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This is true...all teams lose games, pressure or not we lost today because Stoke set up to not concede, and then managed to take the lead so doubled down on their efforts.

Both us and WBA must be awful to lose these two games and the managers should be fired. Or alternatively...carry on and hope we go up, if not, plan and go again to use a cliche. We had a chance, but anyone who assumed Stoke away was a gimme probably wasn't looking at things right. Both us and WBA have lost pressure games in the last 26 hours. It isn't an outrage.
 

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I would like to see TF rest some for Wednesday possibly Ollie, Said and Bryan for starters and bring in others especially Halil, Emilliano and Shandon. Even then we should have too much for Barnsley and still win. It's then up to WBA f***king up again to Ra Ras. We've got the play offs in the bag and need to refresh out main men in case of that eventuality.
I get what a lot of you are saying but it just seems to me as the games have gone on since lockdown the weight of expectation on some of our younger players had become heavier and heavier and yes they have still performed. Let's not burn them out before the p/offs should that be the case.
 

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First game of the season v Birmingham is where we lost the vital point.

All over them for 89 minutes, apart from the 1 minute when they scored.

Since then we’ve been increasingly brilliant.

If it doesn’t happen on Wednesday, statistically we have to win a play-off some time very soon!
And England might win a penalty shoot out one day.
 

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I would like to see TF rest some for Wednesday possibly Ollie, Said and Bryan for starters and bring in others especially Halil, Emilliano and Shandon. Even then we should have too much for Barnsley and still win. It's then up to WBA f***king up again to Ra Ras. We've got the play offs in the bag and need to refresh out main men in case of that eventuality.
Can you imagine putting out a second sting team, drawing 0.0 and then hearing qpr had got a draw.

TF would be crucified.

No, we have no choice but to put out the strongest team whilst we still have a chance, of QPR are battered male 5 subs.
 

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Can you imagine putting out a second sting team, drawing 0.0 and then hearing qpr had got a draw.

TF would be crucified.
Can you imagine putting out a second string team, drawing 0-0, hearing QPR had beaten WBA and then that Fulham had won.

I'd crucify myself.

Although, thinking about it, that might prove a bit tricky but...well...you know....
 

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I suppose it’s not inconceivable that we could win the playoffs but I’ve got too many scars of past unsuccessful attempts not to mention all the other heartbreak moments of the past few decades to hold out much hope. Our best chance is still to finish second, slim though that chance is I just can’t see us winning through the playoff route . So come on Warburton and QPR somehow get a draw at the Hawthorns and we beat the Tykes , can’t really see it happening but I live in hope !!
 

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Right now, I feel the same like I did against our “now shows” against Crewe and Stoke in the pay off finals of yesteryear. My confidence levels are beyond zero I’m afraid. It’s Brentford. Innit. Always has been and always will be
 

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If Barnsley draw or lose tomorrow, then they are relegated, I wonder whether that affects their team attitude.

Last game of the season v us, their players have nothing left to fight for, looking forward to their end season break, don’t want to risk injury by unnecessary last ditch tackles?

Does that help or hinder us, or perhaps they turn up with no pressure and play smooth attacking football!?
 
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In normal circumstances the attitude of supporters can have an impact on the team's performance if it is transmitted from the crowd. But in this bizarre situation it doesn't matter a jot how positive we are. We all have different coping mechanisms to deal with Bees related disappointment, in most cases finely honed over many years of practice, and that's fine. Many of us find that the best way we can deal with things is not to allow our hopes or expectations to be raised. My attitude is simple - expect the worst and that way disappointment is easier to manage. (Its why I often sit at games mentally adding one goal to the Opposition's score :D ) So, for me and many others the best way to respond to today is to write off in our minds any chance of promotion, either by a fortunate combination of results on Wednesday or in the Play Offs. It won't be for everybody but there is nothing wrong with it.
No there's nothing wrong with your end statement but when i see people like this B42 long, (obviously he has been) spouting such total crass negativity I despair, I didn't sit their at the end of the game and think "Oh well never mind". I was bloody annoyed and depressed, like many others on here I've been watching The Bees for over 40 years through the good times and the bad but I've had more than my fair share in those 40+ years of, "What league are you in", "I didn't realise Brentwood had a football team" and "No I really admire you supporting a team like Brentford". I don't come on this site to join a lot of happy clappers ignoring glaring problems and praising players and officials if they don't deserve it but FFS we have enough negativity and condescending comments to contend with from other clubs supporters and the media in general with out adding to it from our own so called supporters.
 

