Andy Scott - Is It Time?

[Salford Bee]

Leroy was/is not a ****. He's too nice to be a manager.

you are joking? that **** should never have been allowed anywhere near a football club unfortunatly he was with us, i hate the sight of him very only watch the football league show if he is not on it

I'm with wanderer paul. Leroy is not a ****. He's a nice bloke, just a poor manager.

 

[PJ]

But this board will just sit back and let him take us further into the brown stuff.

Just out of interest, what do you base this comment on?

 

[eaglebee]

I been sitting on the fence and there is still a part of me that thinks AS record over the two and half years is good enough for us to continue to say one more chance, but how long can the fans and the board continue to keep saying this (given our league postion)?.

Somebody (assume the CEO) now needs to take responsibility and say, this seasons league record falls short of what this club is now trying to achieve; given our budget and money that has been spent and the support that has been given to AS. Whilst we do apprecaite everything he (Andy Scott) has done for us, we sincerley wish him well for the future....

I aggree, I am also sitting on the fence, AS has given us a good time up until now, and should be remembered and thanked for that, and I think he should be given just a short time (6 League Games) to see if he can pull it round, that will leave us time to re-group if need be.

But where do we go from there? All Managers unemployed at the moment HAVE BEEN SACKED FOR FAILURE, so why should we employ them!!! we might as well stick with AS.

Tell me why a PROVEN SUCCESSFUL MANAGER WOULD LEAVE HIS CLUB to come to GP?.

Don't even mention MA, HE WON US NOTHING, and then went on to be an even greater failure elesewhere!

No ex prem manager would consider Div 1, Coppell has retired from management, Pardew is only a fair manager if he has millions to spend.

That leaves us with very little choice at the moment, This is the problem the board are now faced with, and this senario should show us what they are made of and the direction they mean to take.

I can see a strange few weeks ahead, I will still be going to Birmingham to give the team my support, What will then happen when we win and go into the last 8 left, That's will be an interesting one!!

 

[West Wilts Bee]

after the sheffield wednesday game i thought here go season is back on track now, but everton aside i can not believe where we are in the league but the table don't lie and we deserve to be there, i have always defended scott for everything he has done but enough is enough now, the board need to sack him and not leave too late like they did with that **** leroy, but i don't think think that they have the bolloxs to do it, i don't know who i want for the job defo not Martin Allen, Pardew? Mowbray? sorry for the rant but this is to me the strongest squad we have had in years but they are not producing it on the pitch and as for Andys comments after the game saying that we are in a relegation battle......well what a way to try and lift the side for next week might as well say to them bollox to it we are alreday down just continue to do what we are doing

Well what do you expect him to say? We are in a relegation battle.

 

[Thorne In The Side]

I'm more interested in who we would replace him with before we let him loose.. to get something in like Dean Holdsworth would be a disaster...

We simply can't make a quick decision and get it wrong....

 

[Mr Tree]

I'm more interested in who we would replace him with before we let him loose.. to get something in like Dean Holdsworth would be a disaster...

We simply can't make a quick decision and get it wrong....

why would Deano be a disaster? there's probably not many better viable options....

 

[TonkTony]

Sorry Andy, time to go. No to Deano, we need a proven tactician, not a fan favourite

 

[The Pipe]

Previousley I suggested he should be given to the end of November to allow players to return from injury and so that we could actualy see the style he wanted, ( mind you I am pretty sure I know what that is). After yesterday I am afraid my patience has finally snapped.

The basic criteria for a manager is to lead, inspire, motivate and manage performance, there are times when a "hair dryer"is necessary but for the main a good manager will get there team working together for a common good with everyone knowing their role and how the task is to be acheived.

Unfortunately what we are watching seems an absolute shambles, I doubt the players are inspired, they certainly do not seem motivated and the only performance management is to be dropped irrespective of performance!! This is not leadership it is floundering and clutching at ever redducing straws in an effort to turn things round.

I have no knowledge of Scott as a person he may be a reincarnation of Mother Theresa for all I know, however it would seem that a number of players are seriousley pisssed off with him and I have watched with mounting frustration the style of football he wants to play and quite frankly if this continues he will certainly get us out of the division.....downward.

The tactics yesterday when we went a goal down and the disarray within the team was apalling and then degenerated from there!! Shouting from the touchline is not the answer the players need to know what system thay should be adopting and behave accordingly, instead we end up with more and more curius styles and systems which just negated any hopes we might have had.

