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Wissa is the sprinkle of stardust in our team and there is more to come.

I don't think there is anyone else in the team today that could have scored a goal like that - the first touch and the curled finish with such composure.

I was trying to find similar words, this is spot on. Wissa has that bit of extra magic which means he can bring out a moment of brilliance like today.
 

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I think it's a fair point to say he is still a diamond in the rough when it comes to overall play, but it's hard to resist the temptation of letting him play himself into form considering the huge potential he has to deliver in big moments. Only player in the league I am currently more excited about when it comes to a combination of pace, touch, finishing ability and movement is Arsenal's Martinelli.
Yeah, great effort yesterday in the lead-up to Gabriel's sending off. ;-)

For the moment, for me, Wissa remains a supersub with that priceless asset of the ability to walk on, finish off the winner, walk off and smoke a cigar.
 

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No, we really missed Bryan's movement up front for most of the game. We were so static. We need to find a way to get all three on but with the state of our midfield options that's not going to happen soon..
it's quite useful to have someone who can find the back of the net and not just the woodwork. I like Bryan, just think he's way off form atm. All well and good having pace but with no end product it's not much use. I don't want to see Bryan go, just fail to see how you can not start Wissa now knowing he can produce sheer quality like he did today.
 

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Without being funny, I don’t think any out of Toney, Bryan or Wissa should be benched over the other. At the moment, not that I believe this because it sounds and is utterly ridiculous, Ivan isn’t necessarily contributing as much as the other two. Wissa has done more than enough to start. Top scorer no?
 
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Great goal by Yoane Wissa. I'm sure it wasn't played at half time but Congo Man by Mighty Sparrow might have been a nice touch.

Some of our creative singer/songwriters here may be able to rewrite this as a suitable terrace song for him.
 

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He's short on match fitness. It's plain to see. It's also clear IMO that he's our best finisher. What a goal.
Clearly has a bit of brilliance about him, evident from what we've seen so far. I definitely think he isn't up to our match and fitness standards just yet and that will come. His off the ball pressing needs working on and work rate.
We do have some player there though. If we can fully harness it.
 

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Bloke behind me today, Wissa’s done nothing, Wissa’s done nothing, oops great strike, but he’s done nothing else!
Probably half the ground, as above I stated showing some brilliance, but clearly not up to speed match fitness wise or able to press off the ball as much as Frank will wish for right now but clearly a very good player if we can harness it.

Lets not make it he was amazing all game. But 100% there is a player there that has huge potential to be very very good and a game changer when up to full speed.
 

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I doubt anyone has scored a higher quality first five goals for the club. They’ve all been technically brilliant.
He’s got 6 now, no?

Vitaly scored 4 bangers last year but then followed it up with a scruffy header against Liverpool.
 

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No, we really missed Bryan's movement up front for most of the game. We were so static. We need to find a way to get all three on but with the state of our midfield options that's not going to happen soon..
Toney was out of it yesterday. I don’t know whether he’s a bit off the pace due to covid, but he definitely has a good understanding with Mbeumo. I agree, I think, with you, that the pack will eventually need a good shuffle.
 

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Toney was out of it yesterday. I don’t know whether he’s a bit off the pace due to covid, but he definitely has a good understanding with Mbeumo. I agree, I think, with you, that the pack will eventually need a good shuffle.

Villa had 2, sometimes 3 players on Toney all game. They were obsessed with him.
 
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Wissa is the sprinkle of stardust in our team and there is more to come.

I don't think there is anyone else in the team today that could have scored a goal like that - the first touch and the curled finish with such composure.
I think Bryan (and JDS) could have scored exactly that sort of goal. But do agree that the first touch was immense.
 

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Without being funny, I don’t think any out of Toney, Bryan or Wissa should be benched over the other. At the moment, not that I believe this because it sounds and is utterly ridiculous, Ivan isn’t necessarily contributing as much as the other two. Wissa has done more than enough to start. Top scorer no?
I agree with you, and it presents a problem as I don’t believe we can play with all 3 up front in the Premier League.
Ivan currently does a lot of his work dropping deeper, SO why not give him a game or two as our attacking midfielder

He would still be taking our penalties, be in the box for corners & free kicks as normal but might find winning aerial battles easier against opposing midfielders
 

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No, we really missed Bryan's movement up front for most of the game. We were so static. We need to find a way to get all three on but with the state of our midfield options that's not going to happen soon..
I was wondering whether we could play with both up front and Toney as false 9. Ivan plays very deep now and maybe if we can’t sustain a formation with three up top we just sacrifice the third midfielder for him. It’d mean CN/VJ (or Jensen) would be closer to him for the knockdowns he wins when beasting things in the middle and after they’ve done so he can bomb forward knowing the ball is with someone who can get it to him or spread. I’m more concerned seeing Ivan playing too wide than deep in central areas.
 

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I agree with you, and it presents a problem as I don’t believe we can play with all 3 up front in the Premier League.
Ivan currently does a lot of his work dropping deeper, SO why not give him a game or two as our attacking midfielder

He would still be taking our penalties, be in the box for corners & free kicks as normal but might find winning aerial battles easier against opposing midfielders
God no. He’s not got the pace for AM. In fact simple play isn’t his game either. Get him to battle for the ball and link up tough 50-50 balls into his chest and head and there’s no one better.
 

