Andy Scott - Is It Time?

[ChinaBee]

Since when has facing up to the facts been Rude!!

Should we have won the division then with Leeds, Norwich, Soton, Millwall, Swindon in with us

 

[IslandBee]

I still think he deserves to be given more time

 

[bussbee]

Brentford has been lacking ambition for many a year.And as for finishing 9TH,Andy Scott felt over the Moon!, Andy Scott is not a winner in my honest opinion. But he is very good at blaming everyone else but himself!! when we lose.He is the GAFFER!! who should be leading the team by example,not blaming others!,and whineing like a Jet Engine everytime we lose. And PLEASE forget our cup wins.Although they were very good.His number one job is to take us out of this league,and at the moment,he will,back to Div 2 . RESIGN ANDY SCOTT!!

 

[vcmazz]

Since when has facing up to the facts been Rude!!

Since when has your opinion been fact?

 

[Newbury Bee 09]

I still think he deserves to be given more time

:yawn:

 

[IslandBee]

:yawn:

"Newbury Bee 09
div 2 champions 08/09"

Slightly ironic that you still have this attached to your posts, don't you think?

 

[bussbee]

Since when has your opinion been fact?

Time will tell eh?

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Brentford has been lacking ambition for many a year.And as for finishing 9TH,Andy Scott felt over the Moon!, Andy Scott is not a winner in my honest opinion. But he is very good at blaming everyone else but himself!! when we lose.He is the GAFFER!! who should be leading the team by example,not blaming others!,and whineing like a Jet Engine everytime we lose. And PLEASE forget our cup wins.Although they were very good.His number one job is to take us out of this league,and at the moment,he will,back to Div 2 . RESIGN ANDY SCOTT!!

Setting aside everything you've written, I'm not surprised Scott was over the moon with last season's 9th placed finish, especially bearing in mind where the other promoted teams finished. I was pretty pleased too as it happens, as were a great deal of other fans.

Regardless of all of that, I'm not quite sure what relevance our finish last season bears to the here and now.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

"Newbury Bee 09
div 2 champions 08/09"

Slightly ironic that you still have this attached to your posts, don't you think?

Please give it up, you don't see what we see, the club is on it's knees, you've been lucky enough to see the few games that have papered up the cracks. The crowd is dead and the players are zombies, he's had his chance.

 

[bussbee]

Setting aside everything you've written, I'm not surprised Scott was over the moon with last season's 9th placed finish, especially bearing in mind where the other promoted teams finished. I was pretty pleased too as it happens, as were a great deal of other fans.

Regardless of all of that, I'm not quite sure what relevance our finish last season bears to the here and now.

Well here is a BIG hint!.We are BOTTOM of the League.Enough said

 

[Newbury Bee 09]

"Newbury Bee 09
div 2 champions 08/09"

Slightly ironic that you still have this attached to your posts, don't you think?

:yawn:

 

[bees66]

"Newbury Bee 09
div 2 champions 08/09"

Slightly ironic that you still have this attached to your posts, don't you think?

that's something he's proud of, right now AS is crap..

 

[vcmazz]

And you agree with Andy Scott that 9TH in the league last season was good.WOW !! your just like him,Deluded, How Sad

Time will tell eh?

No not really. How is time going to change whether or not 9th was a good finish last year? Your opinion is that it wasn't, mine (and was it China Bee's?) is that it was. That makes us sad and deluded in your opinion. How will time turn your opinion in to fact?

 

[Newport Pagnell Bee]

I still think he deserves to be given more time

How much time would you give?

If the team were showing promise, competing for 90mins, outplaying other teams but had just been unlucky, I'd agree (I did think we were unlucky at Bristol Rovers- that's one game!!) .

Unfortunately, what I've seen to date is a team that can only compete (at best) from 15 to 45 mins but no more. A clueless & over-run midfield, a disorganised forward line (little guys trying to out jump 6ft 4" types) & on todays showing, a back line that got duffed up by an ugly (but not un-typical league 1) outfit.

I've also witnessed the most bizzare selections. Players who have been told that if they perform, they will keep the shirt. I'll refer only to three in relation to todays game. Sam Wood, Richard Lee & why when you're playing a big ugly bunch of thugs, do you leave Gary Alexander on the bench & play Mac & Forster (if GA got a knock at Orient & wasn't fit then he shouldn't have been on the bench). Genuinely, I can't defend this nonsense any longer.