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The chances are actually still pretty good. Heads up folks. This could still easily finish well and this team is far more talented the virtually all past Brentford teams. Just look at that goal differential at +44

Current promotion odds courtesy of 538

1. West Bromwich Albion - 81% overall with a 29% chance to blow it Wednesday and end up in the playoffs
2. Brentford - 65% chance of promotion and a 29% chance of winning automatic promotion
3. Fulham - 26% chance of promotion via winning the playoffs
4. Cardiff City - 14% chance of promotion via winning the playoffs
5. Forest - 12% chance of promotion via winning the playoffs
6. Swansea - 1% chance of promotion via winning the playoffs

I'll be rooting for my least favorite team (QPR) who put up 4 goals today and shut Leeds out 1-0 earlier in the season. All that is needed is a draw. Brentford is going to win

And even if Brentford ends up in the playoffs, the odds are with them

Playoff Odds to win
1. Brentford - 47%
2. Fulham - 26%
3. Cardiff - 14%
4. Forest - 12%
5. Swansea - 1%

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/championship/
 

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If Barnsley draw or lose tomorrow, then they are relegated, I wonder whether that affects their team attitude.

Last game of the season v us, their players have nothing left to fight for, looking forward to their end season break, don’t want to risk injury by unnecessary last ditch tackles?

Does that help or hinder us, or perhaps they turn up with no pressure and play smooth attacking football!?
On the strength of their game at Elland Road, they will certainly try to play smooth attacking football and their high press will be a real challenge (as Leeds found it). Even if they are relegated, they will want to give their fans hope for the future and finish on as much of a high as possible. They will be closely (and repeatedly) watching the video of today's game. Barnsley's finishing is what did for them against Leeds. They really should have got something out of the game. We need to forget their league position.
 

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On the strength of their game at Elland Road, they will certainly try to play smooth attacking football and their high press will be a real challenge (as Leeds found it). Even if they are relegated, they will want to give their fans hope for the future and finish on as much of a high as possible. They will be closely (and repeatedly) watching the video of today's game. Barnsley's finishing is what did for them against Leeds. They really should have got something out of the game. We need to forget their league position.
And I don’t think it makes any difference whether they have a chance of staying up or not.
 

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If Barnsley draw or lose tomorrow, then they are relegated, I wonder whether that affects their team attitude.

Last game of the season v us, their players have nothing left to fight for, looking forward to their end season break, don’t want to risk injury by unnecessary last ditch tackles?

Does that help or hinder us, or perhaps they turn up with no pressure and play smooth attacking football!?
I think we just assume they "turn up" whether relegated or not. Not relegated: they have plenty to play for. Relegated: they have plenty to play for (future contracts, possible transfers to Championship clubs etc.). We just focus on doing our thing.
 
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This is not usually my style , but still in a position that we will go up if we win all our games. Ability wise we have no problems , we need character , nerve and determination to make it happen.Please Brentford show those qualities and don't let us down again. For those of us who are 60 year plus fans there is not a lot of time left.
 

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Hasn't our mindset since MB took over if you are winning go for the second et c.?

Waving automatic promotion bye bye is saying what we have we hold and I don't think that is our philosophy.
Not giving up on automatic but using the squad. Does anyone think Baptiste, Fosu and Marcondes would weaken us right now? Why flog the 'first eleven' to death for potentially nothing, and damage our PO chances, when we have such great alternative options?
 

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Can you imagine putting out a second string team, drawing 0-0, hearing QPR had beaten WBA and then that Fulham had won.

I'd crucify myself.

