whyteleafebee76
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I was trying to find similar words, this is spot on. Wissa has that bit of extra magic which means he can bring out a moment of brilliance like today.
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I was trying to find similar words, this is spot on. Wissa has that bit of extra magic which means he can bring out a moment of brilliance like today.
Lionel Bart-At
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Yeah, great effort yesterday in the lead-up to Gabriel's sending off. ;-)
For the moment, for me, Wissa remains a supersub with that priceless asset of the ability to walk on, finish off the winner, walk off and smoke a cigar.
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I have agree I think with game time he will be mustard wisssssaaaa
beebopalula
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He's short on match fitness. It's plain to see. It's also clear IMO that he's our best finisher. What a goal.
As others have said, I look forward to the right fixture for Wissa Toney Mbeumo
Old B
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Bloke behind me today, Wissa’s done nothing, Wissa’s done nothing, oops great strike, but he’s done nothing else!
Wissa starts surely - it's Bryan who should be feeling the pressure.
Mr Cynical
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No, we really missed Bryan's movement up front for most of the game. We were so static. We need to find a way to get all three on but with the state of our midfield options that's not going to happen soon..
it's quite useful to have someone who can find the back of the net and not just the woodwork. I like Bryan, just think he's way off form atm. All well and good having pace but with no end product it's not much use. I don't want to see Bryan go, just fail to see how you can not start Wissa now knowing he can produce sheer quality like he did today.
BuzzingBee95
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Without being funny, I don’t think any out of Toney, Bryan or Wissa should be benched over the other. At the moment, not that I believe this because it sounds and is utterly ridiculous, Ivan isn’t necessarily contributing as much as the other two. Wissa has done more than enough to start. Top scorer no?
SydneySwansBee
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Great goal by Yoane Wissa. I'm sure it wasn't played at half time but Congo Man by Mighty Sparrow might have been a nice touch.
Some of our creative singer/songwriters here may be able to rewrite this as a suitable terrace song for him.
Some of our creative singer/songwriters here may be able to rewrite this as a suitable terrace song for him.
That could have been me!
LingfieldBee
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Clearly has a bit of brilliance about him, evident from what we've seen so far. I definitely think he isn't up to our match and fitness standards just yet and that will come. His off the ball pressing needs working on and work rate.
We do have some player there though. If we can fully harness it.
LingfieldBee
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Probably half the ground, as above I stated showing some brilliance, but clearly not up to speed match fitness wise or able to press off the ball as much as Frank will wish for right now but clearly a very good player if we can harness it.
Lets not make it he was amazing all game. But 100% there is a player there that has huge potential to be very very good and a game changer when up to full speed.
Sting in the Tail
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I doubt anyone has scored a higher quality first five goals for the club. They’ve all been technically brilliant.
He’s got 6 now, no?
Vitaly scored 4 bangers last year but then followed it up with a scruffy header against Liverpool.
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He looked absolutely shot near the end, but we had used all our subs.
Toney was out of it yesterday. I don’t know whether he’s a bit off the pace due to covid, but he definitely has a good understanding with Mbeumo. I agree, I think, with you, that the pack will eventually need a good shuffle.
taxi driver
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Are there any clips of the 30 odd passes and the goal that somebody could point me in the direction of please 
Idaho Bee
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Villa had 2, sometimes 3 players on Toney all game. They were obsessed with him.
wibs
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Whatever happens for the rest of his career he can always say he scored Brentfords first ever PL goal from outside the box.
Raise The Roof
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I think Bryan (and JDS) could have scored exactly that sort of goal. But do agree that the first touch was immense.
No, the media think it was just 3 quick passes down the right wing. If it was City though..Are there any clips of the 30 odd passes and the goal that somebody could point me in the direction of please
HaylingBee74
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I agree with you, and it presents a problem as I don’t believe we can play with all 3 up front in the Premier League.
Ivan currently does a lot of his work dropping deeper, SO why not give him a game or two as our attacking midfielder
He would still be taking our penalties, be in the box for corners & free kicks as normal but might find winning aerial battles easier against opposing midfielders
Agree. Bryan has shown he can do this and I'm confident he will again.
AB
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I was wondering whether we could play with both up front and Toney as false 9. Ivan plays very deep now and maybe if we can’t sustain a formation with three up top we just sacrifice the third midfielder for him. It’d mean CN/VJ (or Jensen) would be closer to him for the knockdowns he wins when beasting things in the middle and after they’ve done so he can bomb forward knowing the ball is with someone who can get it to him or spread. I’m more concerned seeing Ivan playing too wide than deep in central areas.
