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Too much of the same. We change formation but effectively play the same game. Been our problem for a few years now. NO PLAN B. Also we do not have that player who is giving a spark to the play. Last year we had 3 or 4 who could work some magic. This year we seem to have lost that, for whatever reason. I think this is looking too much like a middle table season.
Can't agree with this. We are playing much differently to last year - feels like a sh*t plan B to me. I'd like to go back to Plan A sharpish
 

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Too much of the same. We change formation but effectively play the same game. Been our problem for a few years now. NO PLAN B. Also we do not have that player who is giving a spark to the play. Last year we had 3 or 4 who could work some magic. This year we seem to have lost that, for whatever reason. I think this is looking too much like a middle table season.
What would an example of PLAN B look like?
 

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Not a great game by any stretch. Thought the line up looked interesting with Ghoddos presumably playing as a 10 behind Toney. Reality was he ended up much further back and never got close to Toney or the wide players. In fact the whole front 4 were so far apart we were never going to get any of our quick one touch stuff going. I think JDS was the only midfielder to get into the box and he basically ended playing on the left wing. We seem to have fallen into being safety first this season for whatever reason. JDS and Jensen sat so deep, they were both picking up the ball from the keeper. Our pressing in packs seems to have gone out of the window. Today we seemed to have totally given up on playing through the middle and exclusively went down the wings. This makes us so predictable and easy to deal with especially when Canos, for all his good running off the ball, didn't seem to know what on earth to do with the ball. Mbeumo looked the most likely to score, being the one player who ever got close enough to Toney to benefit from his knock ons, but it still wasn't quite going his way. JDS gave us some hope but he's now driving forward from so deep he's knackered by the time he gets near the box. Second half we needed to push really high up the pitch but we went the other way. TF panicked and went for the much requested 4-4-2 with Toney and Forss up front and we almost surrendered the game because of it. Nothing was sticking up front and Wycombe were able to easily mop up any threat from the wings and instead put us under increasing pressure. Fosu came on and ably took up where Canos had left off. Frank thankfully had the nouse to ditch the 4-4-2 and brought Janelt on which at least gave us someone else to pick the ball up deep but didn't have the required effect of getting JDS and Jensen forward. Having said that JDS could well have won it at the death but shot just wide. I can't remember a game (apart from boro!) where we got so few touches in the opposition box. Very frustrating and we'll need to play a hell of a lot better to get anything out of Barnsley on Tuesday and even QPR on Friday. Bit of a worry. We need to get a lot more compact and become a lot more of a team. Get that passing going, movement off the ball up front, work off each other, get bodies into the box. Frank looks like he's feeling the pressure a bit and I'm not surprised. It's a bit grim at the moment but at least we're still looking solid at the back despite missing Pinnock today.
 

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Thomas Frank

“Of course we like our wingers to produce more, but I 100% back them.

“Bryan Mbuemo was fairly unlucky today – hitting the post and a great save – and we just need those others to chip in with goals and I’m 100% sure it will come.”

Frank explained the scenes after the final whistle when players had to be separated, and he had words with referee Lee Mason.

“Ivan and a Wycombe player were involved in pushing both ways and we just tried to keep them apart,” he said.

Frank added that he told the referee he felt there should have been more time added on after Wycombe slowed down the match, but said he did not think that was responsible for the result.

He explained: “Everyone wants to see a faster game. It’s not that we don’t want to see different styles and different strategies – that is fine – and there are different ways when you can take your time.

“But especially on goal-kicks, that should be a clock like a chess watch – bang, stop it until the ball is in play.”

Frank had been calling for the introduction of five substitutes in the Championship and got his wish this week, but only used three in this game.

“I will use five subs when I think it’s the right thing,” he said.

“It’s also a little bit about the times on the bench so if we went up 3-0 then 100% I would use all five of them, but it could also be to win the game I’ll use all five subs, but tactically (today) it was not the right thing to put all five on.

“It’s important to know this is the first game out of many games, so when we are building up and more games will come, then I’m pretty sure you will see us use all five subs.”

Frank also confirmed Brentford only had eight subs on the bench instead of nine because Ethan Pinnock suffered a dead leg in training on Friday.
 

