AFC Wimbledon's "Attitude" (Split Thread)

[BatterseaBee]

I can well believe the figure from the real Dons, the whole reason they exist is because they have a relatively large, loyal fanbase. I hope we'll be playing them in a few years and I hope we are still fan owned by then!

 

[Banana]

I can well believe the figure from the real Dons, the whole reason they exist is because they have a relatively large, loyal fanbase. I hope we'll be playing them in a few years and I hope we are still fan owned by then!

I don't hope for BFC to play non-league football!

 

[brighton bee]

I don't hope for BFC to play non-league football!

I am pretty sure his point was that AFC may be promoted to the same league as us within a few years - and with their level of support, than why not!?

 

[rebus]

I hope we'll be playing them in a few years

I certainly hope not. They are in our same catchment area and will nick potential supporters from us. I don't understand this shower of goodwill towards a team that could stunt our business growth.

 

[Guildford Bee]

I certainly hope not. They are in our same catchment area and will nick potential supporters from us. I don't understand this shower of goodwill towards a team that could stunt our business growth.

I don't understand this shower of goodwill to a club that has become one of the most arrogant in the land in recent years, treating others around them with nothing but contempt.

Back to topic, I renewed my season ticket earlier this week...

 

[south coast bees]

I don't understand this shower of goodwill to a club that has become one of the most arrogant in the land in recent years, treating others around them with nothing but contempt.

Back to topic, I renewed my season ticket earlier this week...

A stupid statement with no facts or can you correct me please.

 

[eghambee]

I don't understand this shower of goodwill to a club that has become one of the most arrogant in the land in recent years, treating others around them with nothing but contempt.

Anyone at Staines last year would have heard and seen how their fans appreciated going to a 'poxy little ground'.

Also, knowing one of their ex players who tells me stories of their fans and manager!

 

[wanderer paul]

A stupid statement with no facts or can you correct me please.

go on football forums where the clubs have just played AFC and you will find out why.

 

[macsalisbee]

go on football forums where the clubs have just played AFC and you will find out why.

A mate of mine is a Hampton fan and said the AFC fans were well over the top in their celebrations at Beveree.

He's glad to see the back of them, even though they'll lose a big crowd

 

[south coast bees]

A mate of mine is a Hampton fan and said the AFC fans were well over the top in their celebrations at Beveree.

He's glad to see the back of them, even though they'll lose a big crowd

How can you be well over the top after getting promotion?,what did they do that every other team didn't do after getting promotion or escaping relegration?, it sounds like your Hampton fan is pissed off from missing out again.
I for one wish them well,perhaps alot of other clubs should use them as a role model instead of looking at them with green eyes.

 

[Brentford St George]

A stupid statement with no facts or can you correct me please.

AFC Wimbledon are widely regarded in footballing non league circles as one of the most arrogant around.They have won themsleves few fans with their contempt and behaviour towards other clubs in the last few years.

 

[Bill Benn]

AFC Wimbledon are widely regarded in footballing non league circles as one of the most arrogant around.They have won themsleves few fans with their contempt and behaviour towards other clubs in the last few years.

Like a lot of fans I have always looked for A F C Wimbledons results since they left the league and hoping they return.Having spoke to non league fans this seems to be the common view ,very arrogant.There is also a problem with the way they shafted Kingstonian over the ground although I dont know the facts on this.

 

[south coast bees]

AFC Wimbledon are widely regarded in footballing non league circles as one of the most arrogant around.They have won themsleves few fans with their contempt and behaviour towards other clubs in the last few years.

I think i can see the Green Eye Monster,People just don't like winners.
Easy to call someone arrogant,what is this contempt and behaviour AFC have shown you talk about?
They have come a long way in a very short time,other clubs have gone backwards so they look at AFC and instead of sorting themselfs out like AFC had too they look and call them names.
People don't like them but what Fan wouln't like their Club to rise up the Leagues like AFC have done.
They have the crowds that all non league Clubs dream of but it have been alot of hard work from Real Fans to get where they are,it has worked well for them and alot of clubs they have played have seen their till's gaining from a visit.
If Team like AFC Winbledon are seen as being Arrogant, I hope we are seen as the same because it means we are winning and moving forward.

 

[Lokster]

South Coast Bees,

There might be an element of truth in what you say but having had a run in with an AFC Wimbledon supporter who was attending one of our games last season I've lost a lot of sympathy with their 'holier than thou' attitude. And having spoken to a few other non-league supporters the consensus seems to be that they have wasted a lot of goodwill they once had by their attitude.

