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Injuries are a factor in this. But, whatever the reason, for the first time in a few seasons we really don’t know our best lineup or formation. Ghoddos and Canos look like square pegs, and today we switched between 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2, and some kind of 4-3-1-2. It’s causing disjointed performances. Players look confused on the pitch. Stark contrast to last season.

Teams such as Wycombe might not have the talented footballers we do but they have a settled side within which all players know their jobs.

As for today in particular, our standout players were Raya and Henry. The rest come away with very little credit, and unfortunately Canos probably played himself out of the team. Seriously bad.
 

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The sad thing is that we are seriously off looking like a side that will be in the mix when the league looks wide open.
 

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Grim and grimmer was the phrase that kept entering my head throughout the game for some reason!
 

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We are becoming very boring to watch and I find myself now having the game on but not really watching. We’ve lost our spark and I really can’t see how we will get it back. Lucky January isn’t far away hopefully some pace and strength in the wide positions is incoming.
 

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Poor again - starting with side which was frankly bizarre and didnt work at all. Better side first half with Bryan striking the post after a good save from their keeper. Secind half was dross and cant remember a single save from their keeper.

Just not our fluent selves this season and the loss of Said has affected us massively - none of the 3 replacements have done anything of note and I dont have confidence they will to be honest.
 

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Really not enjoying this season so far. Just not enough creativity; we're too predictable. Need to hope we're still there or thereabouts at the end of this next brutal set of fixtures and bring someone in in January. Canos doesn't look like he's going to play himself into form anytime soon. Ghoddos needs to lose at least a stone. Fosu isn't pulling up any trees. Bryan needs to start believing in himself again. We miss Christian but we need better options in front of him.
 

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At least I am not currently walking up and down hills looking for my car
Last time I went (that 5-3 loss under Coppell, a mere 18 years ago!) I spent 2 hours queuing to drive out of the industrial estate having felt pleased to have got a parking spot so near. So, at least this time I avoided that. Had grounds been open I’d have arranged to have come down to my office on Friday (which is in Wycombe) and gone to the game. One small positive is avoiding all that!
 

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One word that is frustrating me amongst all this, expectation.

There is an expectation that we have the quality to beat teams, but are failing to show it.
There is an expectation that opposition, such as Wycombe, won't be able to cope with us. We are failing to show that and if anything, we are letting opposition in late on or allowing them to grow into the game more.

A few times today that word was mentioned, even as late as the 75th minute, despite the fact we had shown nothing to suggest we should 'expect' to go up a gear and win.

I am sure the lads are tired at the moment, they certainly look it, either that or there is a lack of hunger at the moment, and that would be very worrying.

We need to stop expecting to role teams over and actually work hard and sometimes get gritty. We don't seem to have it in our locker to really battle against teams that draw us into those kinds of battles.
 

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absolute garbage against a team who huffed and puffed very well but had no quality.....what the feck has happened to mbeumo ?? canos offered absolute jackshit and when you have our 2 wide players who just arent at the races its always gonna leave you with problems.....im actually thinking that tf has taken us as far as he can go with the players we have and we might need a new direction......we are boring everyone to death with whats being played out there.......at least pontus was back and was very decent and josh was his usual self.. the one plus point is that we wont go down but i cant see us doing much else with whats on offer,,,,,,we desperately need some creativity in midfield to help jds and we need TWO Fkin new wide players before its too late......if we arent busy in the jan window we are mid table all season at best.......at least my tenner went to a great cause,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,whod pay for that crap otherwise
 

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absolute garbage against a team who huffed and puffed very well but had no quality.....what the feck has happened to mbeumo ?? canos offered absolute jackshit and when you have our 2 wide players who just arent at the races its always gonna leave you with problems.....im actually thinking that tf has taken us as far as he can go with the players we have and we might need a new direction......we are boring everyone to death with whats being played out there.......at least pontus was back and was very decent and josh was his usual self.. the one plus point is that we wont go down but i cant see us doing much else with whats on offer,,,,,,we desperately need some creativity in midfield to help jds and we need TWO Fkin new wide players before its too late......if we arent busy in the jan window we are mid table all season at best.......at least my tenner went to a great cause,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,whod pay for that crap otherwise
Ghoddos right midfield...😳 we need to be able to change formation to adapt to the situation. TF can’t or won’t. Rather than just chucking Forrs on in the 433 we should switch.
 

