General Transfer Discussion including Suggestions (Brentford Only)

[Banana]

Source: Trois clubs anglais se disputent Christ Inao Oulaï

Always on the lookout for high-value talent, Fulham, Brentford, and Sunderland—three ambitious Premier League clubs—have made inquiries and sounded out the player's entourage.

We spoke to his drinking mates?

 

[JANORAK]

We spoke to his drinking mates?

Don’t be silly. His barber, chauffeur, dermatologist, personal trainer, social media manager, tattoo envisioner, religious advisor, nutritionist, personal shopper …

 

[Old B]

Don’t be silly. His barber, chauffeur, dermatologist, personal trainer, social media manager, tattoo envisioner, religious advisor, nutritionist, personal shopper …

You forgot the “wrist bandages”

 

[JANORAK]

You forgot the “wrist bandages”

It’s just the one, for their ‘preferred diving hand’. Ghana’s were buttercup yellow, last night.

 

[I'll Bee Damned]

We're moving concrete.

Sunderland, Fulham and Brentford make concrete moves - PL trio need hefty big for signing

Sunderland, Fulham and Brentford are battling for Trabzonspor's Christ Inao Oulaï this summer transfer window.

sportwitness.co.uk

Thought he was mustard in the game the other day. Looked really good at getting out of tight spaces and finding other players. On the strength of one game, I’d definitely have him!

 

[Catbee]

Am sorry Harry Wilson signed for Leeds....think would have fitted in at GTech...but hey how.. prob wanted too many ££££££

 

[aawharris]

Yep. I can’t see why any club would be interested in a player who is error prone, a red card waiting to happen and who is generally a ****.

Real Madrid it is then

 

[londondude]

Am sorry Harry Wilson signed for Leeds....think would have fitted in at GTech...but hey how.. prob wanted too many ££££££

120k a week rumoured on X.

 

[hairman]

Will be tough but think we’ll do our best to try and avoid that. I imagine we’ll have learnt quite a bit from last pre season and want to start stronger than we did last season. Especially when you consider our opening game is against Spurs, who have been the most active side in the window so far, the more of our business done early and the more players with us for pre season the better.

I really wouldn't use Spursy Spurs as a guide to how we should be conducting our business or running a football club.

 

[damsgard.szn]

I thought Manzambi looked good in the Europa League final last evening. Only 20, so plenty of time for development. Better technically that KS.

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[Old B]

Am sorry Harry Wilson signed for Leeds....think would have fitted in at GTech...but hey how.. prob wanted too many ££££££

Good signing for them, has another couple of years in him I’d say.

 

[TOXIC BEE]

I really wouldn't use Spursy Spurs as a guide to how we should be conducting our business or running a football club.

That wasn’t what I was saying, only that it’s not ideal for our opening game if our first opponents of the season have a load of their signings in early and bedded in during pre season and we perhaps don’t, just to make sure we’re not caught cold again like we were with that performance at Forest last year…

 

[Beelated]

Am sorry Harry Wilson signed for Leeds....think would have fitted in at GTech...but hey how.. prob wanted too many ££££££

He’s a decent player and has always done well whenever he has played against us, at Derby when on loan from Liverpool and at Fulham. Him playing for Leeds will raise the fixture to even greater heights.

 

[JANORAK]

Manzambi now up to 3 goals for Switzerland at the WC Finals. I guess lots of clubs will be contacting Freiburg this summer, about him. Mind, he’s used to playing in red and white stripes, and maybe Kevin could have a word…

 

[Leonardo]

I quite like the look of Barry Ferguson and reminded of Norgaard. Don't know how much it would take to bring him over.

 

[To Bee Someone]

I quite like the look of Barry Ferguson and reminded of Norgaard. Don't know how much it would take to bring him over.

*Lewis...he is the nephew of Barry..another Scot in Italy. Very good player

 

[King Bee]

I quite like the look of Barry Ferguson and reminded of Norgaard. Don't know how much it would take to bring him over.

