Will the Club make a statement? (Derby player allegations)

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Sorry to bring this topic up again but I was listening to BBC Radio 5 Live last night and there was (rightly and understandably) a lot of discussion about the game in Sofia Monday - and the abhorrent racism. During the discussion, Curtis Davies raised the Duane Holmes allegations (thankfully not naming the club involved) going on to say the next time Derby played them the chap was back in the same seat (and no punishment). Maybe I'm flogging a dead horse here but I do think Brentford should issue a statement and Duane and/or Derby County issue an apology and put an end to continued aspersions against our club and one of our fans.
 

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Sorry to bring this topic up again but I was listening to BBC Radio 5 Live last night and there was (rightly and understandably) a lot of discussion about the game in Sofia Monday - and the abhorrent racism. During the discussion, Curtis Davies raised the Duane Holmes allegations (thankfully not naming the club involved) going on to say the next time Derby played them the chap was back in the same seat (and no punishment). Maybe I'm flogging a dead horse here but I do think Brentford should issue a statement and Duane and/or Derby County issue an apology and put an end to continued aspersions against our club and one of our fans.
Fully agree with your post. Unfortunately there appears to be no appetite for this type of storey (especially in the media). My guess is that it would not help the kick racism out of the game initiative where the main focus is right now. However it does not stop the club putting out something to clarify.
 

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Well said mate. I think cases where no evidence supported the allegation say it all. For 5 live to make their own judgement that racism occurred when it simply didn't is in itself a disgrace and provides no support to those cases where racism has genuinely occurred.

I suspect the club feel no benefit in putting itself out there in the current climate, and suspect a case of keeping it's head down, as suspect it doesn't want the matter to raise its head again, rightly or wrongly.
 
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I suspect you're right Doovster and I can understand that line of thought. In the meantime some mud has unfortunately stuck - and continues to be thrown at us (although, as I say, he at least did not name the Club)
 

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Well said mate. I think cases where no evidence supported the allegation say it all. For 5 live to make their own judgement that racism occurred when it simply didn't is in itself a disgrace and provides no support to those cases where racism has genuinely occurred.

I suspect the club feel no benefit in putting itself out there in the current climate, and suspect a case of keeping it's head down, as suspect it doesn't want the matter to raise its head again, rightly or wrongly.
A disproven racism allegation; two players convicted yesterday of drink driving + more (very senior player also involved in same incident); club takes no decisive disciplinary action (Judge all but suggesting that they should have been dismissed for gross misconduct)…. R5 should rather be asking the question, "is Derby County now totally discredited?".

Where is the structure, control and discipline at this club? Seems to have gone feral to me.
 
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A disproven racism allegation; two players convicted yesterday of drink driving + more (very senior player also involved in same incident); club takes no decisive disciplinary action (Judge all but suggesting that they should have been dismissed for gross misconduct)…. R5 should rather be asking the question, "is Derby County now totally discredited?".

Where is the structure, control and discipline at this club? Seems to have gone feral to me.
not to mention ethics, morals, principles, etc.
 

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Would it not be of our interest (us Bees fans, not the club) to highlight that the accused in all of this was found innocent and we can make Derby County aware of what happened?
It will be dragged out every time something happens unfortunately.
We as a club should have a show of strength with our ethnic diversity within our supporters that it seems is ignored by the press (Matthew Sayed excused here).
Just a thought that as a club we can get our house in order.
 

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Sorry to bring this topic up again but I was listening to BBC Radio 5 Live last night and there was (rightly and understandably) a lot of discussion about the game in Sofia Monday - and the abhorrent racism. During the discussion, Curtis Davies raised the Duane Holmes allegations (thankfully not naming the club involved) going on to say the next time Derby played them the chap was back in the same seat (and no punishment). Maybe I'm flogging a dead horse here but I do think Brentford should issue a statement and Duane and/or Derby County issue an apology and put an end to continued aspersions against our club and one of our fans.
Its disgusting , i cannot believe they have done this when there was no case to answer.

You can't just accuse someone of racism then thats it , no right of reply despite several people saying it didn't happen.

