Tommy Black

[Banana]

I reckon there isn't too much risk.

If Fitzgerald goes for a month

That's the risk.

Whether Black's wages for a month are too much risk depends on how much they are and how much commercial income is ahead of budget.

Fitzgerald's wages shouldn't come into it.

Of course Leroy may have been told that Black can come in only if Fitz goes......

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Its always if's with Brentford

Every signing a club makes is a risk. :shrug:

 

[RodBee]

Every signing a club makes is a risk. :shrug:

Spoken like a true pessimist!

ideally qualified to be a Brentford fan!!!

 

[YorkshireBeeAng]

We need a CM more than a winger.

Of course we need a winger, all the games i've seen so far we bunch up in the centre and opposing teams just keep the ball wide to confuse us.
Let's hope we can keep him for longer than a month.

 

[BUBSBEE]

Les Beeavinu is a wise old soul on occasions (pessimist is a tad harsh l feel ) Wasn't he suggesting the loaning out of our fringe staff recently was flagging up a substantive loanee deal. It also suggests ( if true ) that LR and team ARE working hard behind the scenes and deserve our continued support. The next 3 / 4 games however do look season defining in terms of morale both on and off the pitch.
Keep the faith

 

[West Ealing Bee]

If Fitzgerald goes for a month to be repalced by Black, I would imagine the difference to budget barely stretches to £1000, if at all. If he helps get us to the next round of the cup, or a few better performances gets more bums on seats, then I reckon there isn't too much risk.

Les, are you suggesting Basingstoke might be paying Fitzgerald more than £1,000 a week :scratch: lol

 

[Simon C]

Les, are you suggesting Basingstoke might be paying Fitzgerald more than £1,000 a week :scratch: lol

Maybe he's there for 3 months? :shrug:

 

[West Ealing Bee]

Maybe he's there for 3 months? :shrug:

Les' quote is: "If Fitzgerald goes for a month". :shrug:

There is no way this signing can be anything other than costing us money.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Les' quote is: "If Fitzgerald goes for a month". :shrug:

There is no way this signing can be anything other than costing us money.

Then let's not spend it and lose the next four matches.

 

[jmcp]

Les' quote is: "If Fitzgerald goes for a month". :shrug:

There is no way this signing can be anything other than costing us money.

Do you ever get to interview Leroy mate? If possible could you suggest maybe a midfield general is whats lacking and how many players he intends to bring in before rectifying this area. Black is a good player and will hopefully add something but this is typical of Leroys lack of understanding how to put together a team in my opinion.

 

[Simon C]

Les' quote is: "If Fitzgerald goes for a month". :shrug:

There is no way this signing can be anything other than costing us money.

I agree, I was mickey taking Les by the way.

Leroy has been chipping away at the budget by loaning out Ide, Rhodes, Charles, etc. and reducing hotel costs but I'm not sure it will cover the money being talked about for Black. There's also the problem that if he does make an impact in his month how do we not keep him for longer?

 

[Leonardo]

A good player and I remember being very disappointed that he didn't join us (jn the days before when money didn't seem to matter). However as NLB says is he match fit? Although if Leory and Griffin went to Palace reserves I guess they were checking that out.

 

[Dangerous]

Excelllent news just what we need at this stage hopefully he can put some pride in the midfield playing around him.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

There is no way this signing can be anything other than costing us money.

Regardless of the income it brings in?

You look at the opinion here on this signing. "At last", "class player" etc. Some people may therefore be more inclined to turn up on Saturday and who knows, if we win, we might get more the following Saturday. And if we win the next four, the feeling of gloom that is around the place might be lifted and the players might respond accordingly. Every signing is a risk but the alternative is putting up with a load of sh*te under-performing players and the continued dwindling of support.

 

[Pauly Paul]

Are events going to mirror those of Alan Pardew in his early days at West Ham in the Championship? The supporters saying he must go then they sneak into playoffs and uppety up?