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It was another mid table performance from what looks like a mid-table team. Fair play to Wycombe, they are tehcnically poor but looked way more hungry and organised than us. They closed space and hustled for 90 mins and, yet again, we had no answer as we never seem to these days. We are missing Said B big time, more than OW. Toney just had no decent service. More worringly, the Brentford brand of football that everyone has been singing our praises about in recent years, has evaporated. We got sucked into hoofball and niggly fouls today, exactly what they shouldn't be doing against a team like WW. Not sure what TF was ranting at the ref about at the end, I thought he had a very decent game. TF needs to look elswhere.
 

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It was another mid table performance from what looks like a mid-table team. Fair play to Wycombe, they are tehcnically poor but looked way more hungry and organised than us. They closed space and hustled for 90 mins and, yet again, we had no answer as we never seem to these days. We are missing Said B big time, more than OW. Toney just had no decent service. More worringly, the Brentford brand of football that everyone has been singing our praises about in recent years, has evaporated. We got sucked into hoofball and niggly fouls today, exactly what they shouldn't be doing against a team like WW. Not sure what TF was ranting at the ref about at the end, I thought he had a very decent game. TF needs to look elswhere.
I think he was narked that Toney was pushed in the chest - and was booked for pushing back. It was mistake by the ref.

Oh yes - and while everyone is rightly complaining about the lack of supply from the wingers and midfielders - why hasn't anyone said that Toney had his worst game since signing for us. Did he have a single shot - was he ever in the right position?
 

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Too many players at 5 out of 10 performance wise, maybe one of those days where you think at least we got a point away from home.

We tried about three different formations and none of them seem to work. Sad to Canos so out of form but coming on from the bench would seem his best place right now.

Janelt must start for now simply to give us the other two midfielders more scope to attack and bring structure to the middle which seemed all over the place at times.
 
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Too many players at 5 out of 10 performance wise, maybe one of those days where you think at least we got a point away from home.

We tried about three different formations and none of them seem to work. Sad to Canos so out of form but coming on from the bench would seem his best place right now.

Janelt must start for now simply to give us the other two midfielders more scope to attack and bring structure to the middle which seemed all over the place at times.
I am just so fed up with watching us try to play without any midfield.
We have the ball a lot but never build any pressure, the ball just keeps on bouncing around between attack and defence.
Thank heavens we have DaSilva, Rico and Henrik else we’d have no pace or thrust. Better hope their form keeps up.
 

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Difficult one for TF, whether to stick or twist. Stick with the tried and trusted formation, with a couple of personnel changes, in the hope that form picks up and the return of CN improves the situation - or try something different?

Given we are still reasonably placed, despite our average/poor form, and 433 has been so firmly drilled into the team's DNA, I think he will stick for the time being, but CN can't come back soon enough, and if things don't improve then some really hard thinking will be needed.
 

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Exactly, dreadful by the ref! Loads of subs - loads of time wasting, their keeper took 30 seconds for a goal kick, and just 4 mins.

Not that it would have mattered we could still be playing now and not have scored.
 

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It feels like we are in a real rut as a team. Circumstance means we have a play off final hangover, lack of pre season, loss of lots of goals, assists and CREATIVITY, tired international players.......but I didn’t expect us to win today, we didn’t look like we knew how to win either and that’s a worry.

Raya - some good saves and handling of crosses. Not sure his quick distribution helps us as much as it used to when you’re firing it out to Canos and Ghoddos rather than Watkins and Benrahma. Normally leads to us being under pressure.