Fuming here
 

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Did Curtis Davies also say that a Derby fan was banned from attending football for shouting racist comments at Griffin Park
during a previous match?
 

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Do we have anybody who can phone 5 Live or whatever station and articulate the truth ?
To be honest, not that I have ever called up, but I understand they vet you before allowing you on air. If you ring up saying you're reporting is untrue, it doesn't fit their agenda and you probably won't even get on.
 
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Sorry to bring this topic up again but I was listening to BBC Radio 5 Live last night and there was (rightly and understandably) a lot of discussion about the game in Sofia Monday - and the abhorrent racism. During the discussion, Curtis Davies raised the Duane Holmes allegations (thankfully not naming the club involved) going on to say the next time Derby played them the chap was back in the same seat (and no punishment). Maybe I'm flogging a dead horse here but I do think Brentford should issue a statement and Duane and/or Derby County issue an apology and put an end to continued aspersions against our club and one of our fans.
What punishment is there for innocence? So it's ok for a professional football player to get personal and not face any punishment is it Curtis....

There won't be a statement from BFC on this.
 
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To be honest, not that I have ever called up, but I understand they vet you before allowing you on air. If you ring up saying you're reporting is untrue, it doesn't fit their agenda and you probably won't even get on.
Fair enough , It’s just pissing me off .
 

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What punishment is there for innocence? So it's ok for a professional football player to get personal and not face any punishment is it Curtis....

There won't be a statement from BFC on this1/b].


That’s why the other thread was closed. BFC won’t put out a statement. And you were exonerated from any claim made against you. Case closed.

Opening up another thread just brings it to the fore again and probably affects you more than anyone else.

If you want this one closed, then pm me or another mod.
 

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The problem with any sort of official Club comment on the matter is that is just raises the profile once again. Regardless of what we actually know about him and what those around him at the time actually witnessed, he had not been "found innocent", which would require him to have been prosecuted, and there is nothing official which says "there is no evidence against him" – the statement from the Met is "The CPS have decided the male arrested will face no further action." A lack of prosecution is not evidence of innocence; it is damning with faint praise and it will be interpreted by those that want to make it an issue as 'well, they could not find sufficient witnesses'. It's a no-win situation.

The only possibility is for BFC to discuss privately with DCFC to request Duane Holmes to say that he was mistaken and apologise... and the chances of that happening are close to zero. Again, the media would have a feeding frenzy if he did.

It is a generic problem with the law and reporting.
 

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The problem with any sort of official Club comment on the matter is that is just raises the profile once again. Regardless of what we actually know about him and what those around him at the time actually witnessed, he had not been "found innocent", which would require him to have been prosecuted, and there is nothing official which says "there is no evidence against him" – the statement from the Met is "The CPS have decided the male arrested will face no further action." A lack of prosecution is not evidence of innocence; it is damning with faint praise and it will be interpreted by those that want to make it an issue as 'well, they could not find sufficient witnesses'. It's a no-win situation.

The only possibility is for BFC to discuss privately with DCFC to request Duane Holmes to say that he was mistaken and apologise... and the chances of that happening are close to zero. Again, the media would have a feeding frenzy if he did.

It is a generic problem with the law and reporting.
Spot on, I'm afraid. Unfortunately the risks associated with a making a statement, especially now, outweigh the benefits for the club.
 

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Sorry to bring this topic up again but I was listening to BBC Radio 5 Live last night and there was (rightly and understandably) a lot of discussion about the game in Sofia Monday - and the abhorrent racism. During the discussion, Curtis Davies raised the Duane Holmes allegations (thankfully not naming the club involved) going on to say the next time Derby played them the chap was back in the same seat (and no punishment). Maybe I'm flogging a dead horse here but I do think Brentford should issue a statement and Duane and/or Derby County issue an apology and put an end to continued aspersions against our club and one of our fans.
that is outrageous, why isn't he allowed back in the same seat if nothing was proved. Derby players are called up for their country FFS when it was proved they shat all over the law
 

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that is outrageous, why isn't he allowed back in the same seat if nothing was proved. Derby players are called up for their country FFS when it was proved they shat all over the law
Read it again mate.
Curtis Davis was saying that the person concerned WAS allowed back in his seat.
 
