel in my time.

Firstly, IF the footage comes back that the boys on the train have racially abused anyone, then yes they need to be condemned. The song in the video is stupid, yes. Racist? No. If not, then singing and being stupid in a carriage full of mostly football supporters and some commuters (let’s not pretend that train had no football fans, it would have been full of both Brentford and Liverpool, alongside commuters) is not perfect behaviour but I’m sure it wouldn’t have given too many sleepless nights. As for the man in the first tweet, I hope he and his son are ok.

Anyway. Why I have decided to post this morning whilst having a cup of tea before work. Can someone please check in on Trevor? I think he’s been hitting the bottle a bit too hard with his late night ramblings. I mean, if you’re going to write essays on events you have no clue about, at least make them somewhat believable! ‘Arranged meets’ at port vale? Do me a favour. You yourself know that some GPG users were aboard that coach Trevor, and the likes of those would certainly not be going to arranged fights. Check with the police, there was no trouble, no racist chants, no bother at all. Merely a way of travel and a good drink to an old school away day.

Also an alarming amount of hate towards the ‘TW8 sticker man’. Grow up. This is a man trying to earn a living. He’s done great work alongside the club during lockdown and causes you no harm at all.

And before I get tarred with the same brush too heavily, no I wasn’t on said train and no I have not sent sh*t in the post, or in train toilet sinks!! Now we always hear a lot of ‘you can’t blame all for one persons actions’ when something happens. This included! You can not blame everyone who speaks to any of these lads on the train. I’m sure plenty on here don’t like me, and I know I have friends on here also. It’s ridiculous to even suggest that everyone who associates should be held accountable!

Anyway, I won’t be posting again, just wanted to make sure you lot in here are checking in on Trevor. Those late night drinking sessions aren’t good for anyone. I myself have had problems with drink and drugs in the past Trev, I’ve turned myself around and am over 3 years T total. If you want advice, I’ll be happy to help!

Not going to hide behind a username, my name is James Stacey, part of the infamous Surrey Electrical Alliance, Churchill statue defender, and whatever else you want to call me.

PS, whoever it was who reported me to the paper, firstly I said some stupid things which I apologise for and secondly, trying to come after my business didn’t work, I had the best year on paper I’ve ever had last year. Thanks all! Enjoy the rest of the season!

 

[horshambees]

@rebus can I have a lift to Everton please?

Me and the kids too.
How big is the car Mr C?

 

[AB]

Crickey, made his account private within 3 minutes.

Surely can't be another coward?!

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Ah, a Freeman on the Land nutjob. He’s probably just tweeting gibbertwaddle about how the Magna Carta (sic) preserves his right to be a racist unless he consents to you using his legal name.

 

[Untouchable]

I said some stupid things which I apologise for

What was he banned by the club for?

 

[BEEcool]

I remember Jake Bidwell taking on the ‘statue defender’ role one spring afternoon in 2017 at GP.

 

[Simon C]

The BYE was always a name that wasn't going to age well but it seems that one by one they are maturing enough to join us old farts and post on the GPG

 

[sonofabee]

Dear god I have ready some drivel in my time.

Firstly, IF the footage comes back that the boys on the train have racially abused anyone, then yes they need to be condemned. The song in the video is stupid, yes. Racist? No. If not, then singing and being stupid in a carriage full of mostly football supporters and some commuters (let’s not pretend that train had no football fans, it would have been full of both Brentford and Liverpool, alongside commuters) is not perfect behaviour but I’m sure it wouldn’t have given too many sleepless nights. As for the man in the first tweet, I hope he and his son are ok.

Anyway. Why I have decided to post this morning whilst having a cup of tea before work. Can someone please check in on Trevor? I think he’s been hitting the bottle a bit too hard with his late night ramblings. I mean, if you’re going to write essays on events you have no clue about, at least make them somewhat believable! ‘Arranged meets’ at port vale? Do me a favour. You yourself know that some GPG users were aboard that coach Trevor, and the likes of those would certainly not be going to arranged fights. Check with the police, there was no trouble, no racist chants, no bother at all. Merely a way of travel and a good drink to an old school away day.

Also an alarming amount of hate towards the ‘TW8 sticker man’. Grow up. This is a man trying to earn a living. He’s done great work alongside the club during lockdown and causes you no harm at all.

And before I get tarred with the same brush too heavily, no I wasn’t on said train and no I have not sent sh*t in the post, or in train toilet sinks!! Now we always hear a lot of ‘you can’t blame all for one persons actions’ when something happens. This included! You can not blame everyone who speaks to any of these lads on the train. I’m sure plenty on here don’t like me, and I know I have friends on here also. It’s ridiculous to even suggest that everyone who associates should be held accountable!

Anyway, I won’t be posting again, just wanted to make sure you lot in here are checking in on Trevor. Those late night drinking sessions aren’t good for anyone. I myself have had problems with drink and drugs in the past Trev, I’ve turned myself around and am over 3 years T total. If you want advice, I’ll be happy to help!

Not going to hide behind a username, my name is James Stacey, part of the infamous Surrey Electrical Alliance, Churchill statue defender, and whatever else you want to call me.

PS, whoever it was who reported me to the paper, firstly I said some stupid things which I apologise for and secondly, trying to come after my business didn’t work, I had the best year on paper I’ve ever had last year. Thanks all! Enjoy the rest of the season!

Good post and maybe time for all of us to wind it in and let it play out. However and not looking to have the last word but I have it on good authority that some stuff the chap and his son experienced was not lads banter at football and pretty low life bullying, easy in a big crowd of fuelled up lads. Someone with a bit of decency and backbone would have known it was wrong and knocked it on the head.

