Quansah gets TWO game ban for red card

[Kingston Bee]

@Garybaldbee has answered it

Ok thanks, so its the third worst tackle of the tournament so far, feel so much more happier now.

 

[Garybaldbee]

No? Please explain how that works. The American guy gets his ban suspended for a year and ours gets what was assumed to be a one match ban extended to two. The two offences were almost identical. While you're at it could you explain why the foul on Salah wasn't even looked at by VAR when the Argentinians broke away and scored the winner.
Oh and you can chuck in the joke penalty against Kane, the totally unbiased 3 South American VAR officials and the 2 extra minutes played on top of the 11 resulting in two more Mexican corners. Have fun!

Who assumed it was going to be a one match ban? I didn't, and nor did anybody who has been following what has happened with other suspensions in this tournament. The public was let down by the media who set expectations by referring to it as a one match ban when they should have said 'at least' a one match ban. I've already provided two examples of bans longer than that without even looking very hard.

The Balogun suspension is a clear case of corruption. That is easy to identify because it was demonstrably contrary to the rules. But your other examples are all subjective calls. Even the amount of stoppage time a ref chooses to add on is based on things like their perception of time wasting. I may disagree with some of those interpretations but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are so profoundly obviously wrong that they are evidence of corruption or conspiracy.

Refs miss things, they make mistakes, they interpret things differently. That doesn't automatically mean they are conspiring against our team. It just means they are human beings.

 

[nick logan]

Who assumed it was going to be a one match ban? I didn't, and nor did anybody who has been following what has happened with other suspensions in this tournament. The public was let down by the media who set expectations by referring to it as a one match ban when they should have said 'at least' a one match ban. I've already provided two examples of bans longer than that without even looking very hard.

The Balogun suspension is a clear case of corruption. That is easy to identify because it was demonstrably contrary to the rules. But your other examples are all subjective calls. Even the amount of stoppage time a ref chooses to add on is based on things like their perception of time wasting. I may disagree with some of those interpretations but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are so profoundly obviously wrong that they are evidence of corruption or conspiracy.

Refs miss things, they make mistakes, they interpret things differently. That doesn't automatically mean they are conspiring against our team. It just means they are human beings.

Why wasn’t Messi sent off in first game ?

 

[BURFORD BEE]

No suggestion of corruption from me. Just a sh*t decision from people who haven’t played football.

(And @BURFORD BEE , Kane’s challenge was definitely a penalty - we’ve seen these given several times before. I’m racking my brains to remember the game but I seem to think we have been a beneficiary of an almost identical offence.)

It was the Modric challenge in the Croatia game against Madueke. That was the other wasn't.
I'll take Alan Shearer's judgement over yours thanks

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Who assumed it was going to be a one match ban? I didn't, and nor did anybody who has been following what has happened with other suspensions in this tournament. The public was let down by the media who set expectations by referring to it as a one match ban when they should have said 'at least' a one match ban. I've already provided two examples of bans longer than that without even looking very hard.

The Balogun suspension is a clear case of corruption. That is easy to identify because it was demonstrably contrary to the rules. But your other examples are all subjective calls. Even the amount of stoppage time a ref chooses to add on is based on things like their perception of time wasting. I may disagree with some of those interpretations but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are so profoundly obviously wrong that they are evidence of corruption or conspiracy.

Refs miss things, they make mistakes, they interpret things differently. That doesn't automatically mean they are conspiring against our team. It just means they are human beings.

If we are fortunate enough to beat Norway we will meet Argentina. There's no way the Swiss will be allowed to beat them. I look forward to hearing your opinions after that game should it take place.

 

[Gawain]

I'll take Alan Shearer's judgement over yours thanks

I think I see a small flaw in your argument

 

[Gee Bee]

As far as I can understand, a red card is an automatic ban for the next match then the disciplinary committee decides what further ban is necessary depending on the offence. I really don't think there's anything out of the ordinary other than the Balagun farce.