 

[Brentford St George]

I think i can see the Green Eye Monster,People just don't like winners.
Easy to call someone arrogant,what is this contempt and behaviour AFC have shown you talk about?
They have come a long way in a very short time,other clubs have gone backwards so they look at AFC and instead of sorting themselfs out like AFC had too they look and call them names.
People don't like them but what Fan wouln't like their Club to rise up the Leagues like AFC have done.
They have the crowds that all non league Clubs dream of but it have been alot of hard work from Real Fans to get where they are,it has worked well for them and alot of clubs they have played have seen their till's gaining from a visit.
If Team like AFC Winbledon are seen as being Arrogant, I hope we are seen as the same because it means we are winning and moving forward.

Who do you support Brentford or AFC Wimbledon lol

Before you start trapping off look at the facts,what they have done to Kingstonian is disgraceful

 

[Wise old Bee]

I have a lot of respect for what they have achieved on the pitch these last few seasons but I have always sensed a "holier than thou" attitude on the part of their supporters, and I have come across a few of them. I also remember some pretty arrogant posts by AFC supporters on the GPG. I wonder how many of them actually supported the old Plough Lane club?

 

[wanderer paul]

I think i can see the Green Eye Monster,People just don't like winners.
Easy to call someone arrogant,what is this contempt and behaviour AFC have shown you talk about?
They have come a long way in a very short time,other clubs have gone backwards so they look at AFC and instead of sorting themselfs out like AFC had too they look and call them names.
People don't like them but what Fan wouln't like their Club to rise up the Leagues like AFC have done.
They have the crowds that all non league Clubs dream of but it have been alot of hard work from Real Fans to get where they are,it has worked well for them and alot of clubs they have played have seen their till's gaining from a visit.
If Team like AFC Winbledon are seen as being Arrogant, I hope we are seen as the same because it means we are winning and moving forward.

what a load of old 'twaddle'.

go to a few games watching AFC, as a neutral, then as an opposition 'fan', then you'll find out why the majority of non-league supporters find them to be such arrogant arseholes.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

Who do you support Brentford or AFC Wimbledon lol

Before you start trapping off look at the facts,what they have done to Kingstonian is disgraceful

Well said AFC fans have the same sought of arrogance that Chelsea fans have. The club nearly killed Kingstonian (other factors didn't help i admit that) and they have very little loyalty to players from youth teams to the first team level.

 

[Bill Benn]

Will be interesting how their attitude fares in the blue square against the likes of Luton, Oxford wrexham ect.maybe it will bring them down to earth.

 

[hobbsy]

Will be interesting how their attitude fares in the blue square against the likes of Luton, Oxford wrexham ect.maybe it will bring them down to earth.

It could be a battle of who's the most arrogant, Oxford think they have devine right to be in the FL, I guess so will Luton.

Never had a problem with Wrexham fans.

 

[Brickie Chap]

A stupid statement with no facts or can you correct me please.

I must have misunderstood when they dumped us to play FCUM in the Supporters Direct Cup

 

[Garybaldbee]

Before you start trapping off look at the facts,what they have done to Kingstonian is disgraceful

Why do people keep on returning to this same old stale and incorrect perception? K's were on their way out of business, AFC stepped in, bought the ground and thus ensured Kingstonian's survival. They charge a relatively nominal rent and intend, as I understand it, to return the ground back to K's through one mechanism or another if/when they are able to find a home in Merton. The interests of both clubs coincided and Don's were able to help out their neighbours at the same time as helping themselves. I've no problem with that. Its a world away from, say, the intentions of QPR in 1967.

I can understand complaints about the attitude of Dons fans to a point - every club with a substantial following, including us, has its share of idiots and I'd guess that meeting Wimbledon's away support has been the first time many of their opponents will have come across this sad fact. It doesn't detract from my admiration for the achievements of the club and my fervent hope that they are back in the FL as soon as possible in order to at least partly right the worst wrong the footballing authorities have inflicted on the game in modern times (and no, I still don't intend to set foot in Franchise's ground next season. I wouldn't presume to suggest others boycott our fixture there, its just something that I feel very strongly about myself.)

I appreciate MarkBFC's point about intensification of local competition and would normally agree, but the circumstances in this instance are so exceptional that I can do nothing other than wish AFC well.

 

[Hungerford Bee]

If AFC Wimbledon want to claim the heritage of the club that used to play at Plough lane then we shoul have the same attitude to them as we did before.