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It wasn’t great, we can all agree on that. We are only 7 points from top though, we just need to find our mojo, but quickly, to avoid petering out into a mid table team.
Janelt has to play if Christian doesn’t. He will allow Da Silva and Jensen (or Marcondes) to play further forward and be more offensive. Down the middle up front either Toney or Forss and maybe worthwhile looking at starting Forss in certain games as he will provide a different option to Toney. He will also provide the movement up front to unsettle defenders and be more easily played in from midfield. He may also link up better with Mbeumo. But then how can you leave a striker out like Toney? As regards on the left side of our attack I’m not sure what the solution is at present. Zamburek could well have seen quite a bit of game time if he was still with us. Will have to try Ghoddos there with an instruction to Rico to effectively play like a left winger.
 

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It wasn’t great, we can all agree on that. We are only 7 points from top though, we just need to find our mojo, but quickly, to avoid petering out into a mid table team.
Whilst I agree we are 7 points from the top and this doesn't sound much, those 7 points represent about 40% of all of the points we've accrued with about a quarter of the season gone. Seeing as we are averaging 1.4 points a game I don't see us suddenly making a massive improvement on this while the 11 teams above us all suffer huge drops in their performances.
 

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Platitudes from TF not an excuse for this performance, which was shambolic . Sussed tactically and we could well have lost. Canos not at the races and at the moment Mbeumo slow in pace and thought..
 

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Away and a good point. We have no right to win.
We have no right to win. But we have every right to expect a better performance from our team of highly paid players against those of inferior quality. I doubt anyone at BFC thinks that was a 'good point.' Sides aiming for top 6 don't see a bore draw against relegation fodder as much good, unless they've been totally outplayed imo.
 

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Can't agree with this. We are playing much differently to last year - feels like a sh*t plan B to me. I'd like to go back to Plan A sharpish
Second time you have suggested something like this - would you care to expand?
 

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Away and a good point. We have no right to win.
You think we played well or showed any glimpse of decent form? That was dreadful.

We have no right to win, but we have a right to see half decent performances. I dont buy the "tired" chat. The majority have just had the international break off. If we played a team who had a game plan to have a go at us from the start and not Wycombe we would have lost that. Wycombe started playing quicker on the break in the last 20min and IMO deserved to nick the win.

We are a shadow of the team we can be. We are carrying 3-4 players who are contributing nothing. It may be that the brilliance of Benrahma and Watkins has masked the overall ability of our team especially when you take Nørgaard out of the middle. CN is class but hes not the only reason we are playing so **** and we shouldnt pin our hopes on his return pulling us back into form.

TF needs to wake up and not blame the lack of time added on for our performance. We werent going to score in a month of Sundays.

IT and MF were in their defenders pockets.
 

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We seem to have fallen into being safety first this season for whatever reason. We need to get a lot more compact and become a lot more of a team. Get that passing going, movement off the ball up front, work off each other, get bodies into the box.
So you think we have changed our style of play significantly from last year as well. Have we or is it that we have lost three players who were excellent at playing that way (if you include CN), with another couple low on form. I think we are still *trying* to play the same way, but just aren't as good right now.
 

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In one of the last conversations I had with my Brother following Fulham, Reading,Charlton and Derby, I said that some of the football we were playing was sublime. We are miles from that standard now
 

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Good solid result away from home. Not sure why people are so unhappy.
I am not one of the people calling for the managers head or throwing my toys out saying our players aren’t good enough, but any sane Brentford fan would agree that was absolutely shocking today and up there with any of the worst performances since we got promoted.

Their CF was dumped after the league 2 play off final 4-5 years ago because he wasn’t good enough for league one, our team cost us in the region of 50 plus million quid to put together. They were better than us for the second half.

You really do live in the past, I know your ranting about players being in contract so can’t leave and leaving GP has ruined the club etc, but if you think today’s performance was good then you really are so out of touch with reality when it comes to Brentford nowadays no wonder you are out of love with the club.
 

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I am not one of the people calling for the managers head or throwing my toys out saying our players aren’t good enough, but any sane Brentford fan would agree that was absolutely shocking today and up there with any of the worst performances since we got promoted.