Think you mean Lewis…

 

[Gazza Bee]

I quite like the look of Barry Ferguson and reminded of Norgaard. Don't know how much it would take to bring him over.

Think we were linked with him a couple of seasons ago before he had a bad knee injury - we have previous with Scottish players from Bologna but that ship has probably sailed now.

 

[BuzzingBee95]

I quite like the look of Barry Ferguson and reminded of Norgaard. Don't know how much it would take to bring him over.

Barry?!

Beyond the hill and then some.

In all seriousness, Lewis Ferguson always seems keen to have the ball and looked good at times from set pieces.

 

[Manliketrevor]

Couldn’t find the link to the Athletic, but here we are. Thoughts?

 

[Guildford Bee]

 

[djheavens]

Think we should be looking to do better than Wilson.

 

[brentfordfc4ever]

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Behave. Past it and sh*t too

 

[FJBee]

Wilson did fine at West Ham last year - as a back up to Thiago in the Mee / Henderson mould I can totally understand why we'd be keen.

Used to play for Cov though so feels like they'd be a better match + he'd get to play more.

 

[Jim Rourke]

Looking at some of the quoted prices for non established Premier League players - Yan Diomande at Leipzig, 19, £100M declined - year on year it must get more difficult/ expensive for Phil, Lee, Matthew to go shopping

 

[brentfordfc4ever]

Looking at some of the quoted prices for non established Premier League players - Yan Diomande at Leipzig, 19, £100M declined - year on year it must get more difficult/ expensive for Phil, Lee, Matthew to go shopping

It's seems 40m+ now for our attacking targets. Absolutely crazy.

 

[North London Bee]

Michail Antonio revealed that we were about to offer him a contract but injury put paid to it. Assuming that is true then Wilson as a bench option might also make sense on a free.

 

[jlove]

Wilson did fine at West Ham last year - as a back up to Thiago in the Mee / Henderson mould I can totally understand why we'd be keen.

Used to play for Cov though so feels like they'd be a better match + he'd get to play more.

Unless he has outstanding qualities for the squad in the dressing room and Jersey Road I really can’t see the point. We’ve got Henderson in that role now, so entirely unnecessary.

 

[TorbayBee]

Unless he has outstanding qualities for the squad in the dressing room and Jersey Road I really can’t see the point. We’ve got Henderson in that role now, so entirely unnecessary.

Henderson is our ‘old head’ but I think the argument is for an experienced and capable striker willing to sit on the bench as a back up forward. We are very exposed in this area now and Wilson did impress at the end of the season at West Ham. The only negative is his injury record, we do not need another Nelson .

 

[jlove]

Henderson is our ‘old head’ but I think the argument is for an experienced and capable striker willing to sit on the bench as a back up forward. We are very exposed in this area now and Wilson did impress at the end of the season at West Ham. The only negative is his injury record, we do not need another Nelson .

As you say, if we were looking for 'an experienced and capable striker willing to sit on the bench as a back up forward’ then Wilson would be high risk at high cost.

Whether we would actually consider an experienced and capable back-up player for any position, except for one with exceptional back-room qualities, like Henderson (or Jansson or Mee), is quite questionable. I think our recruitment thinking leans towards inexperienced and potentially capable in these cases.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Wilson would be on a fair old wage.

 

[hanworthbee]

Wilson would be on a fair old wage.

Not after the 30th June he won’t be

 

[North London Bee]

Wilson would be on a fair old wage.

Earning £0 from 1 July though

 

[Bill Benn]

Never mind Fleming from Burnley I would go for that nasty bugger Hanibal just what we need in midfield right now good age too

 

[BFC1997]

Jaidon Anthony?