Although, thinking about it, that might prove a bit tricky but...well...you know....
Sure, that is one scenario, but an equally and probably more likely scenario is us flogging our 'first eleven' to death for no reason (ie because WBA win) when perfectly decent alternatives are available. POs are most likely now and we need to think about how we maximise our chances.
 

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Mentality is one of this squads strengths. It was missing to an extent, today. Find it again and we have a good chance.
 

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We can't rest players for the playoffs...imagine if we rested players and drew, and WBA also drew so we missed out. We can't do that...
 

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Worse in a way. There was always a feeling at the time that we were building a strong platform for progression and if it wasn't that season it would be the next - just as it turned out to be. But this time I do wonder whether all the stars will ever align again in quite the same way to enable us to reach the top level. That's not a criticism of the club's management or its ambition - both of which have been and no doubt will continue to be, exemplary. It's just a recognition of the fact that for clubs of our size golden opportunities, to reach the top flight are extraordinarily rare. The last 24 hours have been probably the only occasion in the last 70 odd years when we have been really close to achieving it (I'm discounting the 14/15 Play Offs since I think we went in to those with little expectation and just delighted to be there) and with an exhausted and probably mentally shattered squad which has been visibly going backwards over the last 2-3 matches I can't see how we can possibly lift ourselves for the Play Offs.

I'm just annoyed with myself for allowing hope to creep in. 45 years of consistent failure at the final hurdle should have taught me not to do so but I got suckered into believing 'New Brentford' was different. In so many ways it is but it just can't quite shake off the habit of big game failures. At least our new generation of supporters has now been blooded into that disappointment - welcome, you are now fully fledged Brentford fans!

But for all that I'm still immensely proud of what has been achieved this season and the way in which we have achieved it. The fact that we are gutted over (probably) losing out by a fine margin on promotion to the Premier League says everything about just how far we have come. For somebody who first saw Brentford when we were struggling near the bottom of the 4th Division, despite how low I'm feeling right now, really I've got nothing to complain about. At the very worst we start next season in the Championship for the seventh successive year. These are still the best of times.
 

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Look on the bright side, at least Fulham can’t win the last ever match, and score the last ever goal at Griffin park now.
 

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yes we have much to be very proud of and it is not over yet .I also remember struggling in the 4th division and this is so much better. keep the faith. We will get there one day
 

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I've just had to book an appointment at Specsavers. I've zoomed in my computer screen but even at maximum size, it still looks like some people are suggesting we field less than our 100% strongest team against Barnsley. Hopefully it's nothing too serious and I can get away with a relatively cheap pair of specs.
 

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I don’t want to be overly dramatic but today has been tough. I know we can still do it, either on Wednesday or via the play offs, but I genuinely had belief after the WBA result on Friday that we would do it. Having performed so outstandingly for weeks, and being given the gift of ‘only’ needing a win and and draw, it seemed believable that we would take the opportunity!

I’ve been a Bees fan for 30 years and in that time I have experienced many many lows, several failed hopes and a few highs... most of them in recent years. I have trained myself not to ‘dream’ too much and always to be cynical when the horizon looked positive. I let that go today and whilst I was incredibly nervous at kick off, felt that we would get a least a draw and we would be well placed. To see us fail to deliver at the level we have been, albeit against a well drilled Stoke side, was so frustrating and I was beyond gutted at full time... it just felt like having done all the hard yards we buckled when the ultimate goal was right in front of us.

I have stayed off comms and social media as I just didn’t want to get into it and this message is almost a cathartic process to try and move on, but it still feels like such a missed opportunity I am struggling to accept it! I feel like we have given it so much that we may now struggle on Wednesday or in the POs and today was our real chance!

In the coming days I will get to the point of ‘let’s see what happens on Wednesday’, or ‘we are still the best team in the play offs’, or even ‘if we lose Ollie and Said we will have an amazing squad next season’.... but today hurt, really hurt!

COYB! 😐
 
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Like so many others, i know we have a chance on Wednesday, i know we have a chance in the play offs, but right now it just feels like we have nothing.

I think part of the reason it feels so bad is we can't be there to see it, we couldn't all let out the frustration at full time, all you can do is turn the TV over and try and get on with your day.
 