 

[Banana]

Can someone please check in on Trevor?

I'm perfectly fine, thank you!

 

[aslan]

What was he banned by the club for?

Have a guess

 

[Fleet John]

I was on the coach back from Port Vale as it was a convenient form of transport with some of my pals from football on. There were no arranged meets and no racism to my knowledge. If your Brentford then you always get the benefit of the doubt from me and innocent until proven guilty as opposed to the other way round. I don’t think life bans and guilt by association is a sensible way forward. I look for the good in all people & would happily enjoy a pint at football with both Banana and Brentford1992. I feel it’s a sad reflection on society how quick people are to turn on each other. Perhaps all sides could draw a line and pick this topic up again IF there is a conviction following on from the police investigation.

 

[Untouchable]

Have a guess

I already knew but perhaps should have made clear that what I was getting at is that it wasn’t surprising that the poster was playing down the incident in the OP whilst at the same time down playing their own appalling behaviour.

 

[Hullbee]

Have a guess

Selling limited edition Thorne in the side fanzines from the 90’s with a rap of cocaine

 

[Untouchable]

Perhaps all sides could draw a line and pick this topic up again IF there is a conviction following on from the police investigation.

If there isn’t a conviction does that mean it didn’t happen?

 

[Lush55]

Well said @Fleet John
My thoughts exactly!

 

[Fleet John]

If there isn’t a conviction does that mean it didn’t happen?

No of course not, but I prefer to hope for the best than always expect the worst in every situation.

 

[JCMcBee]

The BYE was always a name that wasn't going to age well but it seems that one by one they are maturing enough to join us old farts and post on the GPG

....indeed....old hooligans retire gracefully.... when responsibility comes calling.....just another point in case.

 

[AB]

Good post and maybe time for all of us to wind it in and let it play out. However and not looking to have the last word but I have it on good authority that some stuff the chap and his son experienced was not lads banter at football and pretty low life bullying, easy in a big crowd of fuelled up lads. Someone with a bit of decency and backbone would have known it was wrong and knocked it on the head.

It sounds like one brave older fan did.

 

[A Real Mysteron]

It sounds like one brave older fan did.

Im not sure you’d need to be that brave.
More melts than a power cut at the Walls factory.

 

[Untouchable]

No of course not, but I prefer to hope for the best than always expect the worst in every situation.

I think we’d all like to hope for the best in every situation but the problem here is the person who tweeted the original incident gave a very detailed description of the language used. He’s a blue tick lawyer without any obvious motive to make anything up.

The video at the start of this thread includes use of the phrase ‘batty boy’ which is homophobic. With such clear use of offensive and derogatory language, it’s not hard to accept that the other things may also have been said.

 

[AB]

Im not sure you’d need to be that brave.
More melts than a power cut at the Walls factory.

Even if the lads are basically weaklings, telling a rowdy group to simmer down is not that easy. Otherwise there’d never be much in the way of discipline problems at schools. And most lads at school haven’t been on the Kopparberg for 8 hours already.

 

[hanworthbee]

Agree plenty of people try and do the right thing and end up dead .I'd be keeping quiet.

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

Just read the whole thread…..wow proper mental…..this is an instant classic,,,,,for all the wrong reasons !! There’s some on here from both sides of whatever argument there originally was who havent come out of this at all well and that includes the boards owner…..where were the moderators in all this madness to let that deteriorate so fast ? truly shocking

 

[beesbees_bfc]

Just read the whole thread…..wow proper mental…..this is an instant classic,,,,,for all the wrong reasons !! There’s some on here from both sides of whatever argument there originally was who havent come out of this at all well and that includes the boards owner…..where were the moderators in all this madness to let that deteriorate so fast ? truly shocking

Edmundo would have sorted it but we all drove him over the edge on the ‘things others say about brentford’ thread.

 

[Banana]

Just read the whole thread…..wow proper mental…..this is an instant classic,,,,,for all the wrong reasons !! There’s some on here from both sides of whatever argument there originally was who havent come out of this at all well and that includes the boards owner…..where were the moderators in all this madness to let that deteriorate so fast ? truly shocking

Yeah, got a bit passionate about it...

 

[YouReds123]

So after pretty much 8 pages of nonsense, there's still no proof of anything other than 1 person on a train saying "brentford batty boys". Whilst I agree it's absolutely not a good look for them of for the club, what has happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? I haven't seen or heard any racism so for people to be calling for lifetime bans is a bit much no?

 

[Edmundo]

It depends a bit on whether you believe the man with no reason to lie or not, doesn’t it?

 

[YouReds123]

It depends a bit on whether you believe the man with no reason to lie or not, doesn’t it?

If we're talking about "lifetime bans" then I'd expect it wouldn't have to come down to a "my word v yours" scenario

 

[Guildford Bee]

So after pretty much 8 pages of nonsense, there's still no proof of anything other than 1 person on a train saying "brentford batty boys". Whilst I agree it's absolutely not a good look for them of for the club, what has happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? I haven't seen or heard any racism so for people to be calling for lifetime bans is a bit much no?

If you listen, the full line was actually “Sergi Canos is a Brentford batty boy…”

 

[YouReds123]

If you listen, the full line was actually “Sergi Canos is a Brentford batty boy…”

Yep, you're right. Didn't have the volume of my earphones all the way up. Homophobia has no place in today's society but you'll never be able to get rid of it, same with racism. If the person can be successfully identified then I have no problem with the club issuing a ban. But for life? and for everyone in the video? Seems a bit harsh