Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

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Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2007/jan/04/railtravel.cheaptickets?page=all

Six journeys, six tricks

NB This is a guide to saving on completely unrestricted, walk-on single fares on direct trains at any time of day or night. More substantial savings can be made if you can travel off peak for all or part of your journey or book well in advance.

1 Penzance to Birmingham

Walk-on standard open single fare £85.50

Same direct train, but with two tickets, splitting the journey at Cheltenham (you don't have to get off) £72.60

How you do it Buy a saver single from Penzance to Cheltenham at £58 (which can be used at any time on this direct journey), and one from Cheltenham to Birmingham at £14.60. All direct trains stop at Cheltenham.

2 London to Newcastle

Walk-on standard open single fare £112

Same direct train, splitting the journey at Peterborough £97

How you do it Buy a standard open single from London to Peterborough at £21, and one from Peterborough to Newcastle at £76. All direct trains call at Peterborough.

3 Swindon to Swansea

Walk-on standard open single fare £53

Same direct train, splitting the journey at Bristol Parkway £32

How you do it Buy a standard open single from Swindon to Bristol Parkway at £15.10, and one from Bristol Parkway to Swansea at £16.90. Almost all direct trains call at Bristol Parkway.

4 London to Manchester

Walk-on standard open single fare £109.50

Same direct train, splitting the journey at Milton Keynes £93.30

How you do it Buy a standard open single from London to Milton Keynes at £20.30, and one from Milton Keynes to Manchester at £73. Some but not all trains call at Milton Keynes.

5 York to Edinburgh

Walk-on standard open single fare £66.50

Same direct train, splitting the journey at Berwick-upon-Tweed £54

How you do it Buy a standard open single from York to Berwick at £37 and a standard open single from Berwick to Edinburgh at £17. Around half of all direct trains call at Berwick.

6 Crewe to Glasgow

Walk-on standard open single fare £60.50

Same direct train, splitting the journey at Carlisle £51.20

How you do it Buy a standard open single from Crewe to Carlisle at £37.50, and a standard open day single from Carlisle to Glasgow at £13.70. All trains call at Carlisle.

Tactics

1 Decide which train you want to take, using www.nationalrail.co.uk

2 Find out which company operates the route. Go to their website and find a timetable to see where the train stops.

3 Using www.thetrainline.com, see if it's cheaper to buy two singles, splitting the journey en route (but staying on the train).

****

You feel bitter and twisted as you squeeze into your train seat and swing down the stained beige table. That woman in the next row: she looks suspiciously smug. You've just forked out £219 to travel from Manchester to London, an 8.4% rise on last week's price. Has she? Or did she forage on a secret website when the moon was full and, with Venus in the ascendant, dig out a spectacularly cheap fare?

Everyone has been hit by the latest increases in already high ticket prices. "We have the most expensive railway in Europe, and unless ministers act to enforce affordable fares, we will have a system that will soon be the preserve of the middle classes," says Gerry Doherty, general secretary of TSSA, the transport union. The union has found that passengers pay 55p for each of the 199 miles on the train between Manchester and London, but just 17p a mile between Paris and Calais. This year UK fares have risen by an average of 4.3% - 1% above inflation - but many popular routes, long and short, have been hit by far higher rises. A standard open return from London to Plymouth went up 12.6% to £214.

These increases come in a labyrinthine fare structure that is a legacy of the privatisation of British Rail. Franz Kafka could not conjure up a more complex tale than the way we have come to pay for our seat on a train. There are, however, some smart routes through this maze of fares and price increases - routes that can save you money every time you take the train, and that horrible sensation: cheap seat envy.

One tip is to start your journey on the internet. There are bargain tickets if you book in advance. Martin Lewis's www.moneysavingexpert.com website has some good suggestions, including checking National Rail's online promotions index and, if you're taking certain Virgin and South West Train routes, looking at megatrain.com to see if you can pick up a £1 ticket.

Of course, there's nothing more frustrating than failing to get cheap offers if you have had the forethought to book in advance. According to public transport consultant Barry Doe, train companies are better than airlines in terms of the number of bargain seats. But, crucially, they are not obliged to provide cheap seats on every train. Look for a £10 single from Birmingham to London on a busy Friday train and you probably won't find one, even weeks in advance.