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Some posts suggesting we should rest players on Wednesday.... imagine if we stated with Halil and gadgets Olie a rest, QPR got a point and we couldn’t break down a stubborn Barnsley? We would be the laughing stock..... let’s remember that, while our players are tired, so will the others. Fulham will want to win as still within an outside chance, Forest, Cardiff not entirely confirmed (and both might want to win to avoid finishing 6th and playing the strongest team in the playoffs). All teams will be knackered.
 

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Having a decent sleep and some thoughts about yesterday.

In my eyes when restart began we were 10 (I think) points behind 2nd place.

If someone said to you - you can go into the last game 1pt behind WBA?

I think everyone would of snapped their hand off. An amazing achievement to even be this close to having a chance.

Looking back over the last 8 games, I don’t think we deserved to beat Preston and I don’t think we deserved to lose yesterday - prob a draw in both. So my little football karma book says we should
Be in this position anyway.

We haven’t played overly well in the last 3 games either. Maybe we are running out of steam, but it would be naive to think other teams are not having the same issue with the workload too.

Only Forest have the luxury of nothing to play for now out of all of the teams in 2nd-7th. Everyone will be feeling it.
 

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Like so many others, i know we have a chance on Wednesday, i know we have a chance in the play offs, but right now it just feels like we have nothing.

I think part of the reason it feels so bad is we can't be there to see it, we couldn't all let out the frustration at full time, all you can do is turn the TV over and try and get on with your day.
In 2015 when we reached the date that Marty McFly travelled forwards in time to in back to the future 2 people started looking at how things had changed in that 30 years. I saw a published list of total points accumulated by pro clubs In 30 years from 1985-2015. Brentford sat proudly at around 6-7th in the list behind habitual winners Man Unt, Liverpool and Chelsea.

How could that be, how could a team that had offered nothing but heartache and failure at the last hurdle have won more points than anyone else? The answer is simple, 8 play off defeats means 8 seasons finishing 2nd-6th, throw in 2 league 2 championships, 1 league one championship and one automatic promotion to the championship and you have in total 12 seasons where we have won most of our games.

Why do we go to football? to win games, if you support Brentford then the chances are you will be more likely happy on a Saturday night than sad.

However those awful moments against Reading and Doncaster and the 6 play off and cup final defeats are hard to take, it rips your heart out and it’s hard to see anything other than the same old same old.

Well, I have news for you. New Brentford lost the play off final, new Brentford got promoted the next season, New Brentford didn’t go straight back down again it became one of the most talked about clubs in the country and stayed put kicking the arse of the big boys time and time again. We lost in the play offs to boro, nobody cared because we couldn’t believe we were there.

This season we have been gifted an open goal, a once in a life time opportunity and we blew
it with help from a plucky Stoke and a hapless ref, we feel cheated and it rings so true of the old Brentford and the Brentford innit slogan that has haunted so many over the years. However I would point something out, Sheff Unt have also lost 8 out of 8 play offs, look at them now, Reading have lost 4 finals but have also had their day in the premier league.

Like you I just can’t see it happening on Wednesday and I am dreading the play offs, I am preparing myself for defeat for self preservation, I don’t want to feel like yesterday again for a while thanks.

However the one thing I know for sure, MB is a winner, in business and in football. He is one person who can take this defeat and do something about it as he has proven here in the past and at FCM. If this season ends in misery we will sell a couple of players but next season in the new ground will be special and we will be up there again I sure of it.

However in the meantime the brilliance of this team might just surprise you. A decent ref is all we need to win the pay offs.
 
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A big disappointment yesterday and such a long day afterwards to mull it over, I was glad when the day was over.

But...I feel better today. When the season restarted, we were so far behind Leeds and West Brom, my only thoughts were about getting into the playoffs, which we have achieved as a minimum. Winning 8 on the bounce was an incredible achievement and to still be in with a shout on the final day is great. If it is to be the playoffs, this team are not scarred with the events of past play off tragedies and we are still just 3 games away from the Premier league.

I still love the fact that we have been competing so well in the Championship after a lifetime watching bees in the lower reaches.

