The Uwe Rösler Thread

[DavidgRushden]

oh touche monsieur lol

have you got your 3rd hand report from yesterdays game yet ?????

Grow up.

 

[Brentford_till_die]

Delusionist in this context means having no sense of reality i.e not appreciating the budgetary and other constraints under which the club works, not understanding that we can't bring in any player that we want, believing we have a right to be in the top six, not appreciating what a massive challenge is required to clear out the bulk of the old squad, not understanding that it takes time to change the football style and bring in new players who can achieve that style,being critical but with no viable alternatives.

 

[JOABee]

Let's remember we have a club being financed to the tune of 20,000 gates.

lol we're just a bit short then !

 

[beebopalula]

Why is it if anyone dares to be critical of the manager people like you start with the "whats your solution, who would you have as manager, what players would you bring in on our miniscule budget", if I get the job to replace Uwe I'll set about trying to answer all those questions, until then it's down to him and the board.

It's important to consider the constraints before criticising IMO. We lost to the team in second place whose resources way exceed ours and yet some are reacting as if the sky had fallen in. By all means criticise the manager when it's justified but Uwe wasn't responsible for the two errors which cost us on saturday.IMO we have the right approach to playing football right through from the youth to the first team and Uwe and Farrell are very much part of that change. Wait til the end of next season when Uwe will have had time to create his own squad. At that stage I think it would be reasonable to reflect on how things have gone.

 

[wayfarer172]

It's important to consider the constraints before criticising IMO. We lost to the team in second place whose resources way exceed ours and yet some are reacting as if the sky had fallen in. By all means criticise the manager when it's justified but Uwe wasn't responsible for the two errors which cost us on saturday.IMO we have the right approach to playing football right through from the youth to the first team and Uwe and Farrell are very much part of that change. Wait til the end of next season when Uwe will have had time to create his own squad. At that stage I think it would be reasonable to reflect on how things have gone.

Well said. I remember when Uwe was appointed manager. I said at the time I felt it was a good appointment. I have NOT changed my mind.

 

[redsbee]

Well said. I remember when Uwe was appointed manager. I said at the time I felt it was a good appointment. I have NOT changed my mind.

Nor have I.

 

[readingbee]

Well said. I remember when Uwe was appointed manager. I said at the time I felt it was a good appointment. I have NOT changed my mind.

I'm with you on this. Next season will be time to judge Uwe as a Manager.

 

[FlyBee]

It's important to consider the constraints before criticising IMO. We lost to the team in second place whose resources way exceed ours and yet some are reacting as if the sky had fallen in. By all means criticise the manager when it's justified but Uwe wasn't responsible for the two errors which cost us on saturday.IMO we have the right approach to playing football right through from the youth to the first team and Uwe and Farrell are very much part of that change. Wait til the end of next season when Uwe will have had time to create his own squad. At that stage I think it would be reasonable to reflect on how things have gone.

I'm not sure the Sheffield Utd result is really the catalyst. The Yeovil and Col U results were far more disappointing and effectively ended our play off hopes. Personally i'm not overly concerned as we don't have the squad in place to cope with promotion anyway at this point in time (at risk of "you don't wanna go up" calls). I think it is the disappointing progress in pursuit of the squad capable of taking a step up which is the cause of greatest frustration.

Uwe was never going to be able to crack it in one season, but we just don't seem to have made any squad construction progress whatsoever. That's the real issue.

We'll know by 15 games into next season whether he'll be the manager the year after that.

 

[beebopalula]

I'm not sure the Sheffield Utd result is really the catalyst. The Yeovil and Col U results were far more disappointing and effectively ended our play off hopes. Personally i'm not overly concerned as we don't have the squad in place to cope with promotion anyway at this point in time (at risk of "you don't wanna go up" calls). I think it is the disappointing progress in pursuit of the squad capable of taking a step up which is the cause of greatest frustration.

Uwe was never going to be able to crack it in one season, but we just don't seem to have made any squad construction progress whatsoever. That's the real issue.

We'll know by 15 games into next season whether he'll be the manager the year after that.

I think there's a lot of deconstruction that has to take place first and that's what is happening this season. Just look at this list of players who are going out/have gone out and might depart to see the challenge-Wood,Pim,Woodman,Bean,MacDonald,Alexander,Hudson,Weston,Osborne. Only two are off the books.That's 9 outfield players from the previous regime who would make a relegation side for sure. Re next year , I think 15 games is too little. End of next season is the right time to reflect IMO.