For me that was to heartily dislike them and I see no reason to change that.

 

[Billy Hunt]

If AFC Wimbledon want to claim the heritage of the club that used to play at Plough lane then we should have the same attitude to them as we did before.

For me that was to heartily dislike them and I see no reason to change that.

Sounds fair to me. :shrug:

 

[Ace Face]

The only fans I have come across from WISA and then AFC supporters etc, have been really good football people and helped our campaigns to save BFC.

Every club has it`s ***** and every club has good decent fans. Eg: BU has lots of good members and it also has Eddie Rogers.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

Why do people keep on returning to this same old stale and incorrect perception? K's were on their way out of business, AFC stepped in, bought the ground and thus ensured Kingstonian's survival. They charge a relatively nominal rent and intend, as I understand it, to return the ground back to K's through one mechanism or another if/when they are able to find a home in Merton. The interests of both clubs coincided and Don's were able to help out their neighbours at the same time as helping themselves. I've no problem with that. Its a world away from, say, the intentions of QPR in 1967.

I can understand complaints about the attitude of Dons fans to a point - every club with a substantial following, including us, has its share of idiots and I'd guess that meeting Wimbledon's away support has been the first time many of their opponents will have come across this sad fact. It doesn't detract from my admiration for the achievements of the club and my fervent hope that they are back in the FL as soon as possible in order to at least partly right the worst wrong the footballing authorities have inflicted on the game in modern times (and no, I still don't intend to set foot in Franchise's ground next season. I wouldn't presume to suggest others boycott our fixture there, its just something that I feel very strongly about myself.)

I appreciate MarkBFC's point about intensification of local competition and would normally agree, but the circumstances in this instance are so exceptional that I can do nothing other than wish AFC well.

K's weren't going out of business they were being destroyed by a theiving chairman. There is a difference.

 

[Brentford St George]

K's weren't going out of business they were being destroyed by a theiving chairman. There is a difference.

Correct.Rajesh Khosla was the cancer at the helm and has a lot to answer for.

 

[Paul O'Brien]

Anyone at Staines last year would have heard and seen how their fans appreciated going to a 'poxy little ground'.

Whereas we of course had nothing but good things to say about our visits to D&R, Accrington Stanley, etc...

 

[Heston Bee]

Only the Sky generation of Premiership-fans or ignoramuses would object to the establishing principle of AFC Wimbledon. For the wider footballing community it's a tremendous, defining event in the stance of football as a social & community enterprise v business-model football. There's no doubt that the work put in by some of their trust members has benefitted and inspired others, many of them close to Griffin Park.

But therein a problem was sown; it's given some of their fans and players a self-appointed and self-defined moral high-ground upon which to scorn others they've played and the level at which they're playing. I don't know if it's coincidence that a large number of clubs and their fans have taken dislike to AFC Wimbledon in the last 3-4 years - look through the press cuttings and match reports of last season and the previous in the BS South for complaints.

I was playing in the Combined Counties for the two seasons they were in there, generally there were no problems and they were well-behaved and well recieved. What problems existed were oft borne out of other clubs wanting to get famous wins over them, taking whatever means they could to do so. Fast forward a couple of years and I was assisting a friend with some coaching at Kingston University. AFC had since been promoted a couple of leagues and were training there at the time; it certainly wasn't all of them but a select few would be of the most obnoxious characters you could possibly meet. Every week it came close to kicking off when they finished their training and made their way past my friend's session.

Maybe AFC's problem is the same as that of some of the Paddock's inhabitants: "too big for this league..."

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

Only the Sky generation of Premiership-fans or ignoramuses would object to the establishing principle of AFC Wimbledon. For the wider footballing community it's a tremendous, defining event in the stance of football as a social & community enterprise v business-model football. There's no doubt that the work put in by some of their trust members has benefitted and inspired others, many of them close to Griffin Park.

But therein a problem was sown; it's given some of their fans and players a self-appointed and self-defined moral high-ground upon which to scorn others they've played and the level at which they're playing. I don't know if it's coincidence that a large number of clubs and their fans have taken dislike to AFC Wimbledon in the last 3-4 years - look through the press cuttings and match reports of last season and the previous in the BS South for complaints.

I was playing in the Combined Counties for the two seasons they were in there, generally there were no problems and they were well-behaved and well recieved. What problems existed were oft borne out of other clubs wanting to get famous wins over them, taking whatever means they could to do so. Fast forward a couple of years and I was assisting a friend with some coaching at Kingston University. AFC had since been promoted a couple of leagues and were training there at the time; it certainly wasn't all of them but a select few would be of the most obnoxious characters you could possibly meet. Every week it came close to kicking off when they finished their training and made their way past my friend's session.