In fairness yesterday I will accept that a number of players did not perform well, however again they are his players doing what he tells them ( I forgot of course in his press talks they all forget his instructions!!)

We are now looking like a team that is waiting for something to happen, I do not beleive the players have any confidence in him or even themselves at present and it would seem that both players and supporters alike are just waiting for the axe to fall. As one of the guys on the terraces said its like visiting a sick elederly relative waiting for them to pass away.

It is no fun watching this team, it is not life or death by any means, I have a daughter who has been in hospital for the past 4.5 weeks, that is more important, however like all supporters I look forward to saturdays and want to have some hope, I can accept defeat if there is hope but when that goes quite frankly whats the point of going.

He did well in the past for us and no doubt will do so again somewhere else but for the sake of the club I love the time has now come to say thanks Andy you did well but things need shaking up and a change is deperateley needed before it is to late.

 

[Thorne In The Side]

I'm more interested in who we would replace him with before we let him loose.. to get something in like Dean Holdsworth would be a disaster...

We simply can't make a quick decision and get it wrong....

You think we have someone with attitude now?

Never had a good word to say about the club when he left...

 

[Bizzy Bee]

I've seen enough Scott. Thanks for the memories and goodbye.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I'm more interested in who we would replace him with before we let him loose.. to get something in like Dean Holdsworth would be a disaster...

We simply can't make a quick decision and get it wrong....

You think we have someone with attitude now?

Never had a good word to say about the club when he left...

Who you talking at ......

 

[Beefletch]

Just listened to AS's post match interview on the O/S & I am even more convinced his tenure as Manager should be ended ASAP.He seems totally bewildered as to why this situation has occured.Offering the same old excuses as used so many times before.When will he own up to the fact that it is HIS team & tactical selections that have caused thie current situation.As for the questions(& I use the term loosely)that are put to him,well why bother!! I know he intimidates these guy's but what about asking;why did you drop Alexander,why bring in Lewis Grabaan when you have Nicky Adam's & don't select him & last but not least do you acknowledge you need a creative midfielder?
I believe he is in some sort of state of denial over his part in this shambles. He's the Guv'nor & should take it on the chin. Either sort it or ship out!!

 

[davewfilms]

Hasn't he been fired or resigned yet,we are awful he has to go now

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Just out of interest, what do you base this comment on?

I'm glad someone else picked up on this as I'd like to know too. :shrug:

 

[Markybee]

you are joking? that **** should never have been allowed anywhere near a football club unfortunatly he was with us, i hate the sight of him very only watch the football league show if he is not on it

lol Why? He is a decent bloke :shrug:

 

[maddogging]

I'm glad someone else picked up on this as I'd like to know too. :shrug:

It's just a throw away comment. I wouldn't get too hung up on it

 

[Bill Benn]

I'm glad someone else picked up on this as I'd like to know too. :shrug:

I don't think its as simple as the boards decision as l fully expect that they are concerned about the situation,but Matthew Benham will have a BIG say in who runs the team and spends his money.

 

[marvelous007]

I aggree, I am also sitting on the fence, AS has given us a good time up until now, and should be remembered and thanked for that, and I think he should be given just a short time (6 League Games) to see if he can pull it round, that will leave us time to re-group if need be.

But where do we go from there? All Managers unemployed at the moment HAVE BEEN SACKED FOR FAILURE, so why should we employ them!!! we might as well stick with AS.

Tell me why a PROVEN SUCCESSFUL MANAGER WOULD LEAVE HIS CLUB to come to GP?.

Don't even mention MA, HE WON US NOTHING, and then went on to be an even greater failure elesewhere!

No ex prem manager would consider Div 1, Coppell has retired from management, Pardew is only a fair manager if he has millions to spend.

That leaves us with very little choice at the moment, This is the problem the board are now faced with, and this senario should show us what they are made of and the direction they mean to take.

I can see a strange few weeks ahead, I will still be going to Birmingham to give the team my support, What will then happen when we win and go into the last 8 left, That's will be an interesting one!!

All managers (and players) at same point in their careers will fail, professional sports people (and successful business people) are taught that this is PART of success. Providing that we learn from our mistakes, we can come back stronger with more knowledge and experience.