I've not slagged off AS to date but today I saw a team heading towards relegation & it wasn't Oldham. I've lost confidence in AS I'm afraid .

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Well here is a BIG hint!.We are BOTTOM of the League.Enough said

Well I'm sorry but I must be simple because I've still no idea what point you're trying to make. Our final league position last year was very credible whilst our current league position is a disaster. Scott was over the moon with the former, like many of us were and is most likely aghast at the latter, like all of us are. That's about the strength of it isn't it ?

 

[Glenisterbee]

In the swindon programme Danny Wilson had us down as dark horses for promotion due to our signings over the summer. No one thought we would be propping up the table at this stage. I went to Carlisle and it was dire and it hasnt improved. Leicester and Lincoln who were bottom of their leagues two weeks ago have dispensed with their managers recently who had virtually identical records to ours this season. If we lose next week and then at home to Peterborough i dont see him surviving.

 

[bussbee]

No not really. How is time going to change whether or not 9th was a good finish last year? Your opinion is that it wasn't, mine (and was it China Bee's?) is that it was. That makes us sad and deluded in your opinion. How will time turn your opinion in to fact?

You cannot alter the past.BUT Brentford FC can alter the Future right now!!,by replacing Andy Scott. However attracting a good manager to Griffin Park will be no easy task.As for that problem,i'm sure we all wish the Board Good luck!!

 

[JTofBFC]

Well I'm sorry but I must be simple because I've still no idea what point you're trying to make. Our final league position last year was very credible whilst our current league position is a disaster. Scott was over the moon with the former, like many of us were and is most likely aghast at the latter, like all of us are. That's about the strength of it isn't it ?

I agree that sums it up. Maybe he has shot himself in the foot by over achieving last year on a limited budget. After all, all club owners and supporters want to see their club moving forwards. Maybe it would have been better for him if we had finished 14th last year which might have been a truer reflection of our squads ability. There may then have been less pressure this year.

It can't be denied that the loan signing of Chesney, whilst it could be described as a masterstroke by Scott on which he should be congratulated did in fact lead to an overall league position that hid the frailties of the rest of the squad he had put together. Before Christmas last season on the back of an away run when we scored only one away goal in 9 league games from the beginning of September, it looked as though we would have a relegation battle on our hands.

We have obviously got worse, not only can we not score away from home now but we also can't win at home either.

The club is going backwards very quickly.

We have never been a very good side in League 1 under Scott. We are now a disaster zone and a pushover.

He has to go.

 

[vcmazz]

You cannot alter the past.BUT Brentford FC can alter the Future right now!!,by replacing Andy Scott. However attracting a good manager to Griffin Park will be no easy task.As for that problem,i'm sure we all wish the Board Good luck!!

Agreed. Totally. It was the tone of some of your previous posts I took issue with. But hey, the GPG is awash with anger and emotion tonight. Last thing we need is to be at each other's throats .

 

[bussbee]

Agreed. Totally. It was the tone of some of your previous posts I took issue with. But hey, the GPG is awash with anger and emotion tonight. Last thing we need is to be at each other's throats .

 

[Salford Bee]

I've marked Exeter as the cusp and I'm sticking to it.

 

[SpiderBee]

Yes he should go and go quickly

**** - CLOSE THREAD!

 

[SpiderBee]

**** - CLOSE THREAD!

And having posted that, many of you need a HUGE reality check about what this club stands for.

**** OFF IT YOU AINT HAPPY!!!!

 

[SpiderBee]

Oh and that poll and it's options SUX!
GPG you really know nothing!
Worse than the BBC.

 

[vcmazz]

And having posted that, many of you need a HUGE reality check about what this club stands for.

**** OFF IT YOU AINT HAPPY!!!!

Go on then. Just one pint .

 

[SpiderBee]

Go on then. Just one pint .

****

I have not had a drink today!