Claiming glory if he signs

 

[Beeian]

Claiming glory if he signs

Sorry I mentioned him immediately after the City game against Burnley, but it’s not a race to claim the plaudits because if he were to sign it would be for every Brentford supporter

 

[PGH_Bee]

Not sure I put too much stock in the recent links. All players on the other side of 25(Anthony, Flemming, Chavaria) and relatively low growth potential. If they're cheap and depth players, that's fine. But if these are genuinely where we are shopping I have some concerns. I know we haven't lost much from last season(yet) and we are getting a handful of players back from injury that should be able to lift us a bit... but I'm just seeing targets meant to maintain the team's quality, not much to push it forward.

 

[Garybaldbee]

Not sure I put too much stock in the recent links. All players on the other side of 25(Anthony, Flemming, Chavaria) and relatively low growth potential. If they're cheap and depth players, that's fine. But if these are genuinely where we are shopping I have some concerns. I know we haven't lost much from last season(yet) and we are getting a handful of players back from injury that should be able to lift us a bit... but I'm just seeing targets meant to maintain the team's quality, not much to push it forward.

1) I think if Lyall is reporting the Flemming and Anthony story that's enough for us to take it very seriously;

2) I'm not sure how much more realistically, we can expect to progress from this point. We are already bumping up against the very outer edges of what is feasibly possibly for a non big 6 club. That's not to say that we can stand still of course, nor that we shouldn't try and push another couple of places up the table and/or win one of the Cups, but just to temper expectations on what more is possible. If you really expect us to be regularly challenging for a top 4 slot, which is probably the next big leap, then you'll almost certainly be disappointed. To do that you have to consistently spend big on established oven ready PL stars rather than promising youngsters and that's just not sustainable on our resources. Leicester, a bigger club than us by almost every metric (except current league position ) tried it and quickly came a cropper; and

3) Maybe the club has come to the view that we already have sufficient quality within the squad and enough young talent coming through, so the strategic priority this season is building depth. After all, I think most fans complaint last season wasn't that the first 11 wasn't good enough. It was that there was quite a drop off as soon as injuries began to bite.

 

[PGH_Bee]

1) I think if Lyall is reporting the Flemming and Anthony story that's enough for us to take it very seriously;

2) I'm not sure how much more realistically, we can expect to progress from this point. We are already bumping up against the very outer edges of what is feasibly possibly for a non big 6 club. That's not to say that we can stand still of course, nor that we shouldn't try and push another couple of places up the table and/or win one of the Cups, but just to temper expectations on what more is possible. If you really expect us to be regularly challenging for a top 4 slot, which is probably the next big leap, then you'll almost certainly be disappointed. To do that you have to consistently spend big on established oven ready PL stars rather than promising youngsters and that's just not sustainable on our resources. Leicester, a bigger club than us by almost every metric (except current league position ) tried it and quickly came a cropper; and

3) Maybe the club has come to the view that we already have sufficient quality within the squad and enough young talent coming through, so the strategic priority this season is building depth. After all, I think most fans complaint last season wasn't that the first 11 wasn't good enough. It was that there was quite a drop off as soon as injuries began to bite.

Re: 2, I just don't agree. Leicester invested very poorly. Obviously we don't have the same financial assets as some of the other clubs, but our scouting has generally done well. Had some very near misses with players that have tremendous potential, and signed some that have tremendous potential. I'm not expecting this club to challenge for a top 4 spot continuously, but I do expect them to continue to push for better and better signings especially as the club has made some massive sales and brought in new investors of late. There are plenty of youngsters out there who are ready to contribute and grow, even if they aren't ready to be main pieces. I expect that out of Schuster this year, as well as Furo. I do expect this club to be able to challenge for a 6-10 spot every season. I think that Flemming and Anthony are fine depth pieces if that is the goal, but they aren't players that improve the starting 11 in any capacity.

Re: 3, I do think this is a real possibility and I don't think it is necessarily wrong. And when healthier, our drop off after the first 11 is much less noticeable... 5 subs out of Jensen, Furo, Hickey, Milambo, Dasilva, KLP, Ajer, and Carvalho... that's a tremendous amount of quality and tactical flexibility. But if we are going to make any sales this summer - Schade for example, as many expect - Anthony being the direct replacement is concerning for me from a quality perspective and Keano has never shown the ability to produce consistently. I have to think that we have our sights set on a higher level of quality from a LW replacement than Anthony.

