Post Match Thread Watford 1-1 Brentford

[BFC1997]

A great point in the circumstances. We looked really good in different ways - on the ball in the first half - and then off the ball in the second. The game could have drifted from us after the red card, but we found a way to come away without a defeat, which was really pleasing.

Watford don’t really look like they’re getting out of first gear yet this season but are still picking up points just because their team is so full of talent. If it clicks for them they might run away with it.

Some huge performances; Toney, Sorensen, Henry my pick of the bunch.

 

[Oceanbee]

A season defining result!

Now will the moaners and disbelievers on here get a grip and get behind the team.

Great football from us first half, followed by great grit in the second half.

Tremendous undefeated run, and we made Watford look very average.

Love to know what happened between TF and Watford manager at the end?!

 

[mhead bee]

I still ****ing hate them, even more tonight. Whinging, whining ****s.

We were unlucky with red, unlucky with a close offside leading to it but bloody lucky with the other offside goal.

Other than that the ref probably got most right although definitely leant 60/40 in their favour with most 50/50 decisions.

At half time a poor point, at full time it feels like a victory.

Ivan Toney gets MOM a every game, he was immense but for me Rico, Raya amd mads were incredible and Goode just stepped straight up to the plate. Janelt another 9/10.

Everyone else just plain old good.

 

[GABS]

Both pleasing and frustrating in equal measure. I'd have taken a point beforehand so can't complain.

 

[tw2bee]

So many excellent performances. We were fantastic first half and thoroughly deserved at least a draw. Another proud night to be a Bee.

 

[Houghton Bee]

Clinton Morrison just said the lino had a nightmare and 'got nothing right all night' on SSN.

 

[mhead bee]

Watford don’t really look like they’re getting out of first gear yet this season but are still picking up points just because their team is so full of talent. If it clicks for them they might run away with it.

They look utterly ordinary to me. Didn’t see many of these players so full of talent.

Played them off the pitch, they put 10 behind the ball amd okayed %’s to deeney amd didn’t really change much second half. That is how they have played all season.

I bet everyone is far more worried about us after tonight.

 

[BudleighBee]

Great first half performance, but what really impressed was the fighting spirit to come back, when a goal down and a man down. I have to admit I wasn't sure that digging in and battling attitude was there, but there it was. Fantastic. A good point under any circumstances, though a bit fortunate with that offside decision.

 

[BudleighBee]

Clinton Morrison just said the lino had a nightmare and 'got nothing right all night' on SSN.

He's right

 

[SH]

The biggest compliment I can give our players is that there wasn’t a single one of theirs I’d rather have on tonight’s performance.

 

[AB]

A very good game.

First half we got our Brentford back for the doubters who complained our conservative style had lost us our attacking zingy play. Second half we showed the grit that never say die mindset provides to pick ourselves up after the red card and get back into it.

Very positive attacking subs and ultimately a fair result but I’d have had Toney to score those two first half near misses and I hope the first half performance gives us renewed confidence to go at teams. If we do it is surely only a matter of time before the floodgates open to give a good team a sound beating.

I just hope Pontus is fit for Saturday as although Goode was solid enough coming on at a very difficult time, I’d be a bit worried starting with him and MBS with no CB on the bench

 

[beebopalula]

Before the game l would have taken a point. In the end l take a point.
Can't fault anyone but it was rather deja vu

 

[A Real Mysteron]

In hindsight, and after seeing it all again.

it was a penalty
To the letter of the law it was a red card
Their “goal” was onside.

so actually we ended up on top with the poor decisions.

 

[cheshirebee]

Jeez, just saw Ivan’s penalty in slomo.
Doesn’t look at the ball whatsoever, just looking at the keeper.
Incredible

 

[cheshirebee]

Keith Andrews on Sky.
‘ Brentford are far from the soft touch they used to be’

‘

 

[jbee]

In hindsight, and after seeing it all again.

it was a penalty
To the letter of the law it was a red card
Their “goal” was onside.

so actually we ended up on top with the poor decisions.

Yeah, I think I’d have to agree having watched them back.

 

[hypa123]

We deserved our luck with the Watford offside "goal", particularly since the build-up to their goal was very probably offside. Plus we hit the post and were generlly the better side.

 

[Ken Richardson]

We should appeal the sending off. It's nothing more than the team deserve.

 

[A Real Mysteron]

We should appeal the sending off. It's nothing more than the team deserve.

It would be a waste of money.

 

[Friji]

The right result all things considered, probably would've won it with 11 players. Hopefully the red gets overturned, looked offside in the build up.

 

[Mark H]

It would be a waste of money.

I don’t it should have been red but I agree the FA won’t over turn an appeal as it is too close too call. They will back the ref IMO.

 

[Lozza]

That first half was the best I can remember against a top six side. Freakish not to score. Most optimistic I've felt this season.