 

[UNBEELIEVABLE]

No sign of change

I thought Andy Scott's loan signings over the previous seasons have been first class and it was what set him above a lot of managers at this level. This season with a lot of players signed on contracts, it has to be said it looks poor. A prime example is Alexander who lacks any kind of speed which is so noticable against any decent teams. The MacDonald - Forster combination today was dire. I think Andy Scott will turn it round and avoid relegation but the current squad lacks quality in some vital areas. We will not improve untill a ball winning midfielder is in the side.

 

[Beeky38]

I thought Andy Scott's loan signings over the previous seasons have been first class and it was what set him above a lot of managers at this level. This season with a lot of players signed on contracts, it has to be said it looks poor. A prime example is Alexander who lacks any kind of speed which is so noticable against any decent teams. The MacDonald - Forster combination today was dire. I think Andy Scott will turn it round and avoid relegation but the current squad lacks quality in some vital areas. We will not improve untill a ball winning midfielder is in the side.

Spot on about the loan versus permanent signings.

How about Tommy Doherty for a ball winning midfield maestro? Nasty little runt I know, but needs must

 

[IslandBee]

Please give it up, you don't see what we see, the club is on it's knees, you've been lucky enough to see the few games that have papered up the cracks. The crowd is dead and the players are zombies, he's had his chance.

If I thought sacking the manager would guarantee survival and more I would. We all know it doesn't.

 

[IslandBee]

How much time would you give?

I've not slagged off AS to date but today I saw a team heading towards relegation & it wasn't Oldham. I've lost confidence in AS I'm afraid .

Fair enough. I would wait until we get the majority of our forwards fit (eg Alexander, MacDonald, Forster, Simpson) and see how things look then. A lot of course depends on whether things start to pick up over the next couple of games, but I would wait until the end of November at least. Remember, for every Martin Allen miracle escape there is probably three or four spirals downward uncontrollably

 

[vcmazz]

If I thought sacking the manager would guarantee survival and more I would. We all know it doesn't.

True. But I reckon not sacking him means non-survival. Like I say, I was with you until today, but I reckon it's time for action now.

 

[dbee3]

Today was a real low, I really thought AS was the man to take us forward but he has run out of ideas..... time to go I'm afraid.

I was all for giving him time but today showed me that AS's time with Brentford has run its course. Sad, but it simply just hasn't been good enough this season, especially given the budget he has been given. Time to let someone else try and salvage what is left of the season.

 

[Newport Pagnell Bee]

Fair enough. I would wait until we get the majority of our forwards fit (eg Alexander, MacDonald, Forster, Simpson) and see how things look then. A lot of course depends on whether things start to pick up over the next couple of games, but I would wait until the end of November at least. Remember, for every Martin Allen miracle escape there is probably three or four spirals downward uncontrollably

& in my mind, after today, we are on the uncontrolable downward spiral.

 

[WarrenBee]

Go now.

 

[GP200]

Go now.

......................are you blue and moody????..................

 

[WarrenBee]

......................are you blue and moody????..................

I am a Knight in White Satin.

 

[GP200]

I am a Knight in White Boxers.

...................fair play to you....................

 

[vcmazz]

I am a Knight in White Satin.

I don't think he meant anything by that. He ain't heavy :no:.

 

[WarrenBee]

...................fair play to you....................

That's moody.

 

[Newport Pagnell Bee]

I am a Knight in White Satin.

I thought it was night in white satin...............

Anychance of getting back on topic?

 

[Hullbee]

Looking at the poll, so far I'm the lone voice which says give him a little more time, 3 more games will be enough I think. The board have to show they are giving Scott every chance to turn things around and then a little bit more, not firing him because of a bad run of results. I do agree we were terrible today, as we were against Rochdale and Walsall, as most teams have rumbled our style of play, but maybe we won't attract a better quality of manager if we sack Scott now. The board should however be using the next few weeks thinking about the next stage of progression and the type of manager they want, whilst Scott fights to save his career at Brentford. I hope Scott succeeds and leads us out of this mess, but doubt he will.

I agree

As I get annoyed with managers getting the elbow cos the players don't want to play for them. Which seems to be the case here There is no passion or desire in the team. Perhaps Andy Scott is suffering as Wally Downes did (Jay Tabb interview) with players who simply do not care as they are now on 2-3 year deals so whether we get relegated or not they still get paid.

However ANDY you are an arrogant clown and seem devoid of ideas other than to go and get players who have done when previously rather than playing the ones you have given contracts too.