 

[Garybaldbee]

Re: 2, I just don't agree. Leicester invested very poorly. Obviously we don't have the same financial assets as some of the other clubs, but our scouting has generally done well. Had some very near misses with players that have tremendous potential, and signed some that have tremendous potential. I'm not expecting this club to challenge for a top 4 spot continuously, but I do expect them to continue to push for better and better signings especially as the club has made some massive sales and brought in new investors of late. There are plenty of youngsters out there who are ready to contribute and grow, even if they aren't ready to be main pieces. I expect that out of Schuster this year, as well as Furo. I do expect this club to be able to challenge for a 6-10 spot every season. I think that Flemming and Anthony are fine depth pieces if that is the goal, but they aren't players that improve the starting 11 in any capacity.

I'm sure that we will continue to try to push the limits of quality we can bring in. But it's a really tough market for us. If we are looking for 19/20 year olds already good enough to immediately improve us we will be in direct competition with big 6 type clubs for the same players. The reality is that given the choice between Brentford and Arsenal, or even Spurs, most youngsters will choose the higher paying and more glamorous club. The long list of near misses of this type of player isn't just a coincidence. We also can't take the same types of risks as Arsenal et al. If we'd spent £30m on Nusa and his knee had gone, or £40m on Mudryk and he went on to pick up his ban, that would really cripple us financially whereas an Arsenal or Chelsea could brush it off.

Where we can compete is with the next generation down; high upside 17/18 year olds not yet sufficiently proven or developed to be of immediate interest to the big boys. The club is stockpiling youngsters like Furo, Donovan and our clutch of young central defenders. Hopefully in a year or two we might find we've struck lucky with several of them, like we did with Yarmo. I guess the idea is that eventually we'll have a continuous pipeline coming through, always an in-house replacement nearing readiness. But we aren't there yet.

 

[TorbayBee]

Re: 2, I just don't agree. Leicester invested very poorly. Obviously we don't have the same financial assets as some of the other clubs, but our scouting has generally done well. Had some very near misses with players that have tremendous potential, and signed some that have tremendous potential. I'm not expecting this club to challenge for a top 4 spot continuously, but I do expect them to continue to push for better and better signings especially as the club has made some massive sales and brought in new investors of late. There are plenty of youngsters out there who are ready to contribute and grow, even if they aren't ready to be main pieces. I expect that out of Schuster this year, as well as Furo. I do expect this club to be able to challenge for a 6-10 spot every season. I think that Flemming and Anthony are fine depth pieces if that is the goal, but they aren't players that improve the starting 11 in any capacity.

Re: 3, I do think this is a real possibility and I don't think it is necessarily wrong. And when healthier, our drop off after the first 11 is much less noticeable... 5 subs out of Jensen, Furo, Hickey, Milambo, Dasilva, KLP, Ajer, and Carvalho... that's a tremendous amount of quality and tactical flexibility. But if we are going to make any sales this summer - Schade for example, as many expect - Anthony being the direct replacement is concerning for me from a quality perspective and Keano has never shown the ability to produce consistently. I have to think that we have our sights set on a higher level of quality from a LW replacement than Anthony.

‘I do expect this club to be able to challenge for a 6-10 spot every season’
You understand what you are expecting?

Toughest league in the world, up against mega millionaire clubs with the smallest budget. I think we are a walking miracle and if PG and his team think something is a good idea then so do I.