Isleworth_Bee
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God no. He’s not got the pace for AM. In fact simple play isn’t his game either. Get him to battle for the ball and link up tough 50-50 balls into his chest and head and there’s no one better.
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Has to start ahead of Bryan now. Proved himself to be a much better finisher and goal threat. Bryan's finishing is terrible unfortunately.
BuzzingBee95
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I Agree with you too. As much as a front three sounds do enticing, it’s too much of a drastic move away from our current system so I don’t think TF would ever adopt it.
A CAM position might actually mean he makes late runs into the box. There’s no doubt he’s being man marked by a number of opposition players every game. That would change it. Especially if he can make late runs in. You’re right about pens and his aerial battles.
If Bryan or Wissa had his natural ball skills I wouldn’t be opposed to one up top. But I think if Ivan was CAM you might still need two up to, that’s the trouble. Might be wrong there.
Seen a few posts saying Wissa is a super sub who can transform games. Don’t think he’ll be happy with that considering his giants contribution. He’ll be expecting a starting place now I think. At the same time I really don’t see TF starting a game with without Ivan or Bryan.
HaylingBee74
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But Bryan creates multiple chances per game when he is in top form
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Does he? This season it's been IT + others creating the chances for Bryan, who has missed virtually all of them.
BuzzingBee95
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I don’t think anyone would disagree on his link up play. It is second to none. But at the same time his influence in game has been effectively nullified by the opposition in recent games. Therefore whether it’s positional or a a system change, something might need to be tweaked. In fact he drops so deep, A CAM or false 9 might suit
Isleworth_Bee
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He’s a striker who needs to stay higher up the pitch. We need to get runners around him again.
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or revert to wingers ?
BuzzingBee95
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Again, I don’t think anyone would disagree. But how do you rectify that. He does lack pace that is true. And yes he needs To Be up there, but he isn’t. That’s the issue
Isleworth_Bee
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Agree. IMO it’s the “low block” that’s IMO too low especially against sides like Villa.
AB
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But we know that when Bryan has his eye in he’s lethal. It’s a steep learning curve and hitting the woodwork 7 times shows he’s agonisingly close and doing everything but hit the net. As with Kane (who Bryan is still outscoring I think), it just makes sense to keep the faith.
Mr Cynical
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Yes, his movement off the ball and pace, pressing etc have created a load of chances both for him and others. Wissa currently doesn't play off Toney at all.
On the way home I heard Gerrard on 5live describe it as a ‘breakaway goal'
larrysigny
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Agree with this. I did suggest it once, but was jumped on - although I can't remember what the arguments were against. I think it might work .
Stormy the Spook
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Great shout, but don't see why we need to change the lyrics!
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OhBeehave
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As I'm of Trini descent I love kaiso and I've been trying to the powers that bee to play Kitchener's Bees Melody for years. I really can't see them picking up on a tune by Birdie. Also, I'm not sure that the last line of the chorus applies looking at Wissa's wife.
andyrew
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Stalkers?
Invipai
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Mbeumo has to play if he's fit. While he is missing a fair amount of chances, he's consistently getting into those positions in the first place which is so important. If his execution improved he'd be a serious player at this level. Toney brings so much to our play, but our new approach has him dropping very deep and isn't getting in the box often at all. I would feel a bit hard done by if I were him, but there is no question that it is allowing the team to thrive.
Wissa, still does and always needed a fairly long period of adaptation. But you can see there is a special player there. I don't think the answer currently is to play him week in week out, but he probably should expect that for next season! He needs to have a better understanding with Toney though, he doesn't have that same level as Toney/Mbeumo so both are fairly isolated figures up front.
Wissa, still does and always needed a fairly long period of adaptation. But you can see there is a special player there. I don't think the answer currently is to play him week in week out, but he probably should expect that for next season! He needs to have a better understanding with Toney though, he doesn't have that same level as Toney/Mbeumo so both are fairly isolated figures up front.
The other thing that I would have loved to have seen a little more is him pulling out wide. Often one of our WBs had the ball in a wide position and it would have taken an outrageous ball to hit either Toney or Wissa who were both very central. Mbeumo tends to drift across the frontline which provided more options.
Mr Tree
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We've seen that he can be deadly... but oof, he's got a loooooong way to go to be an all-round player. Some horrendous touches today.
Isleworth_Bee
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Thought he has an awful game.
stevil
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Funny old game...