Maybe AFC's problem is the same as that of some of the Paddock's inhabitants: "too big for this league..."

Surely a club that is buying its way through the leagues season after season is "business model football"? The simple reason for their success is because they are the non league chelsea ( i know they dont have a russian owner but they have greater resources than their competitiors)

 

[Chorlton Bee]

Re their arrogance. Is it because they feel they're 'too big for this league'?

 

[Boston Bee]

Silliness.

Football is a business. No one (certainly not Andy Scott) has any 'loyalty' to players. They're useful until they're not, then they're discarded. Tough line of work.

....and they have very little loyalty to players from youth teams to the first team level.

 

[south coast bees]

Re their arrogance. Is it because they feel they're 'too big for this league'?

http://www.stainesnews.co.uk/surrey...able-for-ashford-fc-s-wellard-54472-23728320/

Don't sound arrogance,to big for this league to me.

 

[Sultan]

http://www.stainesnews.co.uk/surrey...able-for-ashford-fc-s-wellard-54472-23728320/

Don't sound arrogance,to big for this league to me.

This is a player i believe Brentford should of snapped up by now. I am sure he will be a league player soon. Maybe with AFC.

 

[marvelous007]

AFC

Ask any Hampton supporter, or Bromley supporter what they think of AFC Wimbledon....

It is true that AFC Wimbledon are not liked partly cos of their success and also because their fans do think their rightful place is in the FL. Regards to taking over the Kingsmeadow, they purchased the ground and leased back to K's (Kingstonian) when they were going bust. I understand that K's owed The Bank lots money quickly and simply couldn't pay. They were going to sell to a Rugby Club and then AFC stepped in (at the last minute).

The club does have a strong catchment area in Kingston, Raynes Park, New Malden, Sutton/Epsom and Wimbledon. Longer term, they probably are more of a threat to F8Lham then ourselves, but they need to get back to SW19. In the meantime, the club will carry on part time, and could struggle next year!

 

[rebus]

Longer term, they probably are more of a threat to F8Lham then ourselves

Worst post this year. Well done.

AFC Wimbledon will be at Kingsmeadow for the next ten years. The 65 bus goes from Kingston town centre to outside our ground. They are a direct threat for future Bees support.

 

[marvelous007]

Thank you that, Mark. What prize do I get?.

How many REB Bees fans bought season tickets with KT/SM postodes?.

The 85 bus goes straight to Putney from Kingston.

I think you find the majority of AFC Wimbledon fans come from Merton, Raynes Park and New Malden. The club is desperate to get back to Merton and are still fighting hard for the land next to the Greyhound staduim. However, in the meantime, they are also trying to develop the Kingsmeadow (not Fans Staduim).

If we think Kingston is in our catchment area, then lets get in there.... At the moment, I have net met anybody regulary supporting Bees from KT1/2 but there is a first for everything. Our Commounity Sports Trust also stops in Richmond upon Thames. Whilst F*lham are more active in RB Kingston and North Surrey.

 

[Streetboy]

In the meantime, the club will carry on part time, and could struggle next year!

I think they'll do alright in the Conference. Have made two very useful signings so far in Paul Lorraine, who was a classy defender at Woking, and Steve Gregory, the Hayes & Yeading midfieler who scored twice against Hampton in the play-off final. Should finish comofortably in mid-table, or perhaps upper-mid.

 

[exiledbee]

Like a lot of fans I have always looked for A F C Wimbledons results since they left the league and hoping they return.Having spoke to non league fans this seems to be the common view ,very arrogant.There is also a problem with the way they shafted Kingstonian over the ground although I dont know the facts on this.

Errr, AFC Wombledon never left the Football League, they've yet to appear in it.

 

[marvelous007]

I remember reading that they would remain part time (after they drew against Hampton to go up) and I think thats why it will be tough for them
this year (like us) with Oxford, Luton, Cambridge, Stevenage and Wrexham, but they might surprise some people (including me).

AFC have already sold 2,000 Season tickets and I do apprecaite they (AFC) done very well since moving to K's, but where were all the Dons fans at Selhurst Park?....

 

[Gee Bee]

If we think Kingston is in our catchment area, then lets get in there.... At the moment, I have net met anybody regulary supporting Bees from KT1/2 but there is a first for everything.