Henrik - improved 2nd half, thought he gave the ball away a lot 1st half.

Rico - solid as ever apart from a brain freeze near the end where our free kick almost ended in a goal conceded.

Pontus / MBS - dealt with most things the 38yr old with no knees could throw at them.

Josh - the only one who runs with the ball, takes someone on and tries to make things happen. Looked frustrated and knackered by the end.

Ghoddos - there was an overweight guy in our midfield. Assume it was him. Passenger.

Jensen - I guess he was the holding player today and was tidy enough on the ball. Still don’t believe he’s playing at more than 60%. We need more from him.

Canos - no pace, no control, no ideas, no composure, no strength. Another passenger.

Bryan - the closest we came to a goal, but the Bryan of 12months ago scores. Looks down on confidence and making poor decisions. Never seems to beat his man anymore. Always looking to get rid of the ball, or takes an extra touch when it’s not needed.

Toney - looked very frustrated by the end. 90 mins of chasing lost causes or people giving him 50/50 balls to compete for. He’s probably thinking where is the free flowing, pass and move, loads of chances created Brentford that the centre forwards of the last 5 seasons have enjoyed.

Subs - Fosu kept falling or slipping over. Forss didn’t touch the ball. Janelt did well I thought.

Overall pretty turgid stuff. Not sure what the game plan is anymore. We’re massively feeling the loss of SB. Goals, assists, creativity and a genuine threat to worry the opposition. Without him we’re a mid table outfit.
 

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Difficult one for TF, whether to stick or twist. Stick with the tried and trusted formation, with a couple of personnel changes, in the hope that form picks up and the return of CN improves the situation - or try something different?

Given we are still reasonably placed, despite our average/poor form, and 433 has been so firmly drilled into the team's DNA, I think he will stick for the time being, but CN can't come back soon enough, and if things don't improve then some really hard thinking will be needed.
He's already twisted where he shouldve stuck.
 

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Shockingly bad. Like a pre season friendly between a couple of poor league two teams. The player who looked the most likely to score is twenty stone, can barely walk, let alone run and still offered more than Canos, Ghoddos or Mbeumo.
I remember our top brass saying something along the lines of a head coach would never be sacked on results, but on performances....
Well, I’m not advocating a sacking but if someone’s not having a word in a large, Danish shell-like this weekend then it’s a worrying situation, IMO.
 

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Too much of the same. We change formation but effectively play the same game. Been our problem for a few years now. NO PLAN B. Also we do not have that player who is giving a spark to the play. Last year we had 3 or 4 who could work some magic. This year we seem to have lost that, for whatever reason. I think this is looking too much like a middle table season.
 

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Not that long ago we could never of thought that we would be where we are. Just hoped having reached Championship we would not be relegated.Now gone beyond expectations and present model needs re thinking. This is not anti TF but cant help thinking that more tactically aware manager could supply the final push,
 

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If we want to get promoted or be there in the playoffs we need to see kill games off and we aren’t, not even close to it. Dropping last minute points the last couple against decent sides - OK but then this performance where it should be a W on the sheet when you see it, is not inspiring me with confidence.

A few chances first half and their GK pulled off two cracking saves from BM....but second half, wow. We were absolutely dreadful.

We need someone to take that RW position off Canos, he’s woeful and how he keeps starting is beyond me. I wouldn’t put Forss out there.

Anyways, beat Barnsley and QPR, we’re back in it. We’re due a couple of good performances 🤣🤣

8-0 v QPR and all is forgiven.
 
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The am not saying that TF needs to have a rethink but it’s really hard when the squad is depleted and so many are off form.
 

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I don’t know why you’re all so emotional - football is, well.. not football really at the moment I find it completely disinteresting. Until crowds are back it’s just going to remain this strange sanitary alternative, more than happy to write off this season and start giving a sh*t again when it means some thing.
 

