Summer 2024 Transfer General Thread

[bridport bee]

Plus a decent lapel mic, and no over-zealous audio compression, for the window-review-round-up video.

A de-esser and some subtle gating, perhaps?

 

[GlasgowBee]

You have expertly highlighted some effective weeding and planting of new blooms in the Brentford garden. Now to watch it grow ???

I forgot to add that everyone should be upstanding for the amazing toils of Farmer Giles ?

 

[beeeehive]

Ivan would have provided variety. Plus he's a far far better player.

I think Toney is a brilliant player but that's a bold statement!

Sterling's numbers are very good for a winger, 80 caps 20 goals for England, nearly 123 premier league goals. If Arsenal wanted a number 9 but didn't fancy Toney they surely would have signed another striker, just don't think they wanted a 9.

 

[sonofabee]

I think Toney is a brilliant player but that's a bold statement!

Sterling's numbers are very good for a winger, 80 caps 20 goals for England, nearly 123 premier league goals. If Arsenal wanted a number 9 but didn't fancy Toney they surely would have signed another striker, just don't think they wanted a 9.

Strange because with Jesus out of favour they need one to challenge Havertz

 

[beeeehive]

Strange because with Jesus out of favour they need one to challenge Havertz

It's so strange, look at City too, they lose Haaland what do they do. How many times does Haaland score goals with his pure physicality and pace.

I have a sneaky feeling Liverpool could have a huge say this season.

 

[Judio1999]

Chalobah has this morning gone from Chelsea to Palace

So that's three transfers all done by Chelsea hours after the deadline

What is the point of saying 11pm ??

Trevoh Chalobah joins Palace on loan - News - Crystal Palace F.C.

www.cpfc.co.uk

 

[Hippobee]

I suspect with the Millwall lad he may just have been too far away from being developed to PL level in a useful timescale. The level and pace of development we need now is much higher than it was when eg we bought MPH who’s actually got to Championship level at an adequate rate but most of us think won’t get to PL with us. We seem to be going for guys like Yehor, Nunes, Konak, Meghoma at that age who we expect to get decent PL minutes well within 12 months without a loan to get competitive match time. I think the B team pathway will increasingly be one to generate decent and saleable Championship/L1 players and have a structure to integrate young first teamers in the culture and football philosophy. But it’ll be decreasingly attractive for those who may eg get into Millwall’s first team more quickly while perhaps lowering their ceiling.

I think you're right with this. We need players who we anticipate will develop well enough to be knocking on the door of the first team within 12-24 months. And if they don't make it, or look like making it, they are loaned out to get regular football elsewhere, before they get fed up not playing competitive football and/or seeing a pathway to the first team.

Players we sign for the B team have simply got to be much better than what we were looking at 2 years ago. We are clearly trying to do this with the purchase of 2 expensive teenagers.

This, of course, turns us into a bit of a 'Chelsea or Liverpool lite.' This is something we all scoffed at (and many continue to do so). Part of me doesn't like it - taking young, promising players away from their less wealthy clubs and 1st team football, while they are still affordable to us. And in most cases, moving them on in a couple of years when they don't make it. We used to detest this when we were a lower league club.

Having said that, there has got to something ingenious about signing youngsters for very little money, not giving them 1st team football, loaning them out instead, then making 500% profit on what you paid for them. Look how much we paid Liverpool for Carvalho and VDB - they have creamed massive profits without really doing anything at all with these players.

Perhaps that's not such a bad model to follow, albeit on a smaller scale.

 

[Mjlumley]

Really interesting to see how PG and LD seem to have give thought to the cultural affinities within the squad in different areas of the pitch :
Anglo-Dutch defence : Flekken SVDB, Hickey , Collins , Pinnock, Henry , Meghoma .
Danish midfield spine : Norgaard , Jensen , Damsgaard.
English Box to Box water-carriers : JDS , Trevitt, Maghoma , MPH
Portuguese speaking progressors: Carvalho, Nunes , Thiago
French finishers : Bryan and Wissa
Outliers : Janelt and Schade
Ajer and Roerslev.
Nonetheless some interesting demographics ! Compare this with the sh*t show at Chelsea !

 

[larrysigny]

Ivan would have provided variety. Plus he's a far far better player.

