Scott Out ... or in?

[exiledbee]

May I be the first? SCOTT OUT!!!!!!!!!

 

[Markybee]

Please, let's give it a rest eh? He won't be getting the job. Let's be positive now, even 3 wins would still not see him get the job.

 

[bees66]

Please, let's give it a rest eh? He won't be getting the job. Let's be positive now, even 3 wins would still not see him get the job.

I believe he should have gone with TB today, a shock that he is still here IMHO

 

[Markybee]

But who would have taken Saturday? Scott Marshall? Maybe AS is doing it for just one game. :shrug:

 

[Nick Hester]

Give the bloke at least a chance..

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Does he deserve one then?

 

[Markybee]

I think Andy is a great bloke but didn't see enough from the touchline to ever think he will be manager. Maybe MA will be here by Monday :yes:

 

[Nick Hester]

Does he deserve one then?

I would think so..

How does anyone know if it wasn't Butchers team selections, decisons etc..

 

[dbee3]

Scotty should of been sacked as he was guilty by association and I am sure he knows this but, for goodness sake can we please just back team and boss alike as there was actually some signs on Saturday of slight improvement.

If you want to protest against someone, protest against the inept prats who have screwed up the last three managerial appointments.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

The board have made their decision and the match is too important not to give him a chance. I just think that he is an incredibly lucky man to be given the opportunity given the part he played in our current plight. We didn't give any thought to making Paul Mortimer or Alan Reeves caretaker when their bosses left and I really cannot see any difference. If anything Andy Scott has had more influence than them, not less.

 

[Nick Hester]

If you want to protest against someone, protest against the inept prats who have screwed up the last three managerial appointments.

and the one who scuppered the Patterson deal in the first place

 

[Les Beeavinu]

How does anyone know if it wasn't Butchers team selections, decisons etc..

Are you really saying that he had no input to signings, selections etc?

 

[dbee3]

Are you really saying that he had no input to signings, selections etc?

Thorpe and Mackie. Taxi for Scott.

 

[JTofBFC]

I'm quite sure Scott is only a stopgap and he probably has been told that (at least I hope so). We cannot afford to appoint another untried novice in Fitzgerald style. If we do that we may as well all return our season tickets, cancel Lionel Rd and order our Non League grounds almanack for Christmas.

I am assuming he has agreed to stay on as he has friends as well as employers at the club and somebody has to pick the team for a few weeks. He had better not be allowed to make any long term signings though !!

 

[SQUELCH]

This is more Scotts team than Butchers? It was obvious Butcher didnt have a clue about tactics or formation but the signings were surely influenced by Scott.

 

[Nick Hester]

Are you really saying that he had no input to signings, selections etc?

Not at all..

Promotion budget - Lies by Dyke
Extra £250k for players - Lies by Dyke
60% of the original budget already taken up by signed contracted players.
10% of the budget on ONE player, signed before they arrived.
Current players on £250 a week? How do you expect us to sign anyone from even non league on that money?

They f***ed up or were let down by certain signings agreed but who do you think we will get as a manager with those restraints...????

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Not at all..

Promotion budget - Lies by Dyke
Extra £250k for players - Lies by Dyke
60% of the original budget already taken up by signed contracted players.
10% of the budget on ONE player, signed before they arrived.
Current players on £250 a week? How do you expect us to sign anyone from even non league on that money?

They f***ed up or were let down by certain signings agreed but who do you think we will get as a manager with those restraints...????

Took the job though didn't he?

 

[JTofBFC]

Not at all..

Promotion budget - Lies by Dyke
Extra £250k for players - Lies by Dyke
60% of the original budget already taken up by signed contracted players.
10% of the budget on ONE player, signed before they arrived.
Current players on £250 a week? How do you expect us to sign anyone from even non league on that money?

They f***ed up or were let down by certain signings agreed but who do you think we will get as a manager with those restraints...????

Agreed. It's up to BU to make sure that the next poor sod has more to work with and if that means changing the model to allow Benham some equity for his money then get on and do it !

 

[dbee3]

Not at all..