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The sad thing is that we are seriously off looking like a side that will be in the mix when the league looks wide open.
I agree we don't look great but I don't think the league is wide open - Bournemouth and Norwich have squads way ahead of the rest of the league and even keeping last year's team would have been no guarantee of top two. As it is, we're 5 points off the playoffs and should get better as the season progresses (particularly if we strengthen in January with some of the SB money). I think this season will be massively up and down with lower points totals to go up or reach the playoffs. We need to sort out a settled front three and get Norgaard back but otherwise we're still one of the better sides in the league (today aside).
 

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Our wide attacking players-(canos mbuemo ghoddos fosu) are currently performing at the lowest level we’ve seen since being back in the champ, it’s as simple as that. We create nothing, we’re slow and pedestrian and don’t hold the ball in the final third long enough to allow players to support. We now obviously also don’t have the magic of benrahama, Jota, Judge, Dallas, who could score out of nothing when the team weren’t playing well collectively and it’s showing. We also have no ball carriers (da silva aside) to drag the team up the pitch quickly so everything is slow and predictable
 

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Been our problem for a few years now. NO PLAN B. Last year we had 3 or 4 who could work some magic. This year we seem to have lost that, for whatever reason. I think this is looking too much like a middle table season.
So Waster I feel that your above points are ver valid, and I edited it

Last season’s front players could and would run at the oppositions defence . This year we are missing this , Toney though he has scored goals I don’t think he’s is as mobile as was Watkins. In my mind we have yet to find the best way of using his abilities as he has a good skills for scoring
 
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We need to get back into contention if only because the likes of Raya, Henry, Dasilva and Toney will be looking at higher level opportunities next season and I don’t fancy a total rebuild.
 

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If we want to get promoted or be there in the playoffs we need to see kill games off and we aren’t, not even close to it. Dropping last minute points the last couple against decent sides - OK but then this performance where it should be a W on the sheet when you see it, is not inspiring me with confidence.

A few chances first half and their GK pulled off two cracking saves from BM....but second half, wow. We were absolutely dreadful.

We need someone to take that RW position off Canos, he’s woeful and how he keeps starting is beyond me. I wouldn’t put Forss out there.

Anyways, beat Barnsley and QPR, we’re back in it. We’re due a couple of good performances 🤣🤣

8-0 v QPR and all is forgiven.
Imagine if we lost both those games and then see all the comments on GPG and on social media :idea:
 

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We are becoming very boring to watch and I find myself now having the game on but not really watching. We’ve lost our spark and I really can’t see how we will get it back. Lucky January isn’t far away hopefully some pace and strength in the wide positions is incoming.
Thank god you said that mate. i did not even bother buying it. I find it so painful watching our players giving the ball away time after time. Surely the coaches see it, and surely they work on these type of things in training. I am so tired of Thomas making tiresome excuses, the build up and the football is awful, at last some of our blinkered fans can see how sh*t we have been. Time for some of our players to get their finger out.
 

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We need to get back into contention if only because the likes of Raya, Henry, Dasilva and Toney will be looking at higher level opportunities next season and I don’t fancy a total rebuild.
Exactly. Those 3 didn't all sign improved contracts and we didn't sign an ambitious striker to be satisfied with mid-table mediocrity.
 

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Injuries are a factor in this. But, whatever the reason, for the first time in a few seasons we really don’t know our best lineup or formation. Ghoddos and Canos look like square pegs, and today we switched between 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2, and some kind of 4-3-1-2. It’s causing disjointed performances. Players look confused on the pitch. Stark contrast to last season.

Teams such as Wycombe might not have the talented footballers we do but they have a settled side within which all players know their jobs.

As for today in particular, our standout players were Raya and Henry. The rest come away with very little credit, and unfortunately Canos probably played himself out of the team. Seriously bad.
I would rather support us than WW - organised though they may be.
 

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An okay result but rotten performance, I think that's why. Although they are not quite whipping boys, have a look at the table. They are nailed on to go down.
Also, being away from home doesn't mean what it once did.
 

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