 

[kevalutonbee]

I think there's a lot of deconstruction that has to take place first and that's what is happening this season. Just look at this list of players who are going out/have gone out and might depart to see the challenge-Wood,Pim,Woodman,Bean,MacDonald,Alexander,Hudson,Weston,Osborne. Only two are off the books.That's 9 outfield players from the previous regime who would make a relegation side for sure. Re next year , I think 15 games is too little. End of next season is the right time to reflect IMO.

Sorry to be nit picky but from your list three have left and I would say at least another one has played his last game for us

 

[moribee]

What I misunderstand from Saturday is how young Berehino was just left to rot unsupported up front. Too many games like that and his confidence would be shattered. The manager made no effort to rectify the situation when it was obvious after ten minutes he was getting eaten alive. Mcginn was missing and Forshaw out of his depth to help. Why couldn't the manager see this situation.

 

[Invipai]

What I misunderstand from Saturday is how young Berehino was just left to rot unsupported up front. Too many games like that and his confidence would be shattered. The manager made no effort to rectify the situation when it was obvious after ten minutes he was getting eaten alive. Mcginn was missing and Forshaw out of his depth to help. Why couldn't the manager see this situation.

Gary was moved on, hense the lack of a target man, that is exactly what he said afterwards. McGinn was only brought on because of Saunders injury. What would you have done in that situation?

 

[CTBee]

Gary was moved on, hense the lack of a target man, that is exactly what he said afterwards. McGinn was only brought on because of Saunders injury. What would you have done in that situation?

I wouldn't have let Gary go now and I would have had Forrester on the bench instead of Thompson so he could have come on when Saunders was injured.

 

[CTBee]

I think there's a lot of deconstruction that has to take place first and that's what is happening this season. Just look at this list of players who are going out/have gone out and might depart to see the challenge-Wood,Pim,Woodman,Bean,MacDonald,Alexander,Hudson,Weston,Osborne. Only two are off the books.That's 9 outfield players from the previous regime who would make a relegation side for sure. Re next year , I think 15 games is too little. End of next season is the right time to reflect IMO.

Why do you think those 9 players would be in a relegation side when for either one or two previous seasons they have played a large part in us consolidating as a mid table League One club?
Charlie and Gary have scored 25 goals between them at this level this year and Uwe has replaced them with 9 goals from Clayton and Grella (left already, more rebuilding . . .)

 

[moribee]

Gary was moved on, hense the lack of a target man, that is exactly what he said afterwards. McGinn was only brought on because of Saunders injury. What would you have done in that situation?

Put some big and ugly alongside him as soon as.

 

[Invipai]

I wouldn't have let Gary go now and I would have had Forrester on the bench instead of Thompson so he could have come on when Saunders was injured.

Thompson was needed on the bench because Logan was coming back from an injury, so it wasn't guaranteed he'd be able to last the 90 mins. Gary going wasn't really Uwe's decision, his hands were fairly tied on that issue. He's spoken qute clearly about how he wanted him to stay.

Forrester coming on for Saunders would have been ideal, and I also would have had him on the bench, but the management couldn't have predicted he'd get injured in the first 20 minutes.

Put some big and ugly alongside him as soon as.

Hopefully the striker we get in can fill in that role, and I believe it's the sort of player the club is looking for. Hopefully we'll hear something soon.

 

[CTBee]

Thompson was needed on the bench because Logan was coming back from an injury, so it wasn't guaranteed he'd be able to last the 90 mins. Gary going wasn't really his decision, his hands were fairly tied on that issue. He's spoken qute clearly about how he wanted him to stay.

Forrester coming on for Saunders would have been ideal, and I also would have had him on the bench, but the management couldn't have predicted he'd get injured in the first 20 minutes.

We didn't need two players to cover RB/CB in Thompson and Osborne, one would have sufficed. If he had given Gary a two year deal in January then he would still be at the club; it is down to Uwe's actions that Gary now plays for Crawley.

 

[wanderer paul]

I wouldn't have let Gary go now and I would have had Forrester on the bench instead of Thompson so he could have come on when Saunders was injured.

There's nothing anyone could've done to have kept GA at Brentford. He wanted a 2 year deal. Brentford were correct in refusing to offer that type of deal. When GA knew that and Crawley offered what they did, it was time to cut the ties, the same happened with CM. You have to let players go, you cannot force them to stay, even if they're in a contract, the damage that can be done by them, to the club, is greater. Move on.

Uwe and his scouts have their work cut out. As has been said before, we needed 2 new strikers last summer to compliment CM and GA. It never happened, we got one in, looked a good signing, but that hasn't paid off either. The clubs at the top with good strikers are paying big money for them in fees and wages. Only MK & Stevenage are doing well with their resources. With Uwe starting to move players on now, the rebuild has begun, let's hope theres some good ones coming in.