It is difficult to know the best time to grab a cheap advance ticket, but train companies must set their timetables 12 weeks in advance and that is when cheap tickets are usually released, so searching exactly 12 weeks before your journey is one good tactic. But engineering works often delays timetables and can mean that cheap tickets are not made available until four or five weeks ahead. The only solution is to keep checking prices online.

Most of us, however, can't or don't want to plan our trips 12 weeks ahead. Just 17% of journeys made are with advance purchase tickets, according to Doe; the other 83% are pricey walk-on fares. And cheap advance tickets are not always best. You can easily pick up a bargain single fare one way and then get stuck with a standard single fare the other and end up paying the same as you would for a walk-on return. And you won't get a refund on a cheap advance ticket if circumstances force you to change your journey.

You can still make massive savings as a walk-on passenger, though. Don't go to a ticket machine: they won't be able to sell you the cheapest way to take your journey. Queue at the ticket office. While vendors work for a particular company, they are legally obliged to sell you the cheapest ticket between the start and end station you desire. But here is the bonkers bit: they are not obliged to tell you how to make your journey in the cheapest possible way - and their computers can't search for it for you. So you have to tell them.

The best trick is to split your tickets. Take Penzance to Birmingham: it is cheaper to buy a ticket to Cheltenham and then a ticket from Cheltenham to Birmingham. This works for single or return journeys. If you are travelling at peak time, it can help you save, because only half your journey (the first half) is a peak fare. This tactic gives you cheaper tickets on many popular routes and you can stay on the same train.

It also works out cheaper at any time you travel because of the ludicrous anomalies in our franchised system, according to Doe. Virgin sets the fare (and runs the service) from Penzance to Birmingham. Historically, they have increased fares more than other train companies. First Great Western decides the price from Penzance to Cheltenham, and Central Trains calculates the fare from Cheltenham to Birmingham. Both these companies are cheaper than Virgin. Even though you have bought two tickets, you can board exactly the same (Virgin) train and legally travel the whole way through to Birmingham as normal.

Every Penzance train stops at Cheltenham, but on other routes you need to check that your train of choice stops at the station you are splitting your ticket at. Otherwise, your tickets will be invalid. The easiest way to do this is check via National Rail Enquiries where your train stops. Then research prices on www.thetrainline.com to find exactly which station stop saves you the most money.

(One anomaly is harder to beat, by the way. You can travel between London and Glasgow for less than you can between London and Carlisle, despite the former being much further away. Similarly, you can get a cheaper fare from London to Edinburgh than you can to Newcastle. So if you buy a ticket from the capital to Edinburgh and travel only to Newcastle, you are fine as long as you are on the train. But once your journey is over, you could be stopped by an inspector at Newcastle and forced to pay the difference.)

Less obvious are the regional discount cards. A Network Railcard costs £20 and gives 34% off journeys across a huge swath of south-eastern England, from London outwards to Hastings in the south, Exeter (via Waterloo only) in the south-west, Worcester in the west, Northampton in the north and King's Lynn and Harwich in the east. Anyone can buy the card, although on Mondays to Fridays you can only use it after 10am at most stations (earlier on some routes). There are similar, less extensive discount cards for parts of Scotland, the north-east and Cornwall and Devon (where a card costs £10), although with these you will have to prove that you live in the area.

The most stylish and ridiculously brilliant fare-saving tactic, however, is this: do you travel around the country reasonably regularly after 10am but don't qualify for any discount cards? Wherever you live, march into your nearest station and demand a season ticket for the three-minute journey from Ryde St Johns Road to Ryde Esplanade on the Isle of Wight.

This, the cheapest season ticket in the UK, will set you back £116. Buying a season ticket automatically gives you a "Gold Card" - which entitles you to a third off almost all off-peak UK fares. You can also upgrade to first class for £5 return on most of your journeys if you want to give yourself a treat.

Even if you are travelling in the south-east, where you could get a third off with a £20 Network Railcard, this trick is better if you make lots of journeys that cost less than £10. The Network Railcard only gives you a discount down to £10, but as a gold card user you can get 34% off any ticket, at any price. So if you travel from Kingston-upon-Thames to London Waterloo on a cheap day return at £5.70, you will pay £3.76 thanks to your Isle of Wight season ticket. Even if you only make that trip three days a week, you will save more than £300 in a year.