 

[West Ealing Bee]

Then let's not spend it and lose the next four matches.

Regardless of the income it brings in?

You look at the opinion here on this signing. "At last", "class player" etc. Some people may therefore be more inclined to turn up on Saturday and who knows, if we win, we might get more the following Saturday. And if we win the next four, the feeling of gloom that is around the place might be lifted and the players might respond accordingly. Every signing is a risk but the alternative is putting up with a load of sh*te under-performing players and the continued dwindling of support.

Whoooooooooaaaaaaaaaa there.

Calm to a panic Les.

In no way did I suggest we shouldn't be making the signing, if you read my first post on the thread you'll see I think it'll be a good signing.

However, you seemed to be indicating that getting rid of Fitzgerald to Basingstoke for a month would pay Black's wages. IMHO you are miles off as if Basingstoke are paying anything it wouldn't cover Black's wages.

We need players in, no question, but let's not kid ourselves that we are doing anything other than throwing more money at the problem which we simply can't afford in an attempt to arrest our slump.

 

[West Ealing Bee]

Do you ever get to interview Leroy mate? If possible could you suggest maybe a midfield general is whats lacking and how many players he intends to bring in before rectifying this area.

I attend press conferences infrequently, although more often at away matches, and can ask these questions.

He has said on ocassions he needs to bring in players and I remember seeing something that he wanted another central midfield player, although he has never said that to me at any time.

I guess it's purely a question of what is available and where the gap needs plugging urgently.

I would suggest that we have not looked like having a good left sided player at any point this season, yet Oli, Pinault and Mousinho have all shown they can do a job in the centre if they are on their game. Perhaps he has faith that with a better outlet wide a central player might not be needed and that the three above can up their game and do the job that is needed.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

We need players in, no question, but let's not kid ourselves that we are doing anything other than throwing more money at the problem which we simply can't afford in an attempt to arrest our slump.

We can't afford to keep on losing the amount of money that we currently are.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

A good signing, I don't understand why he isn't back at Gillingham but I'm happy.

 

[West Ealing Bee]

We can't afford to keep on losing the amount of money that we currently are.

Yes, I know that. And we can't afford to keep losing games. I'm not disputing that we need more players in but I am disputing that this might not cost us more money on wages with Fitzgerald's departure, it almost certainly will.

However I would counter that by saying it increases our chances of picking up prize money this Saturday.

But our financial position means we cannot continue to throw money at this problem and hope things improve, unless our directors/investors are stumping it up.

 

[jmcp]

I attend press conferences infrequently, although more often at away matches, and can ask these questions.

He has said on ocassions he needs to bring in players and I remember seeing something that he wanted another central midfield player, although he has never said that to me at any time.

I guess it's purely a question of what is available and where the gap needs plugging urgently.

I would suggest that we have not looked like having a good left sided player at any point this season, yet Oli, Pinault and Mousinho have all shown they can do a job in the centre if they are on their game. Perhaps he has faith that with a better outlet wide a central player might not be needed and that the three above can up their game and do the job that is needed.

I hope your right but with Oli not playing well, him seemingly not liking Pinault at present and Mounsiho im afraid out his depth in the middle i think it is crying out for strengthing there. If they up there game maybe we have a chance but im not entirely convinced hope to be proven wrong.

Allen seemed to be able to find quick stop gap measures in that position in Lawrence and Lewis so im sure you can find them.

 

[West Ealing Bee]

Allen seemed to be able to find quick stop gap measures in that position in Lawrence and Lewis so im sure you can find them.

It's nothing to do with me :shrug:

 

[Gee Bee]

Allen seemed to be able to find quick stop gap measures in that position in Lawrence and Lewis so im sure you can find them.

Both of whom languished un-selected or on the bench, whist continuing to pay them a wage. Lawrences best game was at right back too.

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

this is great news. weren't we after him a few years back. excellent. will they let him play in the cup?