Agree he's a better player than Sterling (I'M a better player than Sterling!) - but Ivan would simply get in the way when he drops back into the middle or defends. It's not the Arse's way.

 

[Lozza]

Really interesting to see how PG and LD seem to have give thought to the cultural affinities within the squad in different areas of the pitch :
Anglo-Dutch defence : Flekken SVDB, Hickey , Collins , Pinnock, Henry , Meghoma .
Danish midfield spine : Norgaard , Jensen , Damsgaard.
English Box to Box water-carriers : JDS , Trevitt, Maghoma , MPH
Portuguese speaking progressors: Carvalho, Nunes , Thiago
French finishers : Bryan and Wissa
Outliers : Janelt and Schade
Ajer and Roerslev.
Nonetheless some interesting demographics ! Compare this with the sh*t show at Chelsea !

By expanding to a North European defence you pretty much squeeze them all in.
Great analytics!

 

[ppobee]

We’re definitely lighter in the middle than last season. Onyeka, Baptise. Da Silva (to an extent) Ghoddos (to an extent) all left and only Carvalho coming in can play there. I know we have maghoma and konak but not sure they’re ready IMO

We could have retained any of those players if we thought it worthwhile. Perhaps most importantly though, the club have opened a pathway for the younger midfielders through to the first team - important for them, but also important when encouraging younger players to sign.

 

[Sianist]

Having lost Raya, Pontus and Toney, we dont have anyone obvious out there with the exception of Norgaard, whose game time has been reducing. Hopefully 1 or 2 of the youngsters will grow into that role.

my money, at least short-medium term, on this is Mbeumo taking some of the slack and then easing Collins into taking more responsibilities on this.

 

[aawharris]

We could have retained any of those players if we thought it worthwhile. Perhaps most importantly though, the club have opened a pathway for the younger midfielders through to the first team - important for them, but also important when encouraging younger players to sign.

Exactly right.
Take Chelsea few years back for example - buy a really good young player that would get in a lower half prem team, then loan him to a European team for 4 years before selling him.

 

[jbee]

Agree he's a better player than Sterling (I'M a better player than Sterling!) - but Ivan would simply get in the way when he drops back into the middle or defends. It's not the Arse's way.

When did everyone decide Sterling was terrible? Madness. One of the best English players since the millennium.

 

[Sianist]

When did everyone decide Sterling was terrible? Madness. One of the best English players since the millennium.

massive ammounts of dickheadery

 

[Edmundo]

Agree he's a better player than Sterling (I'M a better player than Sterling!) - but Ivan would simply get in the way when he drops back into the middle or defends. It's not the Arse's way.

Because he’d follow his old coach’s instructions rather than his new one’s? People on here are capable of spouting nonsense at times.

 

[aawharris]

massive ammounts of dickheadery

And he runs like a dainty T Rex

 

[beeeehive]

When did everyone decide Sterling was terrible? Madness. One of the best English players since the millennium.

The hate he gets is odd, not many get near his record and achievements, even a poor record at Chelsea is better than most other wingers.

 

[beeeehive]

massive ammounts of dickheadery

What's he done apart from move clubs?

 

[vcmazz]

I’m assuming I’m missing the fishing emoji.
I’m over the moon that Ramsdale might be playing today.

No really. I saw his cock-ups under ridiculous pressure but I really rate him.

 

[vcmazz]

You’re just wrong about this. Ramsdale is a relegation goalkeeper who got lucky playing for a non-relegation team who made him look decent.

Well let's hope this relegation team don't make him look decent today. I hope you're right but I anticipate a worldie.

 

[taxi driver]

We could have retained any of those players if we thought it worthwhile. Perhaps most importantly though, the club have opened a pathway for the younger midfielders through to the first team - important for them, but also important when encouraging younger players to sign.

I think you have nailed this

Onyeka moved on when under contract, Baptiste and Josh rarely fit, Ghoddos not good enough.

Perhaps faith in the youngers is the way to go.

 

[ziggys_human]

• Fletcher : We got plenty of strength at the back, one thing we're not short of is stoppers. What we need now is a bit of creative mid-field flair.
  Godber : From what I saw of him Rudge could provide that. Revelation he was.
  Fletcher : Yeah. Reckons he had a trial for Brentford before he had a trial for shoplifting.