New stadium, great set up, new face mask....I'm starting to feel all positive again.
 

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Good post makes me feel a little bit better this morning, and me like all Brentford supporters hope you’re correct in that we win the play offs
 

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During my 60 years of watching the Bees there have been numerous periods of despair and at times the real possibility that we could be relegated to non league football. We have had loads of journeymen playing for us and used to get excited by the very occasional bit of passing football!!

In the recent past we have acquired players with panache and skill and now play football that is perhaps the easiest on the eye in the Championship

Before lockdown we were not guaranteed a play off position and hopes of automatic promotion were just ludicrous, today we are guaranteed a position in the playoffs and, whilst I little unlikely, still have a chance of automatic promotion.

With age comes an acceptance that life does not pan out as hoped, I no longer suffer the upsets that losing at Wembley or the millennium stadium bring, or the Trotta penalty. Having been brought up a Bee I now expect things to go wrong and if it doesn’t then it’s a bonus.

We have players that don’t bear the playoff scars, we have players that are better than most in the division in every position and a coaching team that have shown they can get a fantastic tune out of the players

A defeat was always on the cards with the number of games played in such a short period of time, particularly when you consider how much effort we put into all our games. Yes it was a gutting time for it to happen however it could have been at any stage of our run and it was only magnified because WBA lost.

Come Wednesday night we will know whether the gods have smiled or not, if not then it’s the playoffs for us, something we would all have settled for pre lockdown. There will be some tough teams to play but I bet the coaches and players have far more confidence than some of the supporters here who seem already have written us off.

We may not make it this season but year upon year we are becoming a better team, we may lose players but recent history shows that as one departs their replacement is as good if not better. Perhaps this will be a nearly season but our rise to the top division is within site, maybe this year or next but you can bet your life that it will be achieved

Remain positive and believe, dreams can come true we may be promoted before next weekend if not then it’s about time we put all the bad karma of the playoffs behind us
 

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I don’t want to be overly dramatic but today has been tough. I know we can still do it, either on Wednesday or via the play offs, but I genuinely had belief after the WBA result on Friday that we would do it. Having performed so outstandingly for weeks, and being given the gift of ‘only’ needing a win and and draw, it seemed believable that we would take the opportunity!

I’ve been a Bees fan for 30 years and in that time I have experienced many many lows, several failed hopes and a few highs... most of them in recent years. I have trained myself not to ‘dream’ too much and always to be cynical when the horizon looked positive. I let that go today and whilst I was incredibly nervous at kick off, felt that we would get a least a draw and we would be well placed. To see us fail to deliver at the level we have been, albeit against a well drilled Stoke side, was so frustrating and I was beyond gutted at full time... it just felt like having done all the hard yards we buckled when the ultimate goal was right in front of us.

I have stayed off comms and social media as I just didn’t want to get into it and this message is almost a cathartic process to try and move on, but it still feels like such a missed opportunity I am struggling to accept it! I feel like we have given it so much that we may now struggle on Wednesday or in the POs and today was our real chance!

In the coming days I will get to the point of ‘let’s see what happens on Wednesday’, or ‘we are still the best team in the play offs’, or even ‘if we lose Ollie and Said we will have an amazing squad next season’.... but today hurt, really hurt!

COYB! 😐
This
 

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No there's nothing wrong with your end statement but when i see people like this B42 long, (obviously he has been) spouting such total crass negativity I despair, I didn't sit their at the end of the game and think "Oh well never mind". I was bloody annoyed and depressed, like many others on here I've been watching The Bees for over 40 years through the good times and the bad but I've had more than my fair share in those 40+ years of, "What league are you in", "I didn't realise Brentwood had a football team" and "No I really admire you supporting a team like Brentford". I don't come on this site to join a lot of happy clappers ignoring glaring problems and praising players and officials if they don't deserve it but FFS we have enough negativity and condescending comments to contend with from other clubs supporters and the media in general with out adding to it from our own so called supporters.
:imwith:
 

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In 2015 when we reached the date that Marty McFly travelled forwards in time to in back to the future 2 people started looking at how things had changed in that 30 years. I saw a published list of total points accumulated by pro clubs In 30 years from 1985-2015. Brentford sat proudly at around 6-7th in the list behind habitual winners Man Unt, Liverpool and Chelsea.