Angry of Kingston writes ...
How one passenger beat the system

I am a reasonable person. I pay our ridiculous taxes. I try not to mock when the government says inflation is 3% and we get gas and electricity rises of 15%. I attempt to keep my blood pressure under control when our prime minister is sunning himself in Florida as the Iraq he helped to create spirals out of control. But on Tuesday, faced with a 35% rise in the rail fare from Kingston (in south-west London) to central London, I'm afraid my customary sang-froid snapped. I was furious.

I would have shouted at the poor clerk at Kingston station who had to pass on the absurd news - that a peak-time fare that used to be £6.80 was now going to cost me £9.20 - but he looked so sheepish and embarrassed by the rise that I couldn't bring myself to do it. I took a complaint form from him, intending to scrawl some abusive message, but in the end decided that would be childish and pointless.

I rang the rail regulator instead. The temp in reception took an age to find anyone he thought might be able to help, and when I did get through to the assistant of the Man Who Fields Complaints, she said the rail regulator didn't regulate fares, it dealt with safety issues. Try the Department of Transport, she suggested.

So I did. Amazingly, I got through straight away to a man called Mark Smith, a senior member of the fares and ticketing team. It was all his fault he admitted. Or rather, the Department of Transport's. For reasons of good house keeping, the DoT had asked the rail companies that serve London to equalise all fares from zone six (in which Kingston has the misfortune to fall) to central London. Kingston, he said, had had historically low fares - hence the correction.

"There will be winners and losers," he explained "and I'm afraid you're one of the losers." It has to be said that, so far, none of the alleged winners has come to light.

Oddly, I did feel better for my chat with Mr Smith. There was some logic to the outrage. But it is still deeply unfair. Why should the DoT assume that the average Kingstonian can afford an extra £2.40 a day? The rise is an absurdity - but, happily, there is a suitably absurd solution.

A mile up the road from Kingston, two minutes by train, is Norbiton: a smaller station staffed by a friendly, grey-haired ticket clerk. Magically - not a word often applied to Norbiton - it is in zone five. From here, a ticket to central London will cost you £7.20. Walking to and from Norbiton station will take me an extra 20 minutes a day, but, hey, I need the exercise, and I certainly need the money. I have, at a stroke, reduced my fare increase to a more manageable 6%.

Prediction: Kingston will become a ghost station, and the elderly clerk at Norbiton is about to get a whole lot busier.

Check train times: nationalrail.co.uk/index.html

Buy tickets online: www.thetrainline.com

Cheap travel hints: http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/travel/cheap-train-tickets

Megatrain: www.megatrain.com

Barry Doe: www.barrydoe.plus.com
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Another tip is to have children (one will do) as then you can get a family rail card, then travel off-peak and suddenly you're paying more like a quarter of the price shown here.
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Another tip:

Don't forget if you know someone with a "Gold Card" (thats an annual travelcard) for any train company in the Network Railcard area, or in London, they can buy you a Network Railcard for just £1.

Note the conditions:
You can only buy one per season ticket as they usually mark the back of your pass when you buy the partner card.

In the past I've done this for my partner, brother & just a mate so they do not actually check if you are a couple when you purchase the £1 card.

The 'partner' has to fill in a form on a leaflet & go along to the station with you to purchase it so your pass can be checked.

Again, no photocard is required for them. Note that the conditions are exactly as for the standard Network Card rather than the Gold Card (which has slightly preferable conditions, such as no £10 minimum spend before discount etc).
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

dont forget if you're under 25 you can get a young persons railcard saving you 33% on fares for a yearly outlay of £20. get one/renew the day before your 25th birthday for an 'extra' valid year.
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

dont forget if you're under 25 you can get a young persons railcard saving you 33% on fares for a yearly outlay of £20. get one/renew the day before your 25th birthday for an 'extra' valid year.