 

[DanishPlastic]

Don't know where else to write this since both his player thread and his transfer thread got closed. But I'm an emotional guy and I'm not ashamed to say that I had tears in my eyes reading Ivans farewell message. Such beautiful words.

 

[Poolieboydave]

Don't know where else to write this since both his player thread and his transfer thread got closed. But I'm an emotional guy and I'm not ashamed to say that I had tears in my eyes reading Ivans farewell message. Such beautiful words.

Check ex bees forum

 

[Old B]

A day in, looking forward (not) to the Winter thread. Wonder who will start that and when and hope they have some other type of fun before ?

 

[ruislip bee]

A day in, looking forward (not) to the Winter thread. Wonder who will start that and when and hope they have some other type of fun before ?

Yep someone will suggest we sign Saman. In fact as a free agent we could probably do it before the window.

 

[TorbayBee]

I suspect with the Millwall lad he may just have been too far away from being developed to PL level in a useful timescale. The level and pace of development we need now is much higher than it was when eg we bought MPH who’s actually got to Championship level at an adequate rate but most of us think won’t get to PL with us. We seem to be going for guys like Yehor, Nunes, Konak, Meghoma at that age who we expect to get decent PL minutes well within 12 months without a loan to get competitive match time. I think the B team pathway will increasingly be one to generate decent and saleable Championship/L1 players and have a structure to integrate young first teamers in the culture and football philosophy. But it’ll be decreasingly attractive for those who may eg get into Millwall’s first team more quickly while perhaps lowering their ceiling.

Very good points.
From TFs comments so far this season I feel he has a whole squad perspective and those youngsters will get significant playing time as the season progresses. Looking at Konak warming up yesterday he already looks physically ready. Our focus on pace is significant & exciting , I cannot wait to see Thiago in this set up.

 

[Gazza Bee]

Don't know where else to write this since both his player thread and his transfer thread got closed. But I'm an emotional guy and I'm not ashamed to say that I had tears in my eyes reading Ivans farewell message. Such beautiful words.

You don't seriously believe he wrote that do you?

 

[AB]

You don't seriously believe he wrote that do you?

I’m not sure it matters who wrote it. He could have said nothing at all. He could have told his social media guys not to bother.

 

[Hippobee]

I’m not sure it matters who wrote it. He could have said nothing at all. He could have told his social media guys not to bother.

I thought the same. I wasn't sure there would even be a statement.

Interesting one - I was actually surprised he was at the game - if he was a total mercenary, we wouldn't have been. He clearly cares. I do think it was right that he didn't come on the pitch and join in with FFD, though - he is an ex-player that wanted to leave, after all.

Having said all that, given that he was there, I wonder did the fans know he was there? If they did, then given his goals for the club, would we have expected a 'There's only one Ivan Toney' chant, to show recognition? Or given the slight souring of things in the past 12 months, people decided not to bother?

 

[AB]

I thought the same. I wasn't sure there would even be a statement.

Interesting one - I was actually surprised he was at the game - if he was a total mercenary, we wouldn't have been. He clearly cares. I do think it was right that he didn't come on the pitch and join in with FFD, though - he is an ex-player that wanted to leave, after all.

Having said all that, given that he was there, I wonder did the fans know he was there? If they did, then given his goals for the club, would we have expected a 'There's only one Ivan Toney' chant, to show recognition? Or given the slight souring of things in the past 12 months, people decided not to bother?

I only knew about him being there because I was late getting in due to a jam on the M1 and so had seen it on twitter while walking in after kick off.

Someone by me in West at half time was joking about Ivan being in Saudi counting his cash until I pointed Ivan out sat behind the bench.

There was a round of the Toney & Mbeumo song so maybe by that point in the 2nd half after Bryan’s second the info had got more widely known.

 

[Edmundo]

There was a round of the Toney & Mbeumo song so maybe by that point in the 2nd half after Bryan’s second the info had got more widely known.

New lyrics … Wissa and Bry Mbeumo.

 

[AB]

New lyrics … Wissa and Bry Mbeumo.

A lot sang it with the old though. Much as it took a while to get used to singing God Save the King.