I dont think anyone is suggesting Sir Alex as our next manager Where we go from here? maybe; discuss terms of departure with AS and wish him well and thank him for his service to the club. Install Terry Bullivant on a 6 week/match basis with a review at the end?. We dont want to rush in and make some mistakes as in the past, i.e Leroy/TB

I respected Martin Allen and Steve Coppell but I think we should leave the past in the past. Moving forward there are some good experienced managers out there, it just depends on how ambitous this club and MB wants to be?. Our board is now being tested and time will tell how they well do, if the club is move forward over the 2 next or 3 years. See you in Birmingham.

 

[Bungy Bee]

I think 53 points is a safe margin for survival.....looks a long way off at the moment....:sad:

 

[Freebee]

Just listened to AS's post match interview on the O/S & I am even more convinced his tenure as Manager should be ended ASAP.He seems totally bewildered as to why this situation has occured.Offering the same old excuses as used so many times before.When will he own up to the fact that it is HIS team & tactical selections that have caused thie current situation.As for the questions(& I use the term loosely)that are put to him,well why bother!! I know he intimidates these guy's but what about asking;why did you drop Alexander,why bring in Lewis Grabaan when you have Nicky Adam's & don't select him & last but not least do you acknowledge you need a creative midfielder?
I believe he is in some sort of state of denial over his part in this shambles. He's the Guv'nor & should take it on the chin. Either sort it or ship out!!

well said and pretty much what i was going to type until i reached your post

Also in the interview he is still totaly adamant that his tatics and style are fine.
He even goes on to say that if the players can't do it he'll change even more playing staff until it does!

I feel sorry for the interviewers,they seem so scared to ask the questions we really need answered.
You can see in AS's eyes that he is just waiting to snarl and spit at any who dare to step out of line and question his stlye/tatics etc etc.
No doubt he runs the team the same way and thats why they play like frightened rabbits.

How about setting up a post where You the interviewers take some of OUR questions to ask him if he gets to make another press call?

At least you can feel safe and say "its them asking not me"

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

I'm with wanderer paul. Leroy is not a ****. He's a nice bloke, just a poor manager.

Watching Leroy walk along the paddock after what was to be his last game was a terrible sight.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

I thought Andy Scott's loan signings over the previous seasons have been first class and it was what set him above a lot of managers at this level. This season with a lot of players signed on contracts, it has to be said it looks poor. A prime example is Alexander who lacks any kind of speed which is so noticable against any decent teams. The MacDonald - Forster combination today was dire. I think Andy Scott will turn it round and avoid relegation but the current squad lacks quality in some vital areas. We will not improve untill a ball winning midfielder is in the side.

That couldnt be considered anything more than a terrible season with the resorces at our disposal.

 

[IslandBee]

& in my mind, after today, we are on the uncontrolable downward spiral.

.. and in mine it is too early to say this. We beat Charlton playing some excellent football last week. Surely spirals take a bit longer to develop than a week

 

[Deleted member 2202]

Why is the percentage of correct answers going down?

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

.. and in mine it is too early to say this. We beat Charlton playing some excellent football last week. Surely spirals take a bit longer to develop than a week

What about Orient, Brighton, Rochdale, Walsall, Hartlepool.

 

[brooks]

.. and in mine it is too early to say this. We beat Charlton playing some excellent football last week. Surely spirals take a bit longer to develop than a week

The thing that interests me is, as many people have already pointed out, that the team does the business against bigger/better teams but do nothing against the rest. It seems that the squad is quite good enough and is showing that they can do it against the best, just to prove a point, but use the other matches, where they have to prove nothing, that they aren't that interested in keeping Scott in his post. How else can this anomaly be explained?

 

[Salford Bee]

Watching Leroy walk along the paddock after what was to be his last game was a terrible sight.

Indeed. I'd like to see Scott walk before it gets to that (and it could happen if we haven't turned it around by Bournemouth on 2nd November).

 

[Westlad]

after the sheffield wednesday game i thought here go season is back on track now, but everton aside i can not believe where we are in the league but the table don't lie and we deserve to be there, i have always defended scott for everything he has done but enough is enough now, the board need to sack him and not leave too late like they did with that **** leroy, but i don't think think that they have the bolloxs to do it, i don't know who i want for the job defo not Martin Allen, Pardew? Mowbray? sorry for the rant but this is to me the strongest squad we have had in years but they are not producing it on the pitch and as for Andys comments after the game saying that we are in a relegation battle......well what a way to try and lift the side for next week might as well say to them bollox to it we are alreday down just continue to do what we are doing

