Andy Scott - Is It Time?

[nick logan]

I havent really seen the press or checked much on here but i have to say i did expect to come on this afternoon and expect to have read AS had gone

Really ?

 

[wayfarer172]

I agree with 99% of this but is Andy really killing the club?? Yes we are bottom of the league but its only a couple of weeks since one of the greatest ever nights at Griffin Park. I think the problem is Andy and his bully boy tactics in the way he treats his players. Apart from that elusive ball playing centre midfielder I think its a strong squad and believe with anyone else in charge we would be in the top half of the table. Andy cannot get these players to playing for him and some of his decisions are becoming increasingly baffling. But killing the club I dont think so.

Fair comment.

 

[stoney04]

Really ?

to be honest yes mate, i didnt go on sat as i had the baby, blah blah but from what i have heard about the way we played, the fact were bottom, and that it seems AS doesnt know how to go out and win consistanly in this division! he has 2 games personaly then after brum win or lose if we dont get 6 points from next 2 games!

 

[hypa123]

i dont recall many saying that last season.......what the bleedin hell you on about

I'm on about people having very short memories. You rather prove my point. This is in reference to those saying that Kevin O'Connor cannot play, is not up to League 1 standard, etc. etc.

From the Man of the Match final table last year:

After Match 51

Here is the updated table:
(MotMs won are in brackets)

--------------------------------------------------------
1) Kevin O'Connor(5) 29 points - 715 votes
2) Wojciech Szczęsny(6) 28 points - 613 votes
3) Charlie MacDonald(4) 25.5 points - 497 votes
4) Leon Legge(4) 24.33 points - 629 votes

 

[wayfarer172]

It saddens me to see him leave as I remember what he did achieve and I hoped he could take us on.

I have, however, said for a while now that his style of football was not working and was painful to watch. His man management skills appear from the outside questionable, his ability to change the system and admit his style of football is clearly not working also seem questionable.

So as I said I will be sad to see him go as I take no pleasure from seeing his demise and loss of his livelihood, but based on what he is paid to do I have no problem with him going as he is not delivering.

Fair enough. We dont look too bad on Bees Player (Highlights). For what it's worth I dont like to see any man lose his job. I do remember however the glee on here when Mark Stimpson got the Tin Tac.

 

[brian692]

I'm on about people having very short memories. You rather prove my point. This is in reference to those saying that Kevin O'Connor cannot play, is not up to League 1 standard, etc. etc.

From the Man of the Match final table last year:

After Match 51

Here is the updated table:
(MotMs won are in brackets)

--------------------------------------------------------
1) Kevin O'Connor(5) 29 points - 715 votes
2) Wojciech Szczęsny(6) 28 points - 613 votes
3) Charlie MacDonald(4) 25.5 points - 497 votes
4) Leon Legge(4) 24.33 points - 629 votes

Yeah very good but that was last season,he was totally lost on Saturday is too slow and is past his best i'm afraid.

 

[nick logan]

Yeah very good but that was last season,he was totally lost on Saturday is too slow and is past his best i'm afraid.

Really , he was very good against Charlton 9 days ago.

 

[hypa123]

I did expect to come on this afternoon and expect to have read AS had gone

Then you're living in cloud-cuckoo-land. The board of directors are far too sensible to be swayed by the usual hysterical baying for blood that follows on from a bad run. The intensity of the current disappointment is directly proportionate to the absurdly over-inflated expectations that were raised at the beginning of the season.

Then, as you remember, everyone was praising AS's acumen and initiative in lining up a free-scoring forward line that included MacDonald, Forster, Alexander and Cort, to which, very astutely, he added the extremely effective Simpson.

Some of you may just have noticed that all of these bar Alexander have over a period of several games been either absent through injury or playing while in need of an operation. No-one on this site knows for absolutely certain just how bad the fitness crisis among the forwards is, but clearly it's bad and the manager has been forced to improvise.

Give Scott a break, will you? Or stop calling yourselves supporters.

 

[Infatuated Bees Alter Ego]

I'm willing to wait another 2 games.
2 massive games for the club and Andy Scott.
He knows as well as everyone, that he needs to get it right and I hope he does.

 

[HanwellHavoc]

hypa123
hypa123


Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Paris

BACK OFF BRUSSELS!!!

 

[TonkTony]

I'll be honest, I really want him to stay but with a new style of play with backup plans. He really needs to learn. A new assistant may even be the answer. someone who's been there and done it. Experience is key, to help AS grow as a manager

 

[wayfarer172]

I'll be honest, I really want him to stay but with a new style of play with backup plans. He really needs to learn. A new assistant may even be the answer. someone who's been there and done it. Experience is key, to help AS grow as a manager

rofl You stand a better chance of winning the lottery rofl

 

[Ghost]

Then you're living in cloud-cuckoo-land. The board of directors are far too sensible to be swayed by the usual hysterical baying for blood that follows on from a bad run. The intensity of the current disappointment is directly proportional to the absurdly over-inflated expectations that were raised at the beginning of the season.

Then, as you remember, everyone was praising AS's acumen and initiative in lining up a free-scoring forward line that included MacDonald, Forster, Alexander and Cort, to which, very astutely, he added the extremely effective Simpson.

Some of you may just have noticed that all of these bar Alexander have over a period of several games been either absent through injury or playing while in need of an operation. No-one on this site knows for absolutely certain just how bad the fitness crisis among the forwards is, but clearly it's bad and the manager has been forced to improvise.

Give Scott a break, will you? Or stop calling yourselves supporters.

I think he needs to give himself a break in all honesty and realise he is not Mr Big Stuff. He's earnt his spurs in League two but he certainly hasn't in League 1 yet. I agree with all that you said above but even last season AS was laying into players in personal attacks. He seems to shy away from any responsibility as soon as he can, and you don't want or need that in a manager in any walk of life. Most people do not respond to that kind of management. I detest the way he always says individuals are doing their own thing. It's up to him to train that out of them and he obviously isn't doing that during the week. It's not as if we have a team of raