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Andy Flower

SSN reporting that Andy Flower is no longer England's coach
 

Andy Flower

Did a great job, but something is not right with England cricket at the moment.
 

Andy Flower

Can I nominate Russell Slade
 

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i would love someone like Collingwood to get be partly involved in the England set up.

Flower took England as far as he could if the reports are true. Apart from the ashes, the highlight must be the first coach in nearly 3 decades to win in India and for that deserves credit.

However his management style in the last year left allot to be desired and never took responsibility for when things were going wrong publicly. Good his finally has - but was he pushed or did he leave or did he simply no longer wanted to work with KP.
 

Andy Flower

Could be an interesting[?] book from Flower on the horizon
 

Andy Flower

If Giles gets this job it will signal a proper decline in English cricket. Let him focus on trying to get the T20 team to score more than 130 and let a decent, established coach take care of the test team.
 

Andy Flower

Indian Bee said:
i would love someone like Collingwood to get be partly involved in the England set up.

Flower took England as far as he could if the reports are true. Apart from the ashes, the highlight must be the first coach in nearly 3 decades to win in India and for that deserves credit.

However his management style in the last year left allot to be desired and never took responsibility for when things were going wrong publicly. Good his finally has - but was he pushed or did he leave or did he simply no longer wanted to work with KP.
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The treatment of Collingwood was a disgrace.

Frankly, I'd have Morgan as limited overs captain as well.
 

Andy Flower

This is really bad news for English cricket.

Sadly I think its a given that we will be lumbered with Ashley Giles. Still it will be great to see Chris Woakes and his mediocre friends playing for us in the next few years #notogiles.
 

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Salford Bee said:
The treatment of Collingwood was a disgrace.

Frankly, I'd have Morgan as limited overs captain as well.
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What in that Collingwood choose to retire. Ironically so Morgan could take his place?

I agree that change needs to happen and for the love of god keep broad away from it, but if Cook resigns one, he should admit hes not good enough to be captain full stop. Dare I say it but Ian Bell or Matt Prior should be England captain.
 

Andy Flower

What's changed thought he was backed by the ECB to continue, think this is down to the reluctance of pietersen to retire and it became a him or me decision.

Giles would be a backwards step in my mind , Kirsten is should be if they can persuade him!
 

Andy Flower

No no no to Giles , good pro but offers little

If it's to be new blood then let's make sure it is, someone with proven ability, lots if experience at playing high level cricket but importantly someone with. " balls" who will get the team on the front foot and play hard attacking cricket
 

Andy Flower

amazing how many people know that Giles will be no good lol shows what a popular character he is to the common man anyway! but for all we know he might be the best man for the job.

of course there might be others - i just hope they don't go for a big name for the sake of it and skip over a quality lesser name in the process. i wouldn't have a clue who those people would be though - i mean, on paper Gooch and Saker sound like ideal batting and bowling coaches, hasn't really worked out though has it!
 

Andy Flower

Kirsten has apparently said he's unlikely to take another International job because he wants to spend most of his time at home.

What about Tom Moody? I know he's an Aussie but did great things with Sri Lanka and has coached at Worcestershire so would know the county set up well.
 

Andy Flower

Mr Tree, Giles may be good but don't think he has had a vast amount of county coaching that has brought success ??? My worry is that he fits into the existing percentage system whereas we need a more dynamic set up
 

Andy Flower

i'm not disputing it either way - i really wouldn't know, and neither would most here. nothing to say that county success equals international success.
 

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Mr Tree said:
amazing how many people know that Giles will be no good lol shows what a popular character he is to the common man anyway! but for all we know he might be the best man for the job.

of course there might be others - i just hope they don't go for a big name for the sake of it and skip over a quality lesser name in the process. i wouldn't have a clue who those people would be though - i mean, on paper Gooch and Saker sound like ideal batting and bowling coaches, hasn't really worked out though has it!
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Because in his last 3 series, he has lost 2 at home, despite us not losing one for 5 years. Got tonked in Australia and its widely considered that Englands tactics are outdated.
 

Andy Flower

Mr Tree said:
amazing how many people know that Giles will be no good lol shows what a popular character he is to the common man anyway! but for all we know he might be the best man for the job.

of course there might be others - i just hope they don't go for a big name for the sake of it and skip over a quality lesser name in the process. i wouldn't have a clue who those people would be though - i mean, on paper Gooch and Saker sound like ideal batting and bowling coaches, hasn't really worked out though has it!
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Anyone that selects Dernbach; doesn't play Stokes; consistently includes Root IMO doesn't have a clue

Although to be fair to Giles, he has never had the 'best' England team to choose from with players that should be in the team 'rested'.
 

Andy Flower

Angus Fraser has done a fantastic job at Middlesex and has all the right credentials.
 

Andy Flower

I would like the next coach to be pretty much anyone whose name does not start with G and end in iles.
 

Andy Flower

Holysmit said:
What in that Collingwood choose to retire. Ironically so Morgan could take his place?

I agree that change needs to happen and for the love of god keep broad away from it, but if Cook resigns one, he should admit hes not good enough to be captain full stop. Dare I say it but Ian Bell or Matt Prior should be England captain.
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Not in limited overs. He was just replaced as t20 captain by Broad and unceremoniously dropped a year after winning the World Cup.
 

Andy Flower

fanfrom87 said:
Angus Fraser has done a fantastic job at Middlesex and has all the right credentials.
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.............yep..........and he can stay at Middlesex and win the league this year...............
 

Andy Flower

Holysmit said:
What in that Collingwood choose to retire. Ironically so Morgan could take his place?

I agree that change needs to happen and for the love of god keep broad away from it, but if Cook resigns one, he should admit hes not good enough to be captain full stop. Dare I say it but Ian Bell or Matt Prior should be England captain.
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Maybe have a read of this and then come back to me: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1384679/Paul-Collingwood-losing-T20-leadership.html
 

Andy Flower

Mr Tree said:
amazing how many people know that Giles will be no good lol shows what a popular character he is to the common man anyway! but for all we know he might be the best man for the job.
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What has he done to deserve the job? I can't think of anything. He might be brilliant with the players but it is results that count and his team has lost 7 of the last 8.
 

Andy Flower

Mark H said:
What has he done to deserve the job? I can't think of anything. He might be brilliant with the players but it is results that count and his team has lost 7 of the last 8.
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Giles Clarke absolutely loves him, sadly. :(
 

Andy Flower

Seems Giles is very popular with the players which is a positive for him however Tom Moody thrown his hat in the ring which is an interesting shout but what about the ex Kiwi skipper?? Surely he would be a good shout, well respected in cricket circles and did extremely well when captaining NZ, his name escapes me at present
 

Andy Flower

Fleming?
 

Andy Flower

I would be interested to know what so many have against Ashley Giles as future coach.
I suspect a lot of it is linked to Giles the Test cricketer, functional and attritional & lacking in X-factor

But this doesn't mean he will play functional, attritional cricket. In fact as part of the Michael Vaughan-lead brains trust, you would hope he might want to bring the brand of that aggressive cricket we need to rediscover. Compared to Andy Flower's persona, Ashley Giles is pure Hollywood & I do think we need a stronger character to contrast with Cook, who is not overflowing with charisma.

I am not saying that AG is Mr X Factor, but a step in the right direction & a logical choice to take over from Andy Flower.
I suspect & hope that he is capable of smashing some tea cups as & when needed.
I still believe that if we can maximise the playing resources at our disposal, we are a decent team.
The problem in Australia was that we were too timid & couldn't cope with the intensity of Australia.
AG should know mentally where English cricketers need to be to perform at their best.
You know it makes sense, vote King Of Spain.

PS Mr Pipe I think you are referring to Stephen Fleming, granted a very good shout if we do go foreign again.
 

Andy Flower

Just get an english coach - look at what pissing off the South African clown (homework - yeah right!) and getting boof in did for the aussies - install the simple things - enjoy the game and be proud pulling on the shirt - K.I.S.S
 
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