Promotion budget - Lies by Dyke
Extra £250k for players - Lies by Dyke
60% of the original budget already taken up by signed contracted players.
10% of the budget on ONE player, signed before they arrived.
Current players on £250 a week? How do you expect us to sign anyone from even non league on that money?

They f***ed up or were let down by certain signings agreed but who do you think we will get as a manager with those restraints...????

True I am afraid. The biggest negative for this club is the board who have got a sacking culture now and it will put off many a manager. As I have said on several occasions, Dyke and Dickens need to go for the club to move forward.

 

[HertfordBee]

I've said elsewhere that I am massively disappointed that Scott hasn't gone as well as I think the current situation is as much down to him as Butcher...but...

I think he needs everyone's support at Saturday's game.

The coming matches are huge in terms of importance and the rest of this season as we need to end this run and start picking up points so that the new manager has at least something to build on, however small that may be.

A couple of half-decent results will at least provide a basis to give the players some confidence and let the new boss see exactly what he has to work with.

So...whilst sincerely hoping it's not a long-term appointment, I think everyone at Wrexham at the weekend should give Andy Scott and the team every encourgement after what will have been a difficult week.

 

[Nick Hester]

Took the job though didn't he?

Don't mug me off Andy..

All I am trying to say is that you will not and cannot expect any loyalty from loanees and nor can you build a team around them, but when you've got £400,000 to pay the wages of around 14 players after you've taken out the rest for contracted useless ones, what would you do?

If you think anyone else can work wonders with what we've got then I'll dance round GP naked.. they are poor players.

Suddenley a shining Knight comes up with another £300k in January for the new manager..I can see it now..

 

[dbee3]

I've said elsewhere that I am massively disappointed that Scott hasn't gone as well as I think the current situation is as much down to him as Butcher...but...

I think he needs everyone's support at Saturday's game.
The coming matches are huge in terms of importance and the rest of this season as we need to end this run and start picking up points so that the new manager has at least something to build on, however small that may be.

A couple of half-decent results will at least provide a basis to give the players some confidence and let the new boss see exactly what he has to work with.

So...whilst sincerely hoping it's not a long-term appointment, I think everyone at Wrexham at the weekend should give Andy Scott and the team every encourgement after what will have been a difficult week.

I know I have slated people for saying this but, since then, we have seen a little bit of an improvement and more crucially, Butcher has gone.

Yes, Scott was part of the problem and its odds on he will be booted out when the new boss comes in but, this is the time when a clubs fans have to come through and back the players. Yes they are sh*t but, if we back them 100% then you never know...

 

[Banana]

Agreed. It's up to BU to make sure that the next poor sod has more to work with and if that means changing the model to allow Benham some equity for his money then get on and do it !

What makes you think he wants equity?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Don't mug me off Andy..

All I am trying to say is that you will not and cannot expect any loyalty from loanees and nor can you build a team around them, but when you've got £400,000 to pay the wages of around 14 players after you've taken out the rest for contracted useless ones, what would you do?

If you think anyone else can work wonders with what we've got then I'll dance round GP naked.. they are poor players.

Suddenley a shining Knight comes up with another £300k in January for the new manager..I can see it now..

Not trying to Nick - but I'd comment that others have the same if not worse constraints than us and have made a far better fist of things.

 

[Nick Hester]

Not trying to Nick - but I'd comment that others have the same if not worse constraints than us and have made a far better fist of things.

Brentford Football Club has been a cancer for the last twenty years though Les, its only now when that life support machine has kicked into overdrive..

You reap what you sow..and this club has been raped and mis managed for a couple of decades and only now has it become this serious..

 

[JTofBFC]

What makes you think he wants equity?

Well he clearly isn't going to put more £ in with no strings otherwise we wouldn't be reading the drivel excuses from Dyke about the Tevez/Mascheranas situation scuppering the £200k he hinted at. I have no idea what his proposed terms are but as he currently seems to be the best bet for getting some money into the playing budget to keep us in this league, I suggest that BU start thinking about giving him something.

BU don't need 60% of this club but if they insist they do and want to carry on for a 4th time with the fun game" how to mismanage a football club on less than a shoestring budget" then we will probably end up in the Blue Square.