 

[Invipai]

We didn't need two players to cover RB/CB in Thompson and Osborne, one would have sufficed. If he had given Gary a two year deal in January then he would still be at the club; it is down to Uwe's actions that Gary now plays for Crawley.

I wanted Gary to stay this season, he's been strong in the goalscoring aspect and in what he brings physically to the team. But that said I don't want him here in 2 years.... The club has ambitions of promotion, and I'm not sure an aging 35 year old (by that point) is really what the club invisions as our leading goal threat to take us up. Even if we did get promoted next season, you can't imagine he'd feature strongly in our Championship team the following season. That's why the contract offered was based on appearances for the second year, which makes a lot of sense.

Osborne I don't believe would be great as cover for RB, especially considering he's also only coming back from injury. I personally would have left McGinn out, with Forrester on the bench instead but otherwise kept the same subs.

 

[kevalutonbee]

We didn't need two players to cover RB/CB in Thompson and Osborne, one would have sufficed. If he had given Gary a two year deal in January then he would still be at the club; it is down to Uwe's actions that Gary now plays for Crawley.

Depending on which version you read he was. It was a one year with a trigger after a certain number of games but the number of games was seen to be easily attainable but GA held out. On twitter he also appears to be contradicting the story that he was offered a shed load of money. He says the overriding issue was the length of contract

 

[wayfarer172]

I wouldn't have let Gary go now and I would have had Forrester on the bench instead of Thompson so he could have come on when Saunders was injured.

Letting GA go was a good bit of business for BFC. At least we got some dosh in to finance the new striker which hopefully will be this week. GA has gone the way of other players who think they are bigger than BFC. Overall Gary did well for us and I hope he succeeds at Crawley. He was looking at one last fat pay check so good luck to him. I hope the replacement for Gary will be a 13stone bruiser.

 

[jlove]

We didn't need two players to cover RB/CB in Thompson and Osborne, one would have sufficed. If he had given Gary a two year deal in January then he would still be at the club; it is down to Uwe's actions that Gary now plays for Crawley.

Osborne is not a right back and is clearly not fit. Are you seriously advocating that the club should have offered Alexander a two year contract with no strings? The GPG would have gone into meltdown! It's all ifs, buts and maybes. The management error was that what happened to Saunders is exactly what happened at Yeovil; he was marked out of the game and put out of the game with a couple of industrial tackles.

 

[Ubee]

You have to let players go, you cannot force them to stay, even if they're in a contract, the damage that can be done by them, to the club, is greater. Move on.

I'd think the majority would agree that refusing to give GA a 2 year deal was a good thing, even if that meant GA leaving at the end of this season. I also think that next season we probably wanted an 'upgrade' on GA, although I'd have been happy to see him as one of four strikers.
I think where many are unhappy is that we are mid-season - not in a transfer window. If GA wanted to move on once his contract expired and take a longer term deal, then fair enough and good luck to him. I hold with the idea that we 'can't force players to stay', but it just doesn't cut the mustard when we are talking about leaving at the beginning of March! He could have had out in Jan, or at the end of the season - but using loopholes to force a transfer from the club at this time is shameful.

Accepting it's happened is one thing, but I think it's fair to recognize a legitimate reason to be pissed off with the situation.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

We didn't need two players to cover RB/CB in Thompson and Osborne, one would have sufficed. If he had given Gary a two year deal in January then he would still be at the club; it is down to Uwe's actions that Gary now plays for Crawley.

Giving a 33 year old who's goal return is reasonable at best would have been absolute folly IMO and if the alternative was losing him now then I've no problem with that.

 

[Bill Benn]

What I misunderstand from Saturday is how young Berehino was just left to rot unsupported up front. Too many games like that and his confidence would be shattered. The manager made no effort to rectify the situation when it was obvious after ten minutes he was getting eaten alive. Mcginn was missing and Forshaw out of his depth to help. Why couldn't the manager see this situation.

Forshaw is hardly out of his depth,he went off injured.He is going tohave a great carrear and hope we can get him on a season loan next year.Donaldson was suposed to support Berahino up front and as he has most of the season failed to make any impact.We are Brentford Mori not Man city when your main striker walks out 2 days before a big game we don't have a Tevez waiting to come into the team.

 

[CTBee]

Osborne is not a right back and is clearly not fit. Are you seriously advocating that the club should have offered Alexander a two year contract with no strings? The GPG would have gone into meltdown! It's all ifs, buts and maybes. The management error was that what happened to Saunders is exactly what happened at Yeovil; he was marked out of the game and put out of the game with a couple of industrial tackles.