I was told recently that it's age limit has been extended to 27. I was told by southwest rains that if i renewed mine the day before my 27th i could have it for the following year.:idea:

The travelcard has saved me hundreds over the years.:)
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Keep an eye out to see if any rail companies are trialling 'Print at Home' tickets. The Virgin trial seems to have closed but a friend of mine got to Manchester for around £6 each way.


No it's still operating. Have a look at the site here for more details. Cheapest ticket is £1 and most expensive £9 for a single. Unforunately I have never seen any tickets for a Saturday or Sunday, you can only book up to about 5 weeks in advance and you must stipulate the service you want to travel on, which again is restricted to only some trains.

On the Guardian information above, the best way to get cheaper fares is to book well in advance when often the tickets are pretty reasonable. What you must remember is that there are only a few of each type of the “reduced price” cheaper tickets and when they are gone they're gone. So the moral is book early.
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

I was told recently that it's age limit has been extended to 27. I was told by southwest rains that if i renewed mine the day before my 27th i could have it for the following year.:idea:

The travelcard has saved me hundreds over the years.:)

I think that it's still 25. However, if you are 26+ and in full time eductaion you can still qualify for a “Young Persons” Railcard. The card costs £24 pa and you save a third on all fares, except if you travel in the M - F morning peak when to make the saving there is a minimum ticket price of either £8 or £16, depending upon the route being used.
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Was booking tickets for a work trip to Leeds and found that on The Trainline you now have to pay a quid for First Class post.

You also have to pay 50p if you want to pick up the tickets from the quick ticket machines!

Looked around the web and found that...

...if you book through the train operators direct you don't have to pay to pick up your tickets from the quick ticket machines.

In fact, if you are travelling with National Express East Coast (ex-GNER) you even get on-line discounts.
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Was trying to move a very unsightly credit card balance to a new provider for the interest free period and noted that Virgin give you a 10% discount on their trains if you book with a Virgin Credit card :computer:
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Was booking tickets for a work trip to Leeds and found that on The Trainline you now have to pay a quid for First Class post.

You also have to pay 50p if you want to pick up the tickets from the quick ticket machines!

Looked around the web and found that...

...if you book through the train operators direct you don't have to pay to pick up your tickets from the quick ticket machines.

In fact, if you are travelling with National Express East Coast (ex-GNER) you even get on-line discounts.

trainline.com are also charging a minimum of 50p when you use any type of card to book.
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

be careful when you're splitting tickets that the train you're getting on actually stops at the station where the split occurs.

i've done this with a slough-maidenhead-reading split because i have a slough-maidenhead ST and you can get caught out and charged the whole fare again i think, or some such nastiness, if you get a train that goes straight through.
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

One thing I'd like to add to people is that if you have 5-8 travelling, and at least 4 are children, get the group save for 4 people, then ask for GROUP SAVE CHILD for the 4 children left over (i.e. if you have 4 adults 4 children, or 3/5 etc).

The Group Save Child is £1 per extra child added to the group save of 4 (upto 4 children) - where ever you travel.. so thats £1 from Brentford to Hounslow, or £1 from Brentford to Bournemouth.. but only for the 4 additional children.. just thought I'd let you know..
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Southampton Away 11th December

Southern Trains http://www.southernrailway.com/

Return Adult : £7.50 from Clapham or Victoria to Southampton Central
Return Child: £0.10 from Clapham or Victoria, when accompanied by an adult

Worth a try, have to book before 31st October :sorted:
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Southampton Away 11th December

Southern Trains http://www.southernrailway.com/

Return Adult : £7.50 from Clapham or Victoria to Southampton Central
Return Child: £0.10 from Clapham or Victoria, when accompanied by an adult

Worth a try, have to book before 31st October :sorted:


Cheers for that, went that way last year. Very scenic if a bit slower. Who cares at that price though
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Southern Railway are offering 90% off advance fares for today only (26th May 2011)
May benefit those who live far away from GP or for an away game? - you can book up to the 20th August so three possible Brentford fixtures...
http://www.southernrailway.com/
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Southern Railway are offering 90% off advance fares for today only (26th May 2011)
May benefit those who live far away from GP or for an away game? - you can book up to the 20th August so three possible Brentford fixtures...
http://www.southernrailway.com/

just booked up a return from clapham jnc to brighton for me the missus and 4 kids for the grand total of.....................£3.30 lol lol :eek::eek: who says train travel is expensive eh ?? lol:D
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

just booked up a return from clapham jnc to brighton for me the missus and 4 kids for the grand total of.....................£3.30 lol lol :eek::eek: who says train travel is expensive eh ?? lol:D

and how much to get to Clapham?
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

I think the offer has been extended to today. Got 2 adult returns to Worthing for £2.30
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Was just wondering how can you take advantage of these group saver that is in the railcard option. Does it cost anything?
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

What do you mean by group saver options?