 

[stevil]

That first half was the best I can remember against a top six side. Freakish not to score. Most optimistic I've felt this season.

Exactly how I feel. I loved that first half.

 

[A Real Mysteron]

I don’t it should have been red but I agree the FA won’t over turn an appeal as it is too close too call. They will back the ref IMO.

The law says that if he attempts to play the ball its a yellow.
If he doesn’t it’s a red.
And unfortunately he didn’t.

 

[Wise old Bee]

Having bossed the first half it was worrying that we hadn't scored. Watford upped their game in second half and were a bit faster and tried to play a few yards further up the field and it looked like it had worked for them. We gave the ball away cheaply on the halfway line and that led to their penalty. Us coming back so quickly stopped them in their tracks a bit and, in any event, they lacked the subtlety to break us down. Pleased for Goode who put in a decent shift after being out for a while but this was essentially a team effort with seamless substitutions. I have been desperate to beat Watford for 43 years. Next time.

 

[hitchinb]

It would be a waste of money.

Even when the ref was clearly not watching the game? Surely, there must be a subclause in a subsection somewhere that says if the ref is so drunk he confuses a big black bloke from Barnsley with a slip of lad from Scandinavia, three points should be awarded to the visiting team.

 

[Silly Hat]

A point away from home with ten men against a team who are third and who were in the Premiership last season....

If that doesn’t get the usual insane clown posse slagging off Thomas, nothing will.

Meanwhile: ITFWT IMBWT COYB

 

[SC]

In hindsight, and after seeing it all again.

it was a penalty
To the letter of the law it was a red card
Their “goal” was onside.

so actually we ended up on top with the poor decisions.

The guy who handled the ball for our penalty should have got a yellow and then got a 2nd yellow later so would have been off

Ivan Toney gets jumped on in the area. Has to be a penalty

I still think the initial pass in the move for their penalty is very close. Forget the feet placement but the upper body could well be off.

Maybe they edge it on the decisions but only just

For what it's worth, I thought the ref was very good in the first half but seemed to lose the plot in the 2nd. The Mads Bech / Pinnock cock up just summing his 2nd half performance up

 

[Adam]

In hindsight, and after seeing it all again.

it was a penalty
To the letter of the law it was a red card
Their “goal” was onside.

so actually we ended up on top with the poor decisions.

The Watford player was offside for the penalty. After that a draw was the best we could hope for, we could have won comfortably with 11 men. I don’t think we got the best of the decisions at all.

 

[A Real Mysteron]

The Watford player was offside for the penalty. After that a draw was the best we could hope for, we could have won comfortably with 11 men. I don’t think we got the best of the decisions at all.

i Don’t think he was offside when the ball was played. Initially I did, but having seen it without the emotion I think he was level.

 

[WARFIELD BEE]

We should appeal the sending off. It's nothing more than the team deserve.

If you look at the rules a red was correct, however incredibly if Pinnock had tripped him going for the ball it would have been a yellow, crazy!

 

[Banana]

We should appeal the sending off. It's nothing more than the team deserve.

Oh come on. There's no chance of that being overturned....EVER

 

[Adam]

i Don’t think he was offside when the ball was played. Initially I did, but having seen it without the emotion I think he was level.

If there was VAR he is offside, no doubt.

 

[Untouchable]

Those who are suggesting Pinnock should have been sent off, I have a question...

As far as I can see, EP did not play at the ball or man. It was 2 blokes running together who ended up in a tangle of legs. Their bloke then went down.

How is a tangle of legs either a foul or worthy of a red card?

 

[Mr Cynical]

Really impressive first half. Watford allowed us a bit of space and we took full advantage. We came out with a great tempo and basically tore them apart. Josh, janelt, Canos, Jensen, Toney, Mbeumo, all played their part but unfortunately it just didn’t quite fall for us, a combination of bad luck and poor final ball, Toney in particular guilty on a couple of occasions. Thought Jensen and Canos were superb with their movement and passing and Josh looked back to his old self marauding to the pitch. Second half they came at us but we were holding out well and getting a foothold in the game when Pinnock had a rare moment of madness. Their man looked to have lost control and was going wide but pinnock grabbed at him and down he went. Def pen but harsh red card.

thought that was prob it but we went straight up the other end and got our own pen through good work from Jensen. Toney calmly slotted it to get us back in.

after that we battled well and kept going forward when we could. Goode stepped in well and he and the ever improving Sorenson headed everything away. Got lucky with their disallowed goal but we deserved that bit of luck. Great move at the end with Toney and Forss, if only Marcus could have found the onrushing unmarked Marcondes...

Point a fair result in the end but feel with 11 men we’d have won that. Best 45 this season and a great battling second half despite missing our captain. Will give us huge confidence going forward. Looking forward to Saturday now.. come on you bees!!