Whoopee ****ing Dee

 

[Northern_Bee]

I am not saying that I could do any better but sadly this club is currently being run by a bunch of mugs...While I think today's decision is for the better, I do feel for Butcher as he was well out of his depth but a nice fella all the same. The decision for this and the last few shocking appointments must fall at the feet of the current jokers in charge. I would love to see BU succeed however I feel that in it's current form we are on the free fall into non -league football. What made me laugh more than anything was the Lionel Rd announcement earlier this week, fantastic news however it will be great playing Hayes or Maidenhead in this state of the art stadium!!
Unless someone comes into the club and is willing to put in some serious cash, we need a complete re-structure of the current board and set up, it's a fans run club yet the current chief's seem to forget this and only remember it when it suits them....

I feel that the board of our club must have gone to the same business school as the top dogs at the Football Association what with the balls up being made....(If this doesn't make sense, don't have a go as I have had several beers!!)

 

[Mr Cynical]

I would think so..

How does anyone know if it wasn't Butchers team selections, decisons etc..

Maybe, but personally I'm not prepared to take that chance. He's been responsible for bringing players in and the majority have been useless in spite of his 'encyclopedic knowledge' of the lower leagues..

Regardless of how many mates he may have at the club, he's patently not experienced enough to take the manager's job and keeping him on as an assistant may well adversely effect who we can bring in.

It is essential that we bring in the best manager we can, and they're more than likely to want to bring in their own man. In which case, I'm sorry, but he's got to go for the good of the club.... :shrug:

I'm afraid there's just no room for sentimentality at the arse end of the football league, I would have hoped we'd have learnt that lesson from Scott Fitzgerald last season....

 

[Nick Hester]

I'm afraid there's just no room for sentimentality at the arse end of the football league, I would have hoped we'd have learnt that lesson from Scott Fitzgerald last season....

I totally agree, although not quite sure who you all expect to get..

My loyalties lie firstly with Brentford Football Club.

 

[Mr Cynical]

I totally agree, although not quite sure who you all expect to get..

.

Well, I must admit, I'm certainly not confident!! Especially if the same mob are making the decision..

 

[bees66]

Give the bloke at least a chance..

sorry Nick, but the last 2 assistant didn't get that wish, why the hell has Scott got that chance? I have just had enough of dyke right now to last a life time

 

[VTG]

He's just there because there's no one else to do the job right now. Winning won't even give him a chance to get the job, unless they are emphatic wins, which is highly doubtful first against rough and tough Wrexham and second against MK Dons who could take the piss out of us all week. We've all got stage one of what we wanted, now give the club a chance to get the next bit right before the next witch hunt, eh?
As for sweeping "sack the board" comments, the board has recently had new members added, so try giving that 5 minutes too.

 

[Stanley]

even 3 wins would still not see him get the job.

Bet they would....at least for an extended basis.....and I bet if he won the three games most on this thread would be saying well maybe give him a chance...we are a very fickle lot.

 

[dbee3]

He's just there because there's no one else to do the job right now. Winning won't even give him a chance to get the job, unless they are emphatic wins, which is highly doubtful first against rough and tough Wrexham and second against MK Dons who could take the piss out of us all week. We've all got stage one of what we wanted, now give the club a chance to get the next bit right before the next witch hunt, eh?
As for sweeping "sack the board" comments, the board has recently had new members added, so try giving that 5 minutes too.

I just want Dyke and Rogers out from the board and they can take Dickens with them. All incompetent and a complete waste of time.

 

[SmiffyBee]

I just want Dyke and Rogers out from the board and they can take Dickens with them. All incompetent and a complete waste of time.

you forgot Scott, in that rant

after all he has been in the job for nearly a day now......why haven't you arranged a protest ?

 

[dbee3]

you forgot Scott, in that rant

after all he has been in the job for nearly a day now......why haven't you arranged a protest ?

So smiffybee, please tell me what the three aforementioned have done for this club?

 

[Markybee]

Bet they would....at least for an extended basis.....and I bet if he won the three games most on this thread would be saying well maybe give him a chance...we are a very fickle lot.

We'd be about 5/2 v Wrexham, 8/1 v MK Dons, about 7/4 v Wycombe.....about a 70/1 acca....

I doubt if he'd win all three but you never know. Be a nice problem if it happened.