Their CF was dumped after the league 2 play off final 4-5 years ago because he wasn’t good enough for league one, our team cost us in the region of 50 plus million quid to put together. They were better than us for the second half.

You really do live in the past, I know your ranting about players being in contract so can’t leave and leaving GP has ruined the club etc, but if you think today’s performance was good then you really are so out of touch with reality when it comes to Brentford nowadays no wonder you are out of love with the club.
What are you ranting about. So much tosh in that. We drew away from home. What are you on about. Its footy. A game we could have lost,we didn't. Be happy.
 

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What are you ranting about. So much tosh in that. We drew away from home. What are you on about. Its footy. A game we could have lost,we didn't. Be happy.
But being away makes little difference this season, unless you're playing on an absolute bog heap. There's no home support, so next to no advantage. I don't understand how any BFC fan can be satisfied with today's performance.
 

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But being away makes little difference this season, unless you're playing on an absolute bog heap. There's no home support, so next to no advantage. I don't understand how any BFC fan can be satisfied with today's performance.
I am disappointed we didn't win or for those watching it wasnt Wealdstone v Sutton but with the team we have,injuries etc it was a game we could have lost. We didn't.
 

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Thing that troubles me is if we are to stick to 433 as seems probable the only changes available seem to be Janelt (who I have not seen have a bad
game yet) until CN is fit, other than that we do not seem to have replacements that are good enough to replace any of the others so are pretty much
left with those who played today, and relying on Canos,Ghoddos,Mbeumo to hit some better form.
 

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You think we played well or showed any glimpse of decent form? That was dreadful.

We have no right to win, but we have a right to see half decent performances. I dont buy the "tired" chat. The majority have just had the international break off. If we played a team who had a game plan to have a go at us from the start and not Wycombe we would have lost that. Wycombe started playing quicker on the break in the last 20min and IMO deserved to nick the win.

We are a shadow of the team we can be. We are carrying 3-4 players who are contributing nothing. It may be that the brilliance of Benrahma and Watkins has masked the overall ability of our team especially when you take Nørgaard out of the middle. CN is class but hes not the only reason we are playing so **** and we shouldnt pin our hopes on his return pulling us back into form.

TF needs to wake up and not blame the lack of time added on for our performance. We werent going to score in a month of Sundays.

IT and MF were in their defenders pockets.
Well articulated. We will get a result on Tuesday
 

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I know we’ve been spoiled in recent times, but is so sad to see that we have regressed this season.
Makes the wasted opportunities at Wembley, and against Stoke and Barnsley even harder to bear.
Sadly the desperate run for the top 2 and those last 3-4 performances have set the tone of this season.
Well articulated. We will get a result on Tuesday
Thanks.
 

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It’s six years ago almost to the minute since Jota’s last minute winner against Fulham, for me the game where it really felt like we could compete at this level. We’ve had an incredible run since then and this is one of the few times since the Dijkhuisen phase in which it feels like we’ve regressed and we’re lamenting the players that aren’t there rather than celebrating replacing with better.

Today was a very poor performance, most worrying for the lack of ideas and tactical mess. The insane number of games over the summer, lack of break, impact of the play off defeat and brutal schedule now all play a part in that. Unfortunately we’re just going to have to grind through the next few months as there’s no-one else coming in, it looks like Baptiste and Norgaard are out for some time and the failure of recruitment in wide areas can’t be fixed short term. The squad is looking very thin at the moment.
 

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I thought we were lucky to get a point !
We have a squad of highly talented players but can't seem to pass and move anymore, I can only think this is due to a lack of confidence or belief which comes from the coaching staff. I'm not saying sack the manager but come on we should be better than this. Just a little bit more composure and we would have won this.
 