How could that be, how could a team that had offered nothing but heartache and failure at the last hurdle have won more points than anyone else? The answer is simple, 8 play off defeats means 8 seasons finishing 2nd-6th, throw in 2 league 2 championships, 1 league one championship and one automatic promotion to the championship and you have in total 12 seasons where we have won most of our games.

Why do we go to football? to win games, if you support Brentford then the chances are you will be more likely happy on a Saturday night than sad.

However those awful moments against Reading and Doncaster and the 6 play off and cup final defeats are hard to take, it rips your heart out and it’s hard to see anything other than the same old same old.

Well, I have news for you. New Brentford lost the play off final, new Brentford got promoted the next season, New Brentford didn’t go straight back down again it became one of the most talked about clubs in the country and stayed put kicking the arse of the big boys time and time again. We lost in the play offs to boro, nobody cared because we couldn’t believe we were there.

This season we have been gifted an open goal, a once in a life time opportunity and we blew
it with help from a plucky Stoke and a hapless ref, we feel cheated and it rings so true of the old Brentford and the Brentford innit slogan that has haunted so many over the years. However I would point something out, Sheff Unt have also lost 8 out of 8 play offs, look at them now, Reading have lost 4 finals but have also had their day in the premier league.

Like you I just can’t see it happening on Wednesday and I am dreading the play offs, I am preparing myself for defeat for self preservation, I don’t want to feel like yesterday again for a while thanks.

However the one thing I know for sure, MB is a winner, in business and in football. He is one person who can take this defeat and do something about it as he has proven here in the past and at FCM. If this season ends in misery we will sell a couple of players but next season in the new ground will be special and we will be up there again I sure of it.

However in the meantime the brilliance of this team might just surprise you. A decent ref is all we need to win the pay offs.
the last sentence is so very very true if we play Bardiff or Notts Forest ,actually need to watch that dirty lump upfront for Fulham too
 

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No problem with squad rotation right now first 11 look shot . play dervisologu , fosu & Valencia and have a bit more energy going forward. surprised we haven’t rotated more with so many games in short space of time but because we kept winning it never changed much. This squad is good enough to change it around for any team in the division . We just need to be At It unlike yesterday and Preston . Have to prepare like we have 4 games remaining regardless what might happen Wednesday.
 

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No there's nothing wrong with your end statement but when i see people like this B42 long, (obviously he has been) spouting such total crass negativity I despair, I didn't sit their at the end of the game and think "Oh well never mind". I was bloody annoyed and depressed, like many others on here I've been watching The Bees for over 40 years through the good times and the bad but I've had more than my fair share in those 40+ years of, "What league are you in", "I didn't realise Brentwood had a football team" and "No I really admire you supporting a team like Brentford". I don't come on this site to join a lot of happy clappers ignoring glaring problems and praising players and officials if they don't deserve it but FFS we have enough negativity and condescending comments to contend with from other clubs supporters and the media in general with out adding to it from our own so called supporters.
You’re not a real supporter is just playground b***ocks and you know it, I was reflecting on how I felt after an extremely disappointing result. Some other fans have commented in a similar but perhaps calmer manner. It means a lot probably too much.

I hope we can do it via the playoffs, but playing Cardiff/ Nottingham Forest will be more of a challenge than Stoke.
 

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The concern I have is that if the players were so badly affected by the pressure and probably also fatigue yesterday, isn't it going to be a similar story in the play-offs. The first four games after lockdown we looked superb, but gradually the zip has gone. Plus Mbeumo is off form and Jensen doesn't convince. Our biggest chance may well still be Wednesday. If QPR manage the first goal against West Brom, then Brom may react as inadequately as we did yesterday. It's a big if though, and the QPR defence does not inspire me with confidence. They need to shackle Pereira; perhaps Cameron could "deal with him". Forest will probably be able to rest players on Wednesday, so I hope we don't end up playing them. PS Plus I'm not sure why players are still training; they need rest more than training I'd have thought.
 