The additional offence was because fans were singing wrong song and doing a famous YMCA jig!!

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

It was the Modric challenge in the Croatia game against Madueke. That was the other wasn't.
I'll take Alan Shearer's judgement over yours thanks

I meant Brentford. (And Shesrer was a better player than pundit ).

 

[LostBee]

FIFA don't want England to win a WC.

That's the reason that they won't let us host another one, they know we'd be hard to beat in our own backyard.

That and we don't offer bribes.

They will always do anything that they can to disrupt our progress.

f*** 'em.

 

[Garybaldbee]

If we are fortunate enough to beat Norway we will meet Argentina. There's no way the Swiss will be allowed to beat them. I look forward to hearing your opinions after that game should it take place.

Unless Infantino dashes onto the pitch wearing a blue and white striped shirt and nods in an injury time winner for Argentina its vanishingly unlikely that anything would change my mind. A long career working with politicians in a public body made me understand that it's (nearly) always cock up and not conspiracy.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

FIFA don't want England to win a WC.

Welcome news. We’ve been running out of excuses for failure for decades now. This will add to the repertoire.

 

[Garybaldbee]

Why wasn’t Messi sent off in first game ?

Why wasn't João Pedro sent off when he tried to decapitate Yarmo? Why wasn't Romero sent off twice against us last season? Why wasn't Collins (was it him?) sent off for what most neutrals considered a red card offence when he pulled down Mbeumo in front of goal?

As I said, Refs miss things, make mistakes and differ in their interpretations. That's all.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

FIFA don't want England to win a WC.

That's the reason that they won't let us host another one, they know we'd be hard to beat in our own backyard.

That and we don't offer bribes.

They will always do anything that they can to disrupt our progress.

f*** 'em.

FIFA know that England is a huge money spinner for them, we are one of the biggest sides in world football.

 

[grepo]

Bloody hell, I thought this was our ex-player smiler Konsa, playing for England.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Unless Infantino dashes into the pitch wearing a blue and white striped shirt and nods in an injury time winner for Argentina its vanishingly unlikely that anything would change my mind. A long career working with politicians in a public body made me understand that it's (nearly) always cock up and not conspiracy.

Seriously?
Political arguments isn't allowed on here so I'll leave it at that!

 

[Gawain]

FIFA don't want England to win a World Cup, but only because they don't want any European country to do so - see eg UEFA only getting 3 of the 16 extra places at these Finals, with a bunch of African/Asian/CONCACAF no-hopers getting the nod instead. Indeed, if some African or Asian country should win it, they would trumpet that as proof of what a great job they're doing to spread the Beautiful Game worldwide.

Which is explained in turn, by Infantino & Co getting voted into power by one Member Association One Vote in FIFA, so that eg Comoros or New Caledonia has as much a say as England, Germany or Spain. And how does Infantino "persuade" all those guys to vote for him? Easy, he distributes as much of FIFA's money (that he isn't keeping back for himself) to these Member Associations. And whether that goes beyond the latter's Officials to the game itself is another matter, but not one that concerns Infantino.

Of course the bulk of that money comes from Europe, but to be able to "poke UEFA in the eye" with it only adds to Infantino's pleasure. Which is why UEFA hate him, but he doesn't/needn't care, because he's got the whole of Africa and Asia etc in his pocket - the one where he keeps his wallet, that is.

One further worrying aspect is that up until 3 OR 4 years ago, the (10) South American Member Associations in CONMEBOL were also equally pissed off with Infantino and were cooperating with UEFA to build a counter bloc. For example, the two Federations opened a joint representative office in London, while they also made plans to have a Europe vs South America challenge for the Euro and Copa America champions.

I don't know what happened to that, but I noticed that earlier this year, CONMEBOL peeled off from UEFA and rolled in behind the rest of FIFA in some important vote which passed, leaving UEFA completely isolated.

Depressing stuff.