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I agree with you, and it presents a problem as I don’t believe we can play with all 3 up front in the Premier League.
Ivan currently does a lot of his work dropping deeper, SO why not give him a game or two as our attacking midfielder

He would still be taking our penalties, be in the box for corners & free kicks as normal but might find winning aerial battles easier against opposing midfielders
I Agree with you too. As much as a front three sounds do enticing, it’s too much of a drastic move away from our current system so I don’t think TF would ever adopt it.

A CAM position might actually mean he makes late runs into the box. There’s no doubt he’s being man marked by a number of opposition players every game. That would change it. Especially if he can make late runs in. You’re right about pens and his aerial battles.

If Bryan or Wissa had his natural ball skills I wouldn’t be opposed to one up top. But I think if Ivan was CAM you might still need two up to, that’s the trouble. Might be wrong there.

Seen a few posts saying Wissa is a super sub who can transform games. Don’t think he’ll be happy with that considering his giants contribution. He’ll be expecting a starting place now I think. At the same time I really don’t see TF starting a game with without Ivan or Bryan.
 

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God no. He’s not got the pace for AM. In fact simple play isn’t his game either. Get him to battle for the ball and link up tough 50-50 balls into his chest and head and there’s no one better.
I don’t think anyone would disagree on his link up play. It is second to none. But at the same time his influence in game has been effectively nullified by the opposition in recent games. Therefore whether it’s positional or a a system change, something might need to be tweaked. In fact he drops so deep, A CAM or false 9 might suit
 

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I don’t think anyone would disagree on his link up play. It is second to none. But at the same time his influence in game has been effectively nullified by the opposition in recent games. Therefore whether it’s positional or a a system change, something might need to be tweaked. In fact he drops so deep, A CAM or false 9 might suit
He’s a striker who needs to stay higher up the pitch. We need to get runners around him again.
 

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Again, I don’t think anyone would disagree. But how do you rectify that. He does lack pace that is true. And yes he needs To Be up there, but he isn’t. That’s the issue
Agree. IMO it’s the “low block” that’s IMO too low especially against sides like Villa.
 

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Does he? This season it's been IT + others creating the chances for Bryan, who has missed virtually all of them.
But we know that when Bryan has his eye in he’s lethal. It’s a steep learning curve and hitting the woodwork 7 times shows he’s agonisingly close and doing everything but hit the net. As with Kane (who Bryan is still outscoring I think), it just makes sense to keep the faith.
 

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I agree with you, and it presents a problem as I don’t believe we can play with all 3 up front in the Premier League.
Ivan currently does a lot of his work dropping deeper, SO why not give him a game or two as our attacking midfielder

He would still be taking our penalties, be in the box for corners & free kicks as normal but might find winning aerial battles easier against opposing midfielders
Agree with this. I did suggest it once, but was jumped on - although I can't remember what the arguments were against. I think it might work .
 

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Great goal by Yoane Wissa. I'm sure it wasn't played at half time but Congo Man by Mighty Sparrow might have been a nice touch.

Some of our creative singer/songwriters here may be able to rewrite this as a suitable terrace song for him.
Great shout, but don't see why we need to change the lyrics!
 

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Great goal by Yoane Wissa. I'm sure it wasn't played at half time but Congo Man by Mighty Sparrow might have been a nice touch.

Some of our creative singer/songwriters here may be able to rewrite this as a suitable terrace song for him.
As I'm of Trini descent I love kaiso and I've been trying to the powers that bee to play Kitchener's Bees Melody for years. I really can't see them picking up on a tune by Birdie. Also, I'm not sure that the last line of the chorus applies looking at Wissa's wife. ;)
 

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Mbeumo has to play if he's fit. While he is missing a fair amount of chances, he's consistently getting into those positions in the first place which is so important. If his execution improved he'd be a serious player at this level. Toney brings so much to our play, but our new approach has him dropping very deep and isn't getting in the box often at all. I would feel a bit hard done by if I were him, but there is no question that it is allowing the team to thrive.

Wissa, still does and always needed a fairly long period of adaptation. But you can see there is a special player there. I don't think the answer currently is to play him week in week out, but he probably should expect that for next season! He needs to have a better understanding with Toney though, he doesn't have that same level as Toney/Mbeumo so both are fairly isolated figures up front.
 

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Probably half the ground, as above I stated showing some brilliance, but clearly not up to speed match fitness wise or able to press off the ball as much as Frank will wish for right now but clearly a very good player if we can harness it.

Lets not make it he was amazing all game. But 100% there is a player there that has huge potential to be very very good and a game changer when up to full speed.
The other thing that I would have loved to have seen a little more is him pulling out wide. Often one of our WBs had the ball in a wide position and it would have taken an outrageous ball to hit either Toney or Wissa who were both very central. Mbeumo tends to drift across the frontline which provided more options.
 

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We've seen that he can be deadly... but oof, he's got a loooooong way to go to be an all-round player. Some horrendous touches today.
 

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Thought he has an awful game.
 
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