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The concern I have is that if the players were so badly affected by the pressure and probably also fatigue yesterday, isn't it going to be a similar story in the play-offs. The first four games after lockdown we looked superb, but gradually the zip has gone. Plus Mbeumo is off form and Jensen doesn't convince. Our biggest chance may well still be Wednesday. If QPR manage the first goal against West Brom, then Brom may react as inadequately as we did yesterday. It's a big if though, and the QPR defence does not inspire me with confidence. They need to shackle Pereira; perhaps Cameron could "deal with him". Forest will probably be able to rest players on Wednesday, so I hope we don't end up playing them. PS Plus I'm not sure why players are still training; they need rest more than training I'd have thought.
We must still believe
Yes there is an outside chance of QPR winning, some fans are saying the team will be affected by yesterday’s result, so will WBA following Fridays loss
Time for a small change in starting line up. Marcondes for Jenson and Dervisoglu for Mbeumo , those two go onto the bench
 

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One thing i know this club are experts at kicking you in the bolloxs...
 

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The reality is that our chances this morning are exactly the same as they were after the restart. Yesterday morning they were slightly better but now they're the same as they were.

Let's hope yesterday's experience will be a learning curve for the players and leave them better equipped to deal with the pressure of the play offs.
 

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I don't feel that bad at all about things. Part of that is probably not being at the games; part is the very good football in a very good league for years now. We've still got a chance of promotion. If anyone deserves to feel down it is Matthew Benham.
 

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Let's hope yesterday's experience will be a learning curve for the players and leave them better equipped to deal with the pressure of the play offs.
That’s the key for me. We’ve got an incredibly young squad. Yesterday will have been a huge learning experience. If any manager is smart enough to take the lessons from it, it’s Thomas. Far better for it to happen in game 45 than in the play-offs. Whether one more game or four, we’ll be better for it. Onwards and definitely upwards.
 

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Right now, I feel the same like I did against our “now shows” against Crewe and Stoke in the pay off finals of yesteryear. My confidence levels are beyond zero I’m afraid. It’s Brentford. Innit. Always has been and always will be
WHAT. A LOAD. OF OLD BOLLOX. Yes we need your negativity like Custer needed Indians.The club is ^n a much stronger position and we have a much better team. The last thing we need is our players to read the negative sh*t that is posted on here. Frank and his coaching team have to work out how to beat crappy hoofing parking the bus bullying type of sides, and also good sides like Fulham. I have said it before we are the best side in this division , it is now what matters not what happened against Stoke and Crewe. We ARE Brentford not a pony side of years ago.lets have a positivity amongst our fans I. Read all this it’s Brentford innit, move on , we might not need the playoffs, but if we do players and fans lets have the bottle to do this. We certainly have the quality.
 

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I've just had to book an appointment at Specsavers. I've zoomed in my computer screen but even at maximum size, it still looks like some people are suggesting we field less than our 100% strongest team against Barnsley. Hopefully it's nothing too serious and I can get away with a relatively cheap pair of specs.
No problem with squad rotation right now first 11 look shot . play dervisologu , fosu & Valencia and have a bit more energy going forward. surprised we haven’t rotated more with so many games in short space of time but because we kept winning it never changed much. This squad is good enough to change it around for any team in the division . We just need to be At It unlike yesterday and Preston . Have to prepare like we have 4 games remaining regardless what might happen Wednesday.
See? It's happening again! Luckily they can fit me in Tuesday so hopefully the eyes will be fixed in time for the match. :sorted:

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During my 60 years of watching the Bees there have been numerous periods of despair and at times the real possibility that we could be relegated to non league football. We have had loads of journeymen playing for us and used to get excited by the very occasional bit of passing football!!

In the recent past we have acquired players with panache and skill and now play football that is perhaps the easiest on the eye in the Championship

Before lockdown we were not guaranteed a play off position and hopes of automatic promotion were just ludicrous, today we are guaranteed a position in the playoffs and, whilst I little unlikely, still have a chance of automatic promotion.