Think I agree with most of what you say. Scott was a great manager at league 2 level, he did great last season on a limited budget but now he's got money and a bit of expectation he can't deliver. I didn't go to the game yesterday but it sounds like it was same old. It's all very well saying give him 3 games but what's he going to do differently in the next 3 games? If we are going to get a new manager in then I'd want him in as soon as possible, but the problem is who the next manager should be. Deano is too much of a risk, he's never managed anywhere near this level. Mowbray would be brilliant, but even if we could afford his wages he knows he can manage at a much higher level. It's probably woth a phone call to Coppell but I doubt he'd come out of retirement. Most realistic would be a manager like Pardew and if he got us promoted in 2/3 years it would silence the haters. No point in getting rid of Scott for someone who's never managed at league one level or above.

Thanks for the memories at Bournemouth, Darlington, Leeds, Milton Keynes and against Everton but it's time to go Mr. Scott

 

[beebopalula]

On the second poll I voted for a little more time. If I'd read his post match comments before my second vote I'd have opted for the 'go now' vote. His comments are the same old stuff , blaming players and he caps it all by saying the system works. How he can say that with 9 league wins out of the last 34 games beggars belief. Arrogance, lost the plot? Go now please!!!!!

 

[To Bee Someone]

I am willing to give him a little more time (just). Yesterday for at least an hour we were second best. He has to rectify the centre midfield issues (maybe use our links with Arsenal to get one of their youthies in) as I am getting sick and tired of Brentford being outdone in the middle of the park most weeks. KOC isn't good enough and Dave is left with too much work to do

 

[sussexb]

Had enough. MB's investment in the club is a massive opportunity for Brentford, and I am increasingly convinced that AS is not the man to be trusted with that opportunity.

 

[shouldbee]

Is he still here ?

 

[shouldbee]

I am willing to give him a little more time (just). Yesterday for at least an hour we were second best. He has to rectify the centre midfield issues (maybe use our links with Arsenal to get one of their youthies in) as I am getting sick and tired of Brentford being outdone in the middle of the park most weeks. KOC isn't good enough and Dave is left with too much work to do

How many times have a few of us said O'Connor is just not good enough, he's had his day at Brentford and I wish he would move on. Surely Scott can see how badly he's playing and the fact that centre midfield is such a key position and requires skills that KOC doesn't and in truth has never possessed.

 

[IslandBee]

What about Orient, Brighton, Rochdale, Walsall, Hartlepool.

We are inconsistent sure, but we have shown we can play - Sheff Wed, Everton, Bristol R. and Charlton - that's not great, but neither is it spiralling downwards uncontrollably

 

[bennyb]

he wont change his appalling brand of football so whats the point in giving him more time .bye bye

 

[NorthamptonBee]

We are inconsistent sure, but we have shown we can play - Sheff Wed, Everton, Bristol R. and Charlton - that's not great, but neither is it spiralling downwards uncontrollably

We are.
There is no shame in admitting that.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

How many times have a few of us said O'Connor is just not good enough, he's had his day at Brentford and I wish he would move on. Surely Scott can see how badly he's playing and the fact that centre midfield is such a key position and requires skills that KOC doesn't and in truth has never possessed.

KOC has had a poor season so far by his standards, barring a couple of games (Charlton springs to mind when he was outstanding) but it's a damning indictment of our central midfield that IMO, he's performed significantly better than Diagouraga who's been a shadow of the player we saw last season. Add that to the fact that neither Bean nor Hunt IMO are good enough to be considered for a starting role and it's pretty clear where our problems lie.

KOC may not be the answer in centre mid, but for me he's currently the best of the four we have and that probably tells you all you need to know. Andy's failure to sufficiently strengthen that area during the close season is a huge factor in our current predicament in my view.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

We are inconsistent sure, but we have shown we can play - Sheff Wed, Everton, Bristol R. and Charlton - that's not great, but neither is it spiralling downwards uncontrollably

Playing well in only 3 league games isnt what was expected by anyone this season and at that rate we will be very far from reaching our goals this season so clearly we currently have big problems that need addressing.

 

[shouldbee]

KOC has had a poor season so far by his standards, barring a couple of games (Charlton springs to mind when he was outstanding) but it's a damning indictment of our central midfield that IMO, he's performed significantly better than Diagouraga who's been a shadow of the player we saw last season. Add that to the fact that neither Bean nor Hunt IMO are good enough to be considered for a starting role and it's pretty clear where our problems lie.