As long as you travel in a group of 3 or 4 its fine. There is no railcard to purchase to get this discount.
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

What do you mean by group saver options?

As long as you travel in a group of 3 or 4 its fine. There is no railcard to purchase to get this discount.

although if booking online the option to add it on is listed, generally, with the railcard options. :sorted:
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

although if booking online the option to add it on is listed, generally, with the railcard options. :sorted:

Yes just choose Group Save 3 or Group Save 4 and it should discount it at the end.
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

National Express East Anglia have some cheap single tickets available for advance booking. I've done Liv St > Colchester & back for £10 on Tues 14th Feb. (yes, Mrs J is very understanding), and it's school half-term week as well...
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

I was playing around on the Virgin Trains and London Midland websites earlier. I was trying to see what a train for the Tranny game on the 29th September would cost. I couldnt check that far in advance so did the latest saturday available (15th Sept). 1 adult return ticket costs £74 (seems a bit steep considering it is 3 months away, thought you would get a decent discount). A similar timed train for this saturday (return) costs £70. Why is this, it makes no sense that booking a few days in advance is cheaper than booking 3 months in advance? Can anyone explain? Will the train for our game at Tranny really cost about £70?
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

advance (ie cheap) tickets are available up to 1st sept (if we're talking about saturdays only) currently, the ones your seeing are standard fare tickets i imagine :) looks about £35 return euston to liverpool lime street, add a couple of quid for your day ticket to rock ferry station, but should be cheaper if you book them as soon they go on sale which i'd advise because london to liverpool advance train tickets sell double quick!! :sorted:
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

advance (ie cheap) tickets are available up to 1st sept (if we're talking about saturdays only) currently, the ones your seeing are standard fare tickets i imagine :) looks about £35 return euston to liverpool lime street, add a couple of quid for your day ticket to rock ferry station, but should be cheaper if you book them as soon they go on sale which i'd advise because london to liverpool advance train tickets sell double quick!! :sorted:

Thank you :sorted:
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

I've had it be fairly random over the years, I managed to book a ticket for half the price as my friend, even though I booked a week after them for the exact same journey.

I'm going to Swansea this Friday and the 4:15 train is £60 Anytime Return with a railcard, while the 4:45 one is £159.99 Anytime Return with a railcard. I know it's nearer rush hour but why that much of a hike!?
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Weren't sure whether to place in moan about south west trains thread or here but...

For the next few weekends, SWT are running a deal where max fare for an adult return is £10 with children at £5, so if you can, leave the car at home, and enjoy a drink or 4... Ends the Sunday, day AFTER, of the weekend of Wolves at home...
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Have found it cheaper to buy the tickets on the day of travel.....:sorted:..You Reds..
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Have found it cheaper to buy the tickets on the day of travel.....:sorted:..You Reds..

Remember folks, travelling on south west train services only, you can get an adult return for just £10 maximum from anywhere on the network.. Children half price..
Last weekend this weekend..
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

I don't understand train fares. I live right near Southampton - £29 return for me and my ten yr old to Brentford on a Saturday but Swindon (which is 20 miles nearer to Southampton) is £57 return for the two of us.

I have no option but to stay sober and bugger up the ozone layer even more.
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

I imagine the difference being the use of different companies. Southampton to Brentford is south west trains only.
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

First Great Western are thieving b*******
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Bunk the train
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

4 people can get to Swindon for 58 quid. We are doing it from Staines , change onto GWR at Reading
 

Beat the system: cheap rail tickets

Thinking about Middlesbrough on 20th sep.

Cheapest I can find for me and two kids from Southampton and back again on the same day is £282.80!
 
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