 

[GuyBee]

If they're out to rig the World Cup so England don't win it or someone else does, I imagine they'd contrive a better player than Quansah to get a red card and a nice big ban. Enjoy the hysterics anyway.

You are right

Enjoy Rice and Bellingham's yellows in the next game to rule them out of a potential semi with Argentina

 

[Jay Bee]

It was the Modric challenge in the Croatia game against Madueke. That was the other wasn't.
I'll take Alan Shearer's judgement over yours thanks

Every single pundit I've heard and read apart from Shearer thought that was a penalty. So you're choosing to hold him up as the only one worthy of making that judgement, because he happens to agree with you?

I thought it was pretty harsh myself at time but it's clear I was not calling it correctly based on the laws of football as they're interpreted in 2026.

 

[Jay Bee]

One further worrying aspect is that up until 3 OR 4 years ago, the (10) South American Member Associations in CONMEBOL were also equally pissed off with Infantino and were cooperating with UEFA to build a counter bloc. For example, the two Federations opened a joint representative office in London, while they also made plans to have a Europe vs South America challenge for the Euro and Copa America champions.

I don't know what happened to that, but I noticed that earlier this year, CONMEBOL peeled off from UEFA and rolled in behind the rest of FIFA in some important vote which passed, leaving UEFA completely isolated.

Depressing stuff.

CONMBEO were due to join the UEFA Nations League too but I don't know whatever happened to that

UEFA Nations League: South American teams set to join in 2024 after talks between UEFA and CONMEBOL

UEFA vice-president Zbigniew Boniek said the 10 South American countries will join the Nations League in 2024; the revamped Nations League would represent direct competition to FIFAs plans for a World Cup every two years

www.skysports.com

The challenge match is the Finalissima, The men's was staged in 2022 but the 2026 edition was scheduled in Qatar and then cancelled. The women also played a Finalissima in 2023 and are expected to play again this year (the same two teams, England v Brazil).

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Every single pundit I've heard and read apart from Shearer thought that was a penalty. So you're choosing to hold him up as the only one worthy of making that judgement, because he happens to agree with you?

I thought it was pretty harsh myself at time but it's clear I was not calling it correctly based on the laws of football as they're interpreted in 2026.

Yes

 

[Carri Bee Un]

It's actually what I asked for. Sorry if someone else already made the same gag bit late for meeting

 

[SpiderBee]

FIFA don't want England to win a WC.

That's the reason that they won't let us host another one, they know we'd be hard to beat in our own backyard.

That and we don't offer bribes.

They will always do anything that they can to disrupt our progress.

f*** 'em.

FFS

 

[nick logan]

Who assumed it was going to be a one match ban? I didn't, and nor did anybody who has been following what has happened with other suspensions in this tournament. The public was let down by the media who set expectations by referring to it as a one match ban when they should have said 'at least' a one match ban. I've already provided two examples of bans longer than that without even looking very hard.

The Balogun suspension is a clear case of corruption. That is easy to identify because it was demonstrably contrary to the rules. But your other examples are all subjective calls. Even the amount of stoppage time a ref chooses to add on is based on things like their perception of time wasting. I may disagree with some of those interpretations but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are so profoundly obviously wrong that they are evidence of corruption or conspiracy.

Refs miss things, they make mistakes, they interpret things differently. That doesn't automatically mean they are conspiring against our team. It just means they are human beings.

So VAR should correct their mistakes not ignore them seeing as that’s what it’s supposed to be there for . Instead “ they “ now get 2 chances to favour the big clubs / nations .

 

[Jay Bee]

FIFA don't want England to win a WC.

That's the reason that they won't let us host another one, they know we'd be hard to beat in our own backyard.

That and we don't offer bribes.

They will always do anything that they can to disrupt our progress.

f*** 'em.

Surprised it's taken 60 years of us not winning the World Cup for big corruption to get the blame, tbh.

 

[nick logan]

Surprised it's taken 60 years of us not winning the World Cup for big corruption to get the blame, tbh.