If Osborne is clearly not fit why was he on the bench? Thompson can cover CB as well; I think having both of them on there instead of Forrester was a waste. Yes I would have given Gary a two year deal (I'm obviously in the minority) but I think he has offered more than anyone else this year on the pitch. He doesn't rely on pace to at the moment so what does it matter if he loses another half a yard over the next two years? How old was Cureton when he scored 20+ goals for Exeter last year?
If we get a better replacement in then I will be happy but the evidence so far doesn't point out that we will be able to do that.

 

[CTBee]

Giving a 33 year old who's goal return is reasonable at best would have been absolute folly IMO and if the alternative was losing him now then I've no problem with that.

I would say his goal return this year is better than reasonable and considering he scored more goals this year than al of our other strikers put together I do have a problem with losing him.
Oh and btw he is 32.

 

[moribee]

Forshaw is hardly out of his depth,he went off injured.He is going tohave a great carrear and hope we can get him on a season loan next year.Donaldson was suposed to support Berahino up front and as he has most of the season failed to make any impact.We are Brentford Mori not Man city when your main striker walks out 2 days before a big game we don't have a Tevez waiting to come into the team.

Totally agree re Donaldson and Forshaw,my man of the match v Exeter,which is why I co asking why the manager just stood there and made no effort to help the youngster. There were options at half time at least. Going to pm you Bill,not easy on phone but will go to main screen

 

[Invipai]

If Osborne is clearly not fit why was he on the bench?

So that he could come on near the end and get some game time, to help bring him back to fitness. Thompson was the RB cover for Logan if he was found to be struggling. This may be one of those cases where the 5 sub rule got us again though as you imagine Forrester would have been next on the selection list.

 

[beebopalula]

Why do you think those 9 players would be in a relegation side when for either one or two previous seasons they have played a large part in us consolidating as a mid table League One club?
Charlie and Gary have scored 25 goals between them at this level this year and Uwe has replaced them with 9 goals from Clayton and Grella (left already, more rebuilding . . .)

That group were part of the Scott side which was heading for the trap door. The revival under NF and the Breadman needed some loans to come in. I think few of those names would be a regular choice in any top ten League 1 side and certainly not for a playoff contender. But that's just my view.

 

[CTBee]

So that he could come on near the end and get some game time, to help bring him back to fitness. Thompson was the RB cover for Logan if he was found to be struggling. This may be one of those cases where the 5 sub rule got us again though as you imagine Forrester would have been next on the selection list.

I thought the development squad was designed to give returning players game time? If we sacrificed the strength of the bench to give Karleigh 20 min game time it was a poor decision IMO.

 

[jlove]

If Osborne is clearly not fit why was he on the bench?

Uwe said that he wanted to bring him on to gain some match fitness, which he did. With Logan just returning from injury as well, Thompson was was cover there. Hindsight is the best way to select the bench but does not happen often.

Yes I would have given Gary a two year deal...

I was a big fan of Gary but would not have offered him a 2 year deal; we need to move on.

 

[Gee Bee]

IOh and btw he is 32.

He's actually 33 in August, so a 2 year deal would have seen him through to 1.5 months prior to 35, if you want to be pedantic.

 

[CTBee]

He's actually 33 in August, so a 2 year deal would have seen him through to 1.5 months prior to 35, if you want to be pedantic.

So he is 32 then lol

 

[Gee Bee]

So he is 32 then lol

Yes, but not when the contract really starts when he's playing league games next season. Being 32 and 11 months is somewhat diffrent to be being 32 last week for example.

 

[BedfontRed]

Why not give him a two year contract. Did we not give Forster a two year deal and he was near collecting his Pension. As I said before I dont know the ins and outs but to have him leave now when he is easily our most productive striker is ludicrous. Yes I know he is not the most skillful but he was a leader and a battler on the pitch (Sadley lacking now im afraid with the possible exception of Douglas who was excellent Saturday) and would have been far more effective than CD IMHO.

Just another dissapointment in a season with some bright signs but mostly frustrating.

 

[Invipai]

I'm guessing Forster was offered a much lower salary than GA was though. Given his age and that he wasn't proven with us already (bar a decade earlier). But as apparently Gaz was offered the best contract ever by this club to a player over 30 you can guess the salary was probably not too shabby...

 

[kevalutonbee]

I'm guessing Forster was offered a much lower salary than GA was though. Given his age and that he wasn't proven with us already (bar a decade earlier). But as apparently Gaz was offered the best contract ever by this club to a player over 30 you can guess the salary was probably not too shabby...