KOC may not be the answer in centre mid, but for me he's currently the best of the four we have and that probably tells you all you need to know. Andy's failure to sufficiently strengthen that area during the close season is a huge factor in our current predicament in my view.

OK but it's all about opinions. I agree Dave hasn't shown the sort of form he did last season, perhaps that's why Gary Johnson didn't want him. I cannot agree that KOC is the best of the four, I think it's about the combinations you play. Neither bean or Hunt have had any sort of run in the team and are only bought on when things are going badly. It's pretty difficult for either of them to make any sort of impact when they are only usually given 10-15minutes. I have nothing at all against KOC, he's been a loyal player at Brentford but I couldn't see him getting into any other league one team.

Dave and Marcus on the other hand are good players who have lost their confidence and I believe they still have plenty to offer in the right team and setup. David Hunt is a different sort of player who likes to play in on the ground therefore he'll never been given a chance by this manager.
I would sum yesterday up as

Hoofball 1 - Tippy tappy 3

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

looking at the table he probably should go but im giving him the next 3 games to sort it out......if we're in the same position at the end of the month he must go

i still got a funny feeling that although we will lose the next 2 league games we're still gonna win at brum....and that will unfortunately make things very complicated

my bet for promotion isnt looking very good though:sad:

 

[IslandBee]

Playing well in only 3 league games isnt what was expected by anyone this season and at that rate we will be very far from reaching our goals this season so clearly we currently have big problems that need addressing.

Completely agree with you.

 

[SQUELCH]

The board wont sack him - they will see the positive that we are only 8 points of the play offs.........

 

[marlowbee]

Fair enough. I would wait until we get the majority of our forwards fit (eg Alexander, MacDonald, Forster, Simpson) and see how things look then. A lot of course depends on whether things start to pick up over the next couple of games, but I would wait until the end of November at least. Remember, for every Martin Allen miracle escape there is probably three or four spirals downward uncontrollably

The only forward who has looked dangerous is Simpson, and it sounds like his injury is fairly long term (similar to one that kept him out for most of last season I believe), notice you dont mention Cort probably right as I cant see him playing much this season, Forster has to have op and then recover, by the time all this happens I think we will be too far off being able to retrieve the situation.

 

[Lokster]

The board should sit down. Give Andy a points target - 10 from the next 15 say - and explain to him, as politely as possible, that whilst he's done sterling work for us in the past football is a results business. That's consistent results.

Also they should say that it was an excellent achievement getting us up as Champions but that taking us back down again is going to do nothing to help his reputation.

If we don't get the points target. He gets sacked.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

The board should sit down. Give Andy a points target - 10 from the next 15 say - and explain to him, a.

I can't see him getting 10 points from the next 15 games so best make the brave and correct decision now.

 

[IslandBee]

The only forward who has looked dangerous is Simpson, and it sounds like his injury is fairly long term (similar to one that kept him out for most of last season I believe), notice you dont mention Cort probably right as I cant see him playing much this season, Forster has to have op and then recover, by the time all this happens I think we will be too far off being able to retrieve the situation.

Wow, I didn't think this weekend could get worse football-wise, but it just did. So we will have to rely on MacD and Alexander getting fit and see how things look then. I would still go to the end of November.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

Completely agree with you.

Not sure you do coz i feel Scott should go and you dont.

 

[IslandBee]

Not sure you do coz i feel Scott should go and you dont.

I completely agreed with your post about us underachieving and something being wrong. Where we differ is in the conclusions we reach from this situation. Also

 

[mhead bee]

looking at the table he probably should go but im giving him the next 3 games to sort it out......:sad:

I said the same but I gave him 5 games 4 games ago. I have now very sadly given up on him.

i would love him to turn it around but I think it has gone too far. When he first came in and did so well I really thought we had one of the best new managers around and i could put up with his ruthlessness to the players and disregarding anyone who did not get up to scratch no matter how much they cost. As long as it works you will put up with anything.

unfortunately it is now not working so all the crazy things look bad. I felt really quite unpleasant after we won the championship and found out that a load of players had been told they were out next season before they had a chance to celebrate in vegas. They must have felt awful on that trip when they should be celebrating.

if it works fine, but at the moment it is not working and things like that just start to look really bad.

 

[Simon C]

I can't see him getting 10 points from the next 15 games so best make the brave and correct decision now.

The idea of being set a points target is sound. The problem is we should be 4 or 5 games into it by now