3 more games

 

[stevil]

It's time

 

[Houghton Bee]

I've marked Exeter as the cusp and I'm sticking to it.

today was hard to take, so much so i left after alexanders 'shot' as the injury time board was held up, cant remember the last time i left early, possibly peterborough away when we lost 7-0. as i said elsewhere the players need to take some blame imo, scott cant literally control every pass/shot/tackle at the end of the day, though i do agree his tactics are not helping. but i dont see any viable alternative to andy anyway. i'm sure martin allen would come back but it'd be for his own good, as soon as other jobs come up he'd be whoring himself out to the highest bidder again plus going back to happier times doesnt always workout, ref nicky forster, although hopefully in his case its a temporary lapse of form.

my nephews bees debut today, 4 months old, so i guess it was always going to be the case he had to be given a 'typical' brentford experience lol

 

[Beenut]

Nothing has improved since I voted for more time - if it was just crap footy I could hope it will improve, but continuing baffling team selection and continued use of tried and tested failed tactics has pushed me to say GO!

I don't dislike Scotty but I think he's at a dead end now.

 

[Roy_loak]

crazy comment. This, added to the last few weeks, how can he stay.

One thing not mentioned much is the Orient JPT game, not many where there and we won, but for Scott to call it dire baffles me as it is his ****ing team and selection.

Bye bye Mr Attitude.

well i was there and it was rubbish. no tactics, no gameplan, no ideas, no nothing. not good enough for my beloved BEES.

 

[shouldbee]

well i was there and it was rubbish. no tactics, no gameplan, no ideas, no nothing. not good enough for my beloved BEES.

It's his trademark to rubbish his players, the ones he signed !!. How can Matthew Benham sit back and watch Scott throw HIS money down the drain.

But this board will just sit back and let him take us further into the brown stuff. He's had plenty of chances to change things around but he's either too stubborn or he doesn't know how, I think it's a bit of both.

 

[charliebee28]

I still think he deserves to be given more time

after the sheffield wednesday game i thought here go season is back on track now, but everton aside i can not believe where we are in the league but the table don't lie and we deserve to be there, i have always defended scott for everything he has done but enough is enough now, the board need to sack him and not leave too late like they did with that **** leroy, but i don't think think that they have the bolloxs to do it, i don't know who i want for the job defo not Martin Allen, Pardew? Mowbray? sorry for the rant but this is to me the strongest squad we have had in years but they are not producing it on the pitch and as for Andys comments after the game saying that we are in a relegation battle......well what a way to try and lift the side for next week might as well say to them bollox to it we are alreday down just continue to do what we are doing

 

[wanderer paul]

after the sheffield wednesday game i thought here go season is back on track now, but everton aside i can not believe where we are in the league but the table don't lie and we deserve to be there, i have always defended scott for everything he has done but enough is enough now, the board need to sack him and not leave too late like they did with that **** leroy, but i don't think think that they have the bolloxs to do it, i don't know who i want for the job defo not Martin Allen, Pardew? Mowbray? sorry for the rant but this is to me the strongest squad we have had in years but they are not producing it on the pitch and as for Andys comments after the game saying that we are in a relegation battle......well what a way to try and lift the side for next week might as well say to them bollox to it we are alreday down just continue to do what we are doing

Leroy was/is not a ****. He's too nice to be a manager.

 

[charliebee28]

Leroy was/is not a ****. He's too nice to be a manager.

you are joking? that **** should never have been allowed anywhere near a football club unfortunatly he was with us, i hate the sight of him very only watch the football league show if he is not on it

 

[EASTBRISTOLBEE7]

It's his trademark to rubbish his players, the ones he signed !!. How can Matthew Benham sit back and watch Scott throw HIS money down the drain.

But this board will just sit back and let him take us further into the brown stuff. He's had plenty of chances to change things around but he's either too stubborn or he doesn't know how, I think it's a bit of both.

I agree , what worries me is the money he has wasted on average/poor players since we have been back in lge 1.
Take out the loan signings we have had ( actually include lg2 campaign as well ) and what do we have left ?
Mr benham has given a manager a chance to assemble a decent side but scott can,t do that and has to go before he spunks the rest of the budget .