At least one of our board does.

 

[marvelous007]

Marvelous answer, but I have never met him so I wouldn't know.

The point I was trying to make, is that the majority of our fan base probably does not have a KT1/2/3 post code. Although, Kingston/Norbitan could be an untapped area for us, I seem to remember Ron Noades proposal to ground share with Kingstonian's did not go down to well at the time?. But thats another/seperate issue.

 

[Mr Tree]

m007 - your initial point about Kingston must've been good, as markbfc has conspicuously run away with his tail between his legs, as he often does when defeated

AFC have already sold 2,000 Season tickets and I do apprecaite they (AFC) done very well since moving to K's, but where were all the Dons fans at Selhurst Park?....

gloryhunters wouldn't go from Premiership to Non-League, would they... and otherwise, they were never that well-supported: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WimbledonFCleagueattendances.png

oh, for the general topic - i've posted about it before - when they came to Staines a few years back, their fans were absolute *****... lost a lot of respect for the club on that day...

 

[marvelous007]

Marvelous Mr Tree, Marvelous.

Talking to lot of non league fans, this appears to gets up alot of non league fans nose's. Dons fan base disapeared quickly when they left 7 miles across London for Selhurst Park (after they had won the FA Cup), didn't they have the lowest ever attendance in the Premier League?. But that does not justify upping sticks and moving 60 miles to MK.

But thats history now. AFC have very done well to come back in to BS Premier and will be interesting to see (like us) where they be in 5 years.

 

[jlove]

I fail to see why we should be any more interested in this local non-league outfit than any other, apart from markbfc's "they might nick our fans who travel by bus" reason. Let's leave them to their own self-importance.

 

[rebus]

m007 - your initial point about Kingston must've been good, as markbfc has conspicuously run away with his tail between his legs, as he often does when defeated

I am not going to engage in further debate with someone that thinks Kingston is not in our catchment area.

Dons fan base disapeared quickly when they left 7 miles across London for Selhurst Park

Their average attendances increased when in the Premiership after the move to Selhurst, check the records.

 

[marvelous007]

Two points, I do not recall saying that Kingston is outside our catchment area, just that we do not appear to have many supporters there. Kingstonian ground is actually in Norbitan. I remember the stiff opposition to the proposed move to Kingstonian and many supporters didn't want go there.

I was actually born in Kingston and followed Kingstonan for many years (old ground), but my family moved to Whitton/Hounslow so I changed and went to watch Bee's instead.

Secondly, Wimbledon would sell three sides of there ground at Selhurst Park to away supporters as they couldn't fill it themselves, this meant against Manchester Utd/Liverpool/Arsenal they would have around 25,000 crowds which would put there fugures up, wouldn't it?.

anyway, thats it from me.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

Ask any Hampton supporter, or Bromley supporter what they think of AFC Wimbledon....

It is true that AFC Wimbledon are not liked partly cos of their success and also because their fans do think their rightful place is in the FL. Regards to taking over the Kingsmeadow, they purchased the ground and leased back to K's (Kingstonian) when they were going bust. I understand that K's owed The Bank lots money quickly and simply couldn't pay. They were going to sell to a Rugby Club and then AFC stepped in (at the last minute).

The club does have a strong catchment area in Kingston, Raynes Park, New Malden, Sutton/Epsom and Wimbledon. Longer term, they probably are more of a threat to F8Lham then ourselves, but they need to get back to SW19. In the meantime, the club will carry on part time, and could struggle next year!

Why did Afc have to buy K's stadium they dislodged a settled club and denied it its main revenue stream without any consideration, however what happened to Wimbledon at Plough Lane and Selhurst/MK is a disgrace in their eyes (and many others) it is a bit hypocritical. Its difficult to define a specific catchment area for AFC they seem to have fans all over the bl00dy place.

 

[Heston Bee]

Surely a club that is buying its way through the leagues season after season is "business model football"? The simple reason for their success is because they are the non league chelsea ( i know they dont have a russian owner but they have greater resources than their competitiors)

Maybe so now, but not when they re-formed. The point I was making there was that the club, as with all clubs, belongs to some slightly untangible degree to its fans and community. I don't think those that looked into creating AFC Wimbledon cared much about anything other the maintaining of their football club heritage.

 

[Bill Benn]

Errr, AFC Wombledon never left the Football League, they've yet to appear in it.

Correct, I think most people know that. I will refer to them as AFC Wimbledon formerly known as Wimbledon F. C. in future.