 

[rebus]

Some people may therefore be more inclined to turn up on Saturday

No-one is going to turn up just because we've signed Tommy Black FFS; the weather on the day will have a bigger impact.

 

[GABS]

Lots of good points have been made above so only a few new comments I have to add. The possible combination of Black and Kuffour down the left/inside left might be very interesting indeed if what I have heard of him is true.

Likewise if we now have quality corners coming in the big man Mr.Heywood will have to be pushed up for each delivery.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

No-one is going to turn up just because we've signed Tommy Black FFS; the weather on the day will have a bigger impact.

Nobody is going to turn up because we've signed Tommy Black but they might turn up if we they think that we stand a better chance of winning.

 

[GABS]

No-one is going to turn up just because we've signed Tommy Black FFS; the weather on the day will have a bigger impact.

Personally my DAY LONG pre-marriage course will have a much greater influence

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

No-one is going to turn up just because we've signed Tommy Black FFS; the weather on the day will have a bigger impact.

nonsense you F**ham fool, i might turn up now, Blackie is my favourite Brentford player. CHAPMAN OUT

 

[rebus]

nonsense you F**ham fool, i might turn up now, Blackie is my favourite Brentford player. CHAPMAN OUT

lol

 

[jmcp]

Both of whom languished un-selected or on the bench, whist continuing to pay them a wage. Lawrences best game was at right back too.

In a team that was doing well but just needed bit of adding too, this isnt the case now and Lewis of last season would walk into Leroys starting eleven now.

 

[Gee Bee]

Lewis of last season would walk into Leroys starting eleven now.

What about the Lewis of this season who has been turning out for Edgware Town and coaching and playing reserves at MK Dons.

 

[TW3Bee]

A question that only one person, I think, has asked is will he be able to play on Saturday?

Reading some of the quotes from Palace fans would suggest that he is not part of Peter Taylor's plans and they will let him play in the cup game against Donny.

We must be careful not to be put to much pressure on the poor lad and make him out to be a savior of our season.

 

[Banana]

A question that only one person, I think, has asked is will he be able to play on Saturday?

As the story says. It's unlikely we would be signing him NOW if he wasn't going to play for the first 10 days of his month's loan.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

A question that only one person, I think, has asked is will he be able to play on Saturday?

Reading some of the quotes from Palace fans would suggest that he is not part of Peter Taylor's plans and they will let him play in the cup game against Donny.

We must be careful not to be put to much pressure on the poor lad and make him out to be a savior of our season.

It's been suggested that the timing means he can play but of course, the actual signing itself hasn't been confirmed yet. Informed speculation at best at the moment.

Also, as NLB says earlier, fitness may be a concern 'cos he hasn't played much football this season.

 

[Dangerous]

I may go now due to this signing.
Chapman Out

 

[hanworthbee]

we build these players up to be the messiah just like we did with Oli and Lloyd, we shouldnt expect so much

 

[Dangerous]

we build these players up to be the messiah just like we did with Oli and Lloyd, we shouldnt expect so much

It could have been any player coming in who ever it may be, but he will be a breath of fresh air to us fans who have seen the bees on the road this season, a bunch of gutless fing turds is to kind of a word for them and hopefully our new man may play with a bit of heart for the rest to learn from.

 

[Brickie Chap]

I may go now due to this signing.
Chapman Out

Well done if you do but not enough to get me to part with £20.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Also, as NLB says earlier, fitness may be a concern 'cos he hasn't played much football this season.

Having watched us on the road this season his fitness doesn't worry me if you get my meaning.

If you change the letter f in fit to sh to describe our current midfield then Tommy getting knackered at 70 minutes or so will be a godsend.

 

[good minton]

After hearing this news I will definitely go to a pub near the ground to ask how he played. Chapman Out.

 

[I Predict A Riot]

After hearing this news I will definitely go to a pub near the ground to ask how he played. Chapman Out.

:laugh:

 

[havelockbee]

I had no intention of going saturday, but will go now. I dont think for one minute it will bring any new fans in, but it has helped change my view as a wavering regular.