Did you miss Maradonas hand of **** ?

 

[Jay Bee]

Did you miss Maradonas hand of **** ?

I don't remember anyone saying he got away with it because "FIFA don't want England to win a World Cup".

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Every single pundit I've heard and read apart from Shearer thought that was a penalty. So you're choosing to hold him up as the only one worthy of making that judgement, because he happens to agree with you?

I thought it was pretty harsh myself at time but it's clear I was not calling it correctly based on the laws of football as they're interpreted in 2026.

The ref didn't give it. VAR did. They had sod all reason to get involved as it wasn't a " clear and obvious error"

 

[Jay Bee]

The ref didn't give it. VAR did. They had sod all reason to get involved as it wasn't a " clear and obvious error"

So VAR sometimes gives us confusing and inconsistent outcomes?

 

[ladbroke]

There has been 13 red cards this tournament (every one of them being straight red cards).
8 of them have had to come with VAR intervention.
Its astonishing that refs are missing this much in real time.
No double yellows in the 97 (including last nights game) is a surprise when, on average, one double yellow occurs around every 16 games in the top 10 world leagues.

Refereeing has been very hit and miss this whole tournament. That we can (unfortunately) accept. Mistakes can happen.

What the wider world are disliking is the inconsistencies of the hierarchy. 13 red cards and only 1 suspended suspension.... to the host nation after a series of very public complaints and some phone calls.
Why is FIFA getting involved with suspensions etc when everyone knew the score from day 1 with regarding suspensions.
Changing goalposts from the boardroom mid tournament is the thing that has people pissed off.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

So VAR sometimes gives us confusing and inconsistent outcomes?

That isn't the point!
If the ref saw it and considered it ok which he did then it wastes clear and obvious error.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

I don't remember anyone saying he got away with it because "FIFA don't want England to win a World Cup".

I truly admire your innocence

 

[Jay Bee]

I truly admire your innocence

Lovely tinfoil had you've got there, must be warm in this weather though

 

[The Pipe]

Can’t believe all this conspiracy theories on here. Infantino has, without doubt, shown that he is not exactly a beacon of trust and honesty with his actions regarding the USA red card. Take that action out of the equation and nothing has really happened that has not been seen in previous World Cups.

Some “ interesting “ refereeing decisions and I have no doubt an unconscious bias towards some players and teams: again something seen in previous World Cups.

Are FIFA corrupt? Doubt anyone would disagree, is Infantino corrupt ? Quite probably but giving him the benefit of doubt at best he can be called incompetent.

We see on the EPL that the “ big clubs” always get the benefit of the doubt on decisions and the bar for taking actions is higher than that faced by the “ smaller clubs”. England are seen as a “ big club” as are France Argentina etc and in all honesty I have seen no evidence that any team are being guided through the competition by the suits in FIFA.

Incompetence by officials is a given and we are seeing a lot of evidence of this but no conspiracies

 

[jlove]

It’s a bit like “no-one likes us, we don’t care”!

 

[Gawain]

Can’t believe all this conspiracy theories on here. Infantino has, without doubt, shown that he is not exactly a beacon of trust and honesty with his actions regarding the USA red card. Take that action out of the equation and nothing has really happened that has not been seen in previous World Cups.

Some “ interesting “ refereeing decisions and I have no doubt an unconscious bias towards some players and teams: again something seen in previous World Cups.

Are FIFA corrupt? Doubt anyone would disagree, is Infantino corrupt ? Quite probably but giving him the benefit of doubt at best he can be called incompetent.

We see on the EPL that the “ big clubs” always get the benefit of the doubt on decisions and the bar for taking actions is higher than that faced by the “ smaller clubs”. England are seen as a “ big club” as are France Argentina etc and in all honesty I have seen no evidence that any team are being guided through the competition by the suits in FIFA.

Incompetence by officials is a given and we are seeing a lot of evidence of this but no conspiracies

Agree with all of that, bar the question mark after: "is Infantino corrupt?"