 

[PGH_Bee]

I'm sure that we will continue to try to push the limits of quality we can bring in. But it's a really tough market for us. If we are looking for 19/20 year olds already good enough to immediately improve us we will be in direct competition with big 6 type clubs for the same players. The reality is that given the choice between Brentford and Arsenal, or even Spurs, most youngsters will choose the higher paying and more glamorous club. The long list of near misses of this type of player isn't just a coincidence. We also can't take the same types of risks as Arsenal et al. If we'd spent £30m on Nusa and his knee had gone, or £40m on Mudryk and he went on to pick up his ban, that would really cripple us financially whereas an Arsenal or Chelsea could brush it off.

Where we can compete is with the next generation down; high upside 17/18 year olds not yet sufficiently proven or developed to be of immediate interest to the big boys. The club is stockpiling youngsters like Furo, Donovan and our clutch of young central defenders. Hopefully in a year or two we might find we've struck lucky with several of them, like we did with Yarmo. I guess the idea is that eventually we'll have a continuous pipeline coming through, always an in-house replacement nearing readiness. But we aren't there yet.

All absolutely fair and frankly I'm always heartened by the fact that we are in for these players even if they don't pan out. And we were really undone by our depth this past season down the stretch. I am just hoping the potential signings of players like Anthony are looked at independently from the signings of players like Nusa/Mudryk/El Mala.

 

[nick logan]

All absolutely fair and frankly I'm always heartened by the fact that we are in for these players even if they don't pan out. And we were really undone by our depth this past season down the stretch. I am just hoping the potential signings of players like Anthony are looked at independently from the signings of players like Nusa/Mudryk/El Mala.

We had no depth due to injuries . The squad was very strong .

 

[ziggys_human]

wow!...the perceived 'value' of fomer transfer target johan bakayoko has plummeted to less than half what it was when we had interest

 

[londondude]

No idea how reliable this is


View: https://x.com/i/status/2070892962532180083

 

[AB]

Never mind Fleming from Burnley I would go for that nasty bugger Hanibal just what we need in midfield right now good age too

No, he’s a headless chicken. Might as well go and bring Fosu back from the Baller League.

 

[jlove]

No idea how reliable this is


View: https://x.com/i/status/2070892962532180083

Two seasons ago this may’ve been realistic!

 

[AB]

Not sure I put too much stock in the recent links. All players on the other side of 25(Anthony, Flemming, Chavaria) and relatively low growth potential. If they're cheap and depth players, that's fine. But if these are genuinely where we are shopping I have some concerns. I know we haven't lost much from last season(yet) and we are getting a handful of players back from injury that should be able to lift us a bit... but I'm just seeing targets meant to maintain the team's quality, not much to push it forward.

It is possible that the club feels our underlying quality is actually good and that depth at a similar level would have made the difference between where we finished and 4th or 5th even with the bedding in Keith needed.

With El Sala and previous big name near misses we’ve had I think that combines with a willingness to go up a level investing in young players with very high ceilings who are already at a high enough level that after a relatively short easing in can perform in the PL in the coming season. We will get one of these guys one day and the key to doing it regularly is just making the small step up to regular EL qualification. I know it felt like a rather flat run in last season which the usual suspects on Twitter whined about but the margin for us to have finished above both Sunderland and Brighton was for Thiago or Schade to have not had their penalties against each saved. That’s it, one slightly better taken penalty over an entire season.

We also do have both a crop of highly rated attacking youngsters in Donovan, Furo and Bentt, a load of excellent young defenders who did well in challenging loans, and about £50m worth of Carvalho and Milambo who should be fit for next season.

There are still areas to strengthen, particularly in midfield but the step up in cost for ready upgrades to Jensen and Janelt is eyewatering when you see how much Elliot Anderson has just gone for.

Re Wilson, I can see a value in having am experienced and canny striker in the group when we’re looking to develop a whole bunch of young attacking players. I don’t think he’s as much of a fitness gamble as Nelson or even DCL was for Leeds.

 

[Bill Benn]

No, he’s a headless chicken. Might as well go and bring Fosu back from the Baller League.

Think there will be plenty of offers from PL clubs

 

[AB]

Think there will be plenty of offers from PL clubs

More fool them.