 

[jmcp]

What about the Lewis of this season who has been turning out for Edgware Town and coaching and playing reserves at MK Dons.

You really dont seem to get it do you? Im referring to a player like Lewis not literally him! God i imagine this is what its like trying to explain things to Leroy. I know we all have our own opinion but to me having a successful league one season is about being solid as a team. Allen did this very well especially in his first full season when we got in the playoffs without even having much of a goal difference. I

If you go away to places like Rotherham, Chesterfield Oldham etc with solid players in the middle like Talbot, Hargreaves, Lewis you know what you will get from them and you will grind out results. Our current midfield you dont have that so maybe im missing something but surely when your struggling at the bottom and points are even more vital ,players in this mould are a much higher priority than say a striker like Clyde. Then again maybe you and Leroy are right

 

[KGB]

The next month is absolutely key to our season - a home FA Cup tie & vital league fixtures against teams 'in trouble' like us. The next 4 games are 'must win' imo, and also should be classed 'winnable' if we hope to stay up.

It is therefore the time to make - hopefully - a relatively small additional investment to try to achieve those wins & give us a chance of avoiding relegation. If our current run continues through this period, I believe that relegation is a formality & maybe by the New Year we accept the inevitable & invest nothing further in the squad. But if we are to risk an overspend the time to do it is now.

Black at least has some experience, is a feisty little player & did well at Gillingham last year. On song he is a good acquistion. The downside may be his fitness level as he seems to have played v few games this season.

 

[Simon C]

Still waiting

 

[Gee Bee]

You really dont seem to get it do you? Im referring to a player like Lewis not literally him! God i imagine this is what its like trying to explain things to Leroy. I know we all have our own opinion but to me having a successful league one season is about being solid as a team. Allen did this very well especially in his first full season when we got in the playoffs without even having much of a goal difference. I

If you go away to places like Rotherham, Chesterfield Oldham etc with solid players in the middle like Talbot, Hargreaves, Lewis you know what you will get from them and you will grind out results. Our current midfield you dont have that so maybe im missing something but surely when your struggling at the bottom and points are even more vital ,players in this mould are a much higher priority than say a striker like Clyde. Then again maybe you and Leroy are right

I do get it, you want at least one other central midfield player, someone of the calibre of Lewis & Lawrence when they were with us. Players who couldn't dislodge players of Talbots & Hargreaves calibre. Personally I think we need someone better than that. Plus, as I have said on other threads our current midfield might be more affective if we didn't defend so deep, which we didn't under MA apart from when we were hanging on to 1-0's inthe 2nd half of games. We should condense the play, allowing our midfield more chance and with less ground to cover, win more 2nd balls. We currently leave the opposition too much space to work in and attack from. If you had a Talbot or Lewis in there, they wouldn't be anymore effective than what we have, simply because their legs wouldn't be able to cover all the open spaces we currently allow the opposition to have. So my argument is that our problem is actually defensive, and if you improve their set up that in turn might help our midfield to improve their games.

 

[Bigbee]

Hes gone to Bournemouth

Why did " we " start a thread based on pure speculation? His availability has now been hi-lighted to all and hes now heading off to the South Coast with his bucket and spade

 

[Banana]

I wonder where clubcall get their news

http://www.clubcall.com/index.jsp?storyID=297886

Bees eye midfielder
08-11-2006 13:24
Brentford are being linked with a loan swoop for Crystal Palace midfielder Tommy Black.
The 27-year-old has featured in just one game for the Eagles so far this season, the Carling Cup defeat to Notts County in August.
The Bees League One rivals Blackpool were hoping to sign the former Arsenal trainee earlier this season, but he rejected the opportunity to move north for family reasons.
Black spent four months on loan at Gillingham earlier in the year and scored five goals in 17 league games.

 

[Thorne In The Side]

I know of a further 28 people from work that are going solely because of Tommy Black - Chapman Out.