If you can get round the paywall, this gives just one ex-insider's expert view:
I'm a Fifa whistleblower - here's how Infantino keeps his grip on football

Or if not, this:
Gianni Infantino - 10 years as Fifa president

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Lovely tinfoil had you've got there, must be warm in this weather though

No idea of your age but are you aware of shenanigans in the Mexico World Cup in 1970?

 

[badgerbee]

If there's a "conspiracy" against England, why wasnt an "easy"/obvious penalty given for Konsa challenge in the Ghana game??

 

[Jay Bee]

No idea of your age but are you aware of shenanigans in the Mexico World Cup in 1970?

Before I was born, but yes I have read all about it, Bobby Moore and the bracelet etc.

Definitely unhelpful to England's preparation - but even that I don't think anyone could pin that on FIFA and their "agenda" against England.... just local mischief.

 

[Jay Bee]

If there's a "conspiracy" against England, why wasnt an "easy"/obvious penalty given for Konsa challenge in the Ghana game??

And why are we so often knocked out in penalty shoot outs, rather than by refereeing decisions?
Notwithstanding we did have a slightly dodgy goal disallowed in 2004 and a bigger dodgy one in 2010 etc.

 

[Banana]

Tuchal just said that they have not been advised the reasons why this was an extended ban.

 

[Hullbee]

Why wasn’t Messi sent off in first game ?

Cos the ref didn’t show him a red card

 

[Untouchable]

Tuchal just said that they have not been advised the reasons why this was an extended ban.

The lack of transparency from FIFA is astonishing.

 

[True Bee]

All the European nations should stick together and demand Infantino resigns or they'll boycott the next world cup, that would have Fifa running for cover !!!!!

 

[Banana]

All the European nations should stick together and demand Infantino resigns or they'll boycott the next world cup, that would have Fifa running for cover !!!!!

Too much money involved. It will never happen.

 

[Garybaldbee]

All the European nations should stick together and demand Infantino resigns or they'll boycott the next world cup, that would have Fifa running for cover !!!!!

Spain and Portugal might have some reservations about that.....

 

[nick logan]

The lack of transparency from FIFA is astonishing.

It’s not really . Always been corrupt . Some seriously rich people thanks to the courting of votes by FIFA

 

[JJbee]

Unless Infantino dashes onto the pitch wearing a blue and white striped shirt and nods in an injury time winner for Argentina its vanishingly unlikely that anything would change my mind. A long career working with politicians in a public body made me understand that it's (nearly) always cock up and not conspiracy.

If there is no corruption within FIFA, then why do they not demonstrate it with more transparency. This can be achieved similar to the change with the olympics years ago, who use to be corrupt as FIFA still are (in my opinion)

It’s been fairly well covered by the British media around FIFA’s lack of transparency and corruption around World Cup bidding (hence the dislike from Blagger Blatter of our press)

I am not saying that these decisions are necessarily ‘corruption’ (besides Baloguns, as it is). However, if there is a lack of transparency, it creates little trust and then everything is put into question. I don’t trust them at all and within a correctly run organisation the Balogun fiasco should see job losses and enquiries from an independent reviewer. Let’s see your reasoning then FIFA, be transparent!

I’m sorry but I feel you should not look at this Balogun farce so blindly.

 

[Gee Bee]

Before I was born, but yes I have read all about it, Bobby Moore and the bracelet etc.

Definitely unhelpful to England's preparation - but even that I don't think anyone could pin that on FIFA and their "agenda" against England.... just local mischief.

Plus head of FIFA at that time was English

 

[gbems92]

Such a blatant and serious offence that it needed var to give it. The ref didn't even give a foul!

 

[whyteleafebee76]

If Balogun's red hadn't been suspended following that call from Trump there would not be as much noise about this.

There have been examples of bans being increased in this tournament so nothing new there but coming so soon after Balogun having his ban suspended it obviously gets people riled up.