 

[Edmundo]

A lot sang it with the old though. Much as it took a while to get used to singing God Save the King.

This is why it’s great that the IT replacement is … IT.

 

[jlove]

This is why it’s great that the IT replacement is … IT.

… plus Ivan and Igor are entirely interchangeable in simple verse.

 

[ChesilB]

You don't seriously believe he wrote that do you?

What does it matter?

 

[DanishPlastic]

You don't seriously believe he wrote that do you?

I'm sure he got help but I'm sure it's partly his words. Doesn't life become endlessly dull when you have to be such a dull cynic all the time? Why you care what I believe?

 

[brentfordfc4ever]

Any chance we are sourcing the market for a RB on a free transfer that could plug the gap?

 

[hanworthbee]

Any chance we are sourcing the market for a RB on a free transfer that could plug the gap?

We have mads and any FA will have to have been a FA since before the window shut so likely way off any kind of fitness

 

[kevalutonbee]

The hate he gets is odd, not many get near his record and achievements, even a poor record at Chelsea is better than most other wingers.

Is some of the hate related to him as a person rather than the footballer. I'm thinking about the outcry when it was found that he had a tattoo of a machine gun on his leg

England forward Raheem Sterling defends gun tattoo

Raheem Sterling responds to criticism of his new inking, saying it has "deeper meaning".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[beeeehive]

Is some of the hate related to him as a person rather than the footballer. I'm thinking about the outcry when it was found that he had a tattoo of a machine gun on his leg

England forward Raheem Sterling defends gun tattoo

Raheem Sterling responds to criticism of his new inking, saying it has "deeper meaning".

www.bbc.co.uk

There have been lots of attacks on him in the media, when he got a KFC, flew on easyjet, bought a house for his mum, had a tattoo. There was a big article about how everything he does gets targeted by the media. Many people have a tattoo of a dagger or knife, guess that makes them horrible people too. If people don't see it for what it is, not much more you can say. I'd suggest a 'bad' person wouldn't play 16 years at the top level and only once not hit double figure goals.

 

[damsgard.szn]

You don't seriously believe he wrote that do you?

give the guy a break

 

[mobbeez]

We have mads and any FA will have to have been a FA since before the window shut so likely way off any kind of fitness

Dearest Hanworth: I cannot afford assassins, but please be ensured of my ongoing enmity. Do you have any comprehension of how much of my life you have wasted forcing me to work out what FA means in this context.

Well!!

 

[kevalutonbee]

There have been lots of attacks on him in the media, when he got a KFC, flew on easyjet, bought a house for his mum, had a tattoo. There was a big article about how everything he does gets targeted by the media. Many people have a tattoo of a dagger or knife, guess that makes them horrible people too. If people don't see it for what it is, not much more you can say. I'd suggest a 'bad' person wouldn't play 16 years at the top level and only once not hit double figure goals.

Not saying I agree with it just highlighting a possible reason.

If buying a house for a relative is a reason for hate, Michael Owen must be the lowest of the low

 

[rebus]

I’m not sure it matters who wrote it. He could have said nothing at all. He could have told his social media guys not to bother.

That decision came from his agents who have access and publish from his account.

 

[upnorthbee]

Slightly off topic, slightly on topic I guess. Does anyone else find it difficult listening to our Brentford representative on this panel? Sorry if you're on here Billy and it's amazing to have representation in anyway, but the amount of talking and the 1 week long transfer window suggestion was madness


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhVFIKkl3yE

 

[CheltBee]

What's he done apart from move clubs?

Didn't I read somewhere that of current* PL players, only Mo Salah has accumulated more Goals/Assists combined? And that as someone who doesn't turn 30 until December.

Phenomenal footballer.

* - Maybe even all-time?

 

[beeeehive]

Didn't I read somewhere that of current* PL players, only Mo Salah has accumulated more Goals/Assists combined? And that as someone who doesn't turn 30 until December.

Phenomenal footballer.

* - Maybe even all-time?

His numbers are scary but it will be interesting to see if he returns to form now he's out of Chelsea. What I find crazy is what he did for England in Euro 2020 and leading up to it, gets zero credit.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Raheem Sterling doesn't play for Brentford folks.