With age comes an acceptance that life does not pan out as hoped, I no longer suffer the upsets that losing at Wembley or the millennium stadium bring, or the Trotta penalty. Having been brought up a Bee I now expect things to go wrong and if it doesn’t then it’s a bonus.

We have players that don’t bear the playoff scars, we have players that are better than most in the division in every position and a coaching team that have shown they can get a fantastic tune out of the players

A defeat was always on the cards with the number of games played in such a short period of time, particularly when you consider how much effort we put into all our games. Yes it was a gutting time for it to happen however it could have been at any stage of our run and it was only magnified because WBA lost.

Come Wednesday night we will know whether the gods have smiled or not, if not then it’s the playoffs for us, something we would all have settled for pre lockdown. There will be some tough teams to play but I bet the coaches and players have far more confidence than some of the supporters here who seem already have written us off.

We may not make it this season but year upon year we are becoming a better team, we may lose players but recent history shows that as one departs their replacement is as good if not better. Perhaps this will be a nearly season but our rise to the top division is within site, maybe this year or next but you can bet your life that it will be achieved

Remain positive and believe, dreams can come true we may be promoted before next weekend if not then it’s about time we put all the bad karma of the playoffs behind us
Furthermore, and I haven't had time to read the entire GPG from start to finish so forgive me if somebody has already pointed this out, but with the anti-football style Stoke adopted with their 11-0-0 formation (I think it might have even been 12-0-0 at times), I very much doubt even Liverpool would have scored against them yesterday. :shrug:
 

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QPR fans are saying that the sale of Furlong to WBA has a million pound promotion payment to QPR. If true that could be a good enough reason not to turn up.
 

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During my 60 years of watching the Bees there have been numerous periods of despair and at times the real possibility that we could be relegated to non league football. We have had loads of journeymen playing for us and used to get excited by the very occasional bit of passing football!!

In the recent past we have acquired players with panache and skill and now play football that is perhaps the easiest on the eye in the Championship

Before lockdown we were not guaranteed a play off position and hopes of automatic promotion were just ludicrous, today we are guaranteed a position in the playoffs and, whilst I little unlikely, still have a chance of automatic promotion.

With age comes an acceptance that life does not pan out as hoped, I no longer suffer the upsets that losing at Wembley or the millennium stadium bring, or the Trotta penalty. Having been brought up a Bee I now expect things to go wrong and if it doesn’t then it’s a bonus.

We have players that don’t bear the playoff scars, we have players that are better than most in the division in every position and a coaching team that have shown they can get a fantastic tune out of the players

A defeat was always on the cards with the number of games played in such a short period of time, particularly when you consider how much effort we put into all our games. Yes it was a gutting time for it to happen however it could have been at any stage of our run and it was only magnified because WBA lost.

Come Wednesday night we will know whether the gods have smiled or not, if not then it’s the playoffs for us, something we would all have settled for pre lockdown. There will be some tough teams to play but I bet the coaches and players have far more confidence than some of the supporters here who seem already have written us off.

We may not make it this season but year upon year we are becoming a better team, we may lose players but recent history shows that as one departs their replacement is as good if not better. Perhaps this will be a nearly season but our rise to the top division is within site, maybe this year or next but you can bet your life that it will be achieved

Remain positive and believe, dreams can come true we may be promoted before next weekend if not then it’s about time we put all the bad karma of the playoffs behind us
Sorry mr pipe, I have just read your post. Mine was a mirror image of yours but yours was more eloquently put. I get pissed off with defeatists that put us in the grave before battle has commenced. When they feel they have something negative to say they turn up on the GPG. And after yesterday you just do not want to read their drivel. Hope your well? Love reading your posts, keep posting. I now have supported the club for 58 years, and also feel its a matter of time. We are getting closer and closer.
 

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No problem with squad rotation right now first 11 look shot . play dervisologu , fosu & Valencia and have a bit more energy going forward. .
Can you imagine if QPR win on Weds and we hase put the stiffs out. Imagine still that Fulham win and go up.

Go and wash your mouth out with soap.
 
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