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Read it again mate.
Curtis Davis was saying that the person concerned WAS allowed back in his seat.
Yes, but his inference was that he shouldn't have been. Like most of the world he is probably ignorant that no charges were brought. I think Wibs was making the point that as no charges had been brought he is perfectly entitled to sit there.
 

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That’s why the other thread was closed. BFC won’t put out a statement. And you were exonerated from any claim made against you. Case closed.

Opening up another thread just brings it to the fore again and probably affects you more than anyone else.

If you want this one closed, then pm me or another mod.
If he was exonerated then 5 live and the Derby player have to apologise . BTID should sue them really.
 

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If he was exonerated then 5 live and the Derby player have to apologise . BTID should sue them really.
im not sure an unnamed fan at an unnamed club will get very far!
 

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im not sure an unnamed fan at an unnamed club will get very far!
What are you talking about. He mentioned him being in the same seat and that has been the only complaint against us.

I won't bother calling Poirot just yet
 

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What are you talking about. He mentioned him being in the same seat and that has been the only complaint against us.

I won't bother calling Poirot just yet
Yeah but Id have thought a lawyer would say my client was not named, ad it is unlikely the general public would know what seat he sits in

Im only guessing, Im no legal expert
 

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Yeah but Id have thought a lawyer would say my client was not named, ad it is unlikely the general public would know what seat he sits in

Im only guessing, Im no legal expert
Its outrageous , imagine if someone said you like putting aubergines up your arse whilst wearing a school uniform , obviously b***ock*s ( i hope ! ) but then someones goes on national radio to state it as fact.
 

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Its outrageous , imagine if someone said you like putting aubergines up your arse whilst wearing a school uniform , obviously b***ock*s ( i hope ! ) but then someones goes on national radio to state it as fact.
1) Oh dont worry I do think it is outrageous but you said he should sue and I dont think he would succeed,based on the points I made
2) Hang on is the aubegine/school uniform thing frowned upon? Are carrots OK?
 

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1) Oh dont worry I do think it is outrageous but you said he should sue and I dont think he would succeed,based on the points I made
2) Hang on is the aubegine/school uniform thing frowned upon? Are carrots OK?
As long as its not Jasper.
 

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Well said mate. I think cases where no evidence supported the allegation say it all. For 5 live to make their own judgement that racism occurred when it simply didn't is in itself a disgrace and provides no support to those cases where racism has genuinely occurred.

I suspect the club feel no benefit in putting itself out there in the current climate, and suspect a case of keeping it's head down, as suspect it doesn't want the matter to raise its head again, rightly or wrongly.
Sadly though, the club saw the benefit to immediately condemn the guilty person, who was NOT GUILTY, and continue to shoot themselves with further comments in the same statment.
This contributed to make an innocent persons life absolute hell up until a week ago, and could have ruined his life on many levels.
They owe it to their supporter to say something, and themselves, for how certain people behaved in the name of BFC.
 
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The problem with any sort of official Club comment on the matter is that is just raises the profile once again. Regardless of what we actually know about him and what those around him at the time actually witnessed, he had not been "found innocent", which would require him to have been prosecuted, and there is nothing official which says "there is no evidence against him" – the statement from the Met is "The CPS have decided the male arrested will face no further action." A lack of prosecution is not evidence of innocence; it is damning with faint praise and it will be interpreted by those that want to make it an issue as 'well, they could not find sufficient witnesses'. It's a no-win situation.

The only possibility is for BFC to discuss privately with DCFC to request Duane Holmes to say that he was mistaken and apologise... and the chances of that happening are close to zero. Again, the media would have a feeding frenzy if he did.

It is a generic problem with the law and reporting.
All of thta is true but the police are also going to say all of that when they havnt got the result they wanted.
The allegations made, Cctv will prove or disprove it swiftly but shock, startle, surprise the brand new upgrade in cctv at GP including around the dug outs was unatainable
 

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If this subject keeps being brought up then so will the topic "Brentford" and "Racism" in the wider public yet again. We need to draw a line under this and quickly. It IS flogging a dead horse and those thinking a the club should be making further statements don't realise how reputation management communications work.
 
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