According to GA Crawley offered him two years we didn't but additonally it wasn't about the money it was the length of contract(or so he says on Twitter)

 

[FlyBee]

According to GA Crawley offered him two years we didn't but additonally it wasn't about the money it was the length of contract(or so he says on Twitter)

Yes he said it was less money, but didn't comment on any signing on fee.

 

[Herbert]

Why not give him a two year contract. Did we not give Forster a two year deal and he was near collecting his Pension. As I said before I dont know the ins and outs but to have him leave now when he is easily our most productive striker is ludicrous. Yes I know he is not the most skillful but he was a leader and a battler on the pitch (Sadley lacking now im afraid with the possible exception of Douglas who was excellent Saturday) and would have been far more effective than CD IMHO.

Just another dissapointment in a season with some bright signs but mostly frustrating.

Forster was alot more fitter and mobile than Aleaxnder,even being considerably nearer to 40,the only reason he didnt carry on playing was because of his chances in management,i'd have had Forster this season

with the state Alexanders knees are in,what do you honestly think he would bring to the team next season,let alone the year after?if the Club are serious about moving forward as they want,then id af thought letting him go in the summer was ideal,no new contract at all ! But in the Clubs defence,the offer off a year + another on appearances was a very good offer.
i liked him but he wont get 20 goals for us,certainly wouldnt of next year.Hes too injury prone and has the mobility of someone alot older than him
Thanks Gary

 

[KGB]

There was a strong assumption on this board that we would make signings in January that would improve our squad. We couldn't achieve this & there is no guarantee that we will in the close season.

Each of our playoff/promotion sides in the last 20 years have had at least one prolific goalscorer - Holdsworth, Bliss, Forster, Taylor etc - except for MA's (although DJ might have fulfilled that role). Most of these players cost us biggish money & actually made us a pretty healthy profit in due course. We are not willing/able to pay out an equivalent amount of money nowadays & so, somehow, we need to get goals from all areas of the team & a style of play that permits this. At present only Saunders gets goals from midfield - but mostly from freekicks.

This means that UR will certainly need to work hard to change the squad & there is still a lot of progress needed with regard to our playing style. It will be a tough job & I hope that UR can succeed but, sadly, I don't think that too much progress has been made to date.

 

[moribee]

Problem is he didn't even have the nous on Sat to protect the one striker we did have

 

[Wouldbee]

BBC Headline this Month - Rosler says Bees lack fire power

BBC headline this month AFTER this quote- Bees loan out top scorer.


Am I missing something here????

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Problem is he didn't even have the nous on Sat to protect the one striker we did have

Protect him with who ?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

BBC Headline this Month - Rosler says Bees lack fire power

BBC headline this month AFTER this quote- Bees loan out top scorer.


Am I missing something here????

Yes - the unwritten headline "Alexander - I'm quitting Brentford".

 

[moribee]

Protect him with who ?

Anyone after 30 mins. Legge,Osborne, Dean even the Watford guy.

 

[thatcham bee]

i think we have all seen that even with a fully fit squad, rosler cannot make his mind up on his strongest starting line up, i have never been a fan of the loan system and i know we are not the only club to do this but i want to see contracted bees players playing before loans, the continued changing of the side means that we are not consistant at the back, midfield or upfront and i know we have had a season of bad injuries but as a fan of over 40yrs and watching an average of 35 games per season, all i want to see is a settled side that plays the players in the true positions, i do not want to see centre forwards playing on the wing and doing throw ins, i pull what little hair i have everytime we defend with 11 back for the oppos corner, even when we were 2 up against a poor exeter side we still did it. very few home games have been entertaing and i thought on saturday if we had played donaldonson alongside saido we could have got a result against a side that i thought was poor at the back and had conceded a lot of goals in the last few games, we huffed and puffed but we never looked like scoring, i know alexander wanted to leave but on saturday we needed his up and at them attitude, but he has gone so we move on, but i really do not see a lot of goals being scored in the remaining games because of the players being in 1 game and them left out. we are in league 1, we do not have to keep rotating. he needs to learn and quick, next season will be the time to judge, but as a old fart who has seen this all before unless we spend big, we face a few more seasons in league 1 with or without rosler.

 

[moribee]

One of the most disheartening boring seasons I can remember. Ok it's just my feeling...ok

 

[Bigbee]

One of the most disheartening boring seasons I can remember. Ok it's just my feeling...ok

too much expectation from big wins in meaningless pre season games ,plus hooge expectations from a manager who speaks a good game and promises to play attractive ,passing footie . The deprived fans lapped this up ,hoof ball was no more .Long live the king .......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[beebopalula]

One of the most disheartening boring seasons I can remember. Ok it's just my feeling...ok

Come on Mori. You said you've been watching since 59 so you cannot be serious.