 

[A Real Mysteron]

Those who are suggesting Pinnock should have been sent off, I have a question...

As far as I can see, EP did not play at the ball or man. It was 2 blokes running together who ended up in a tangle of legs. Their bloke then went down.

How is a tangle of legs either a foul or worthy of a red card?

Its amazing how people see things so differently.
I don’t think their legs even made contact. I think their fella felt ethans arm on him and went down.

 

[Banana]

If there was VAR he is offside, no doubt.

I think there's a lot of doubt actually.

 

[Ealing Bee]

Let's just leave the officials to themselves, guys (esp since they were probably equally incompetent towards both teams).

Concentrate instead on Brentford. I have to confess, I was getting a bit worried a few games back - poor enough performances, lucky enough to get the points etc.

But there have been clear signs in the last couple of games that the side is beginning to click back into gear, esp tonight's first half, so I'm increasingly optimistic.

As for the game itself, I think the OP summed it up v.nicely.

 

[Banana]

Those who are suggesting Pinnock should have been sent off, I have a question...

As far as I can see, EP did not play at the ball or man. It was 2 blokes running together who ended up in a tangle of legs. Their bloke then went down.

How is a tangle of legs either a foul or worthy of a red card?

Because that is the law. They even showed it on Sky for you.

 

[Gazza Bee]

Best half this season by a mile and looked back to the way we were playing in our 8 game winning run last season. Toney probably should score the header but so unlucky with the strike against the post.

Felt like we needed to be ahead at ht and so it proved - very tight offside call that VAR would have given, Pinnock never going to catch Sarr and definite penalty and red card which looked like would cost us the game.

Stupid defending leads to a blatent handball decision and Toney strokes in the penalty to equalize. After that they tried long ball and failed to really put us under any pressure aside from a shocking offside call from the same linesman.

12 unbeaten and I think this oerformance bodes well as we showed we can go to a top side and not only outplay them but also grind out a result under difficult circumstances

 

[ruislip bee]

Even when the ref was clearly not watching the game? Surely, there must be a subclause in a subsection somewhere that says if the ref is so drunk he confuses a big black bloke from Barnsley with a slip of lad from Scandinavia, three points should be awarded to the visiting team.

I doubt Mads has been called a slip of a lad since he was 4!

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Dispassionately, it looked a clear penalty to me. I don't think I understand the law enough to know if it was a red.

 

[Vid]

I think Thomas is mixing some of his Viking blood in the players morning porridge. Seasons gone by it would have been heads dropped and well beaten after the sending off. We really must turn our early domination into goals. 0-0 at half time felt we would pay the price second half. I expected more from Whatturd on home turf. They came at us and dominated. Pinnock was left one on one for the penalty. The equaliser was probably the only way we were going to score but it turned the game again straight away. We still attacked with ten players and had the ball in the box but it just wasn't joined up.
Good to see the fast free flowing football in the first half. The slickness is coming back. In many respects it felt like a win , sort of. Is that 12 unbeaten ? That's the consistency we need . Looking at the clubs above us....we are going up as champions.

 

[Nada Bee]

We were magnificent. Very unlucky.

let’s pick up 3pts Saturday and push on

 

[rodders]

A superb performance . I think Pinnock was fouled rather than the other way. Their player was offside and no way a red card.

 

[Gazza Bee]

A superb performance . I think Pinnock was fouled rather than the other way. Their player was offside and no way a red card.

It was a red I'm afraid - if you foul with no attempt to play the ball it is a red card and that is exactly what happened

 

[AB]

Just think, tonight there was a suspended Romanian official at home shouting at his telly “Look- I told you I wasn’t doing anything wrong referring to a player as the black one!”

 

[Mark H]

The law says that if he attempts to play the ball its a yellow.
If he doesn’t it’s a red.
And unfortunately he didn’t.

Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.

Law 12

Not as simple as you describe. Did he deny an obvious scoring chance? IMO it wasn’t obvious as he still had a lot to do. The angle would have been very narrow if he hadn’t been brought down.

 

[Gazza Bee]

Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.

Law 12

Not as simple as you describe. Did he deny an obvious scoring chance? IMO it wasn’t obvious as he still had a lot to do. The angle would have been very narrow if he hadn’t been brought down.

He was 1 on 1 so I dont think it could be a more obvious goalscoring opportunity to be honest. 100% red by the letter of the law - even more so than Mads v QPR

 

[Brentford Bob]

Dispassionately, it looked a clear penalty to me. I don't think I understand the law enough to know if it was a red.

it was a red. Exactly why the Blackburn player got sent off against us, ten days ago.

I’m surprised so few people saw cleverly kicking Jensen off the ball, though.... it was about 18 mins into the first half.