 

[Banana]

So smiffybee, please tell me what the three aforementioned have done for this club?

I can:

https://griffinpark.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57987

 

[TW3Bee]

I believe he should have gone with TB today, a shock that he is still here IMHO

Agreed, but let's get behind him for hopefully his only game in charge.

MA can take charge for the MK Donkeys game, I'm sure he'll be given a nice warm welcome there.

 

[dbee3]

This again. The only thing they have managed to acheive. We have planning permission for a ground which will not be full as a direct result of Dyke and his boards sheer incompetance. Yes, they have set the wheels in motion but if we ever get there, we will be lucky to be in the League. This won't be the earner everyone is expecting.

 

[SmiffyBee]

So smiffybee, please tell me what the three aforementioned have done for this club?

More than you, that's for certain

Of course, I could be wrong, and you have put £100,000 into the club, worked as an unpaid Director for a few years, attracted investors and sponsors and moved Lionel Road forward...

Their (Dyke, Dickens, et al) choice in managers has backfired...without doubt, but off the field, we are becoming more stable.

 

[TW3Bee]

I do feel for Butcher as he was well out of his depth but a nice fella all the same.

All our managers since MA have been nice fellows, sod that let's have an horrible bastard in charge.

Cue Martin Allen.

 

[dbee3]

More than you, that's for certain

Of course, I could be wrong, and you have put £100,000 into the club, worked as an unpaid Director for a few years, attracted investors and sponsors and moved Lionel Road forward...

Their (Dyke, Dickens, et al) choice in managers has backfired...without doubt, but off the field, we are becoming more stable.

Apologies for the fact I do not have 100k. And of course, I suppose he has been coming week in week out all his life. Of course that doesn't matter though.

Anyway, how can a club be more stable off the pitch if it is crumbling on it? Surely the two go hand in hand? I know you are very pro BU but, the three men I mentioned for me should be here no longer.

Dickens - does not in my mind earn his 60k. He spouted a load of BS about 8500 crowds and being a championship team challenging for Cup comps yet on a tight budget. The bloke also has absolutely no clue about football and also spouted some drivel about us being on a par with Hereford this season. Yes Keith, that is what you can acheive with a little professionalism.

Dyke - yes, he 100k in the club but, that does not mean the guy gets to sit in office for 20 months saying nothing to the fans, appointing failing managers and has sat tight doing nothing while we have plummeted down the leagues. The man has no clue how to run a small buisness and is seemingly out of his depth.

Rogers - the man is a joke. The Princess Royal just one example. He has lost us a fair few quid down the years and is no longer needed as he offers us nothing.

I know you are totally behind this board at the moment SmiffyBee and you always have been, but the question is...why?!

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

I can:

https://griffinpark.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57987

Don't cloud the issue with facts 'nana.... I'd much rather read the same drivel over and over again from the usual suspects harping on about how Dyke, Dickens etc. haven't a clue how to run a business etc. etc. I do find myself asking, if they're such a f**king authority on the running of such a business, why they don't offer their services....

 

[beefanatic]

Can't see it mentioned here but doesn't everyone know that Andy Scott is only here because he is in with a board member?

Butcher was the only one that would take the job with Scott as his assistant. The club couldn't just appoint Scotty straight off due to his complete lack of any quality or expirience but maybe now it has worked out as they wanted?

 

[Bigbee]

sorry Im thick

Who has the ultimate say in decisions?Can Dickens not be got rid of?

 

[hayes bee]

wot a f kg mess the fan run football thing is not working its a joke sack scott now

 

[Brentford_till_die]

He is just as more to blame for our league position.

He made ther signing's and im sure he does tactics etc.
More than TB probably.

 

[hayes bee]

He is just as more to blame for our league position.

He made ther signing's and im sure he does tactics etc.
More than TB probably.

spot on mate

 

[Northern_Bee]

All our managers since MA have been nice fellows, sod that let's have an horrible bastard in charge.

Cue Martin Allen.

I would love MA back in charge...I am sure that the supporters would be more than happy to do it his way as well (board probably won't though as they lose control!!) however the club would need to put a huge compensation clause in his contract if he were to jump ship.