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One of the commentators today said...5 subs are now permitted but only on 3 occasions? Have I missed something?
Whenever 5 subs have been permitted (i.e. both now and during the summer resumption of last season) they can only take place on a maximum 3 occasions whilst the match is in progress, plus Half Time (so 4 in all). Therefore, on some occasions more than 1 substitution has to be made by the same team at same time if all 5 subs are to appear
 
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I know we’ve been spoiled in recent times, but is so sad to see that we have regressed this season.
Makes the wasted opportunities at Wembley, and against Stoke and Barnsley even harder to bear.
I just wonder whether the realities of the end of last season are beginning to hit home now and players are thinking we really should be playing in the premier league and "We f****d it up big time"
 

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I don’t know why you’re all so emotional - football is, well.. not football really at the moment I find it completely disinteresting. Until crowds are back it’s just going to remain this strange sanitary alternative, more than happy to write off this season and start giving a sh*t again when it means some thing.
Agree. Brentford was absolutely everything before covid struck. Now, it just doesn't seem to matter anymore.
 

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Isn't it obvious we're playing differently to last year?
We're not playing as well, certainly. And, sure, we have adjusted, particularly because Toney is a different player from Watkins, but not sure the change is fundamental. We are still playing out from the back on most occasions; we are still trying to move it quickly; we have tried to press hard for a lot of the games; and we are still playing 433. We are just not doing any of these things as well, and we are a bit more direct and crossing a bit earlier.
 

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Sad and disappointing sums it up. Honestly, I don’t think anyone associated with the club- management, players, supporters, etc, can be pleased with how things have gone so far. Mediocre so far.
Our midfield is non-existent. Drastically need improvement in this area.
 

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I just wonder whether the realities of the end of last season are beginning to hit home now and players are thinking we really should be playing in the premier league and "We f****d it up big time"
...well....i'd guess pontus often ponders this....i'd suggest the other protagonists...namely messrs benrahma and watkins...really dont ponder this at all.
 

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It’s six years ago almost to the minute since Jota’s last minute winner against Fulham, for me the game where it really felt like we could compete at this level. We’ve had an incredible run since then and this is one of the few times since the Dijkhuisen phase in which it feels like we’ve regressed and we’re lamenting the players that aren’t there rather than celebrating replacing with better.

Today was a very poor performance, most worrying for the lack of ideas and tactical mess. The insane number of games over the summer, lack of break, impact of the play off defeat and brutal schedule now all play a part in that. Unfortunately we’re just going to have to grind through the next few months as there’s no-one else coming in, it looks like Baptiste and Norgaard are out for some time and the failure of recruitment in wide areas can’t be fixed short term. The squad is looking very thin at the moment.
That first par is a massive overreaction.

The players are knackered and have had just two training sessions plus flights etc from international games to get ready for this game.

The games programme and two weeks (yes, two weeks) summer break is as you write, all playing a part.

Despite this we’ve only lost three games in 16 this season. People need to chill out.
 

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What are you ranting about. So much tosh in that. We drew away from home. What are you on about. Its footy. A game we could have lost,we didn't. Be happy.
You make people rant with you’re ridiculous trolling. I shouldn’t rise to it I know.

I assume from your other post that you didn’t watch it today. You carry on dreaming about a great point, I will feel disappointed about one of the most disjointed, uninspiring and messy performances we have seen for some time against a team with no flare, no pace, no skill, no decent players and are cast iron certs to go straight down.

Brentford have become one of the most innovative, envied and exciting football clubs in the world amd for bloody good reason. Today was a billion miles below the standards we ha e set and you do yourself no credit to constantly ignore what this fantastic club had become,

I will now sign off and look forward to the next game.
 

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It is Brentford of old if we can draw any positives from the start of this season the in the league. Our most memorable performances have been confined to League Cup. The new Brentford should not be satisfied with mediocrity and scrappy draws.
 

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We went from being “ok” to changing to 442 and then going to pot. Doesn’t look the team had any clue on how to play with that formation.

I don’t understand for the life of me why Canos and Bryan didn’t switch wings immediately for the change of formation. You can’t have inside forwards with a 442 IMO.

we didn’t play too badly until the 60th minute or so.

Canos had a couple of moments but was dreadful again. Ghoddos... I’ve now given him the dozen games or so and he looks like a man who hasn’t got any confidence at all

tactically, we should of stayed 433. Ghoddos in the midfield didn’t work at all. We bought Janalt for CDM cover so why isn’t he starting when Christian is injured? Don’t get it.

Rest of the team was meh.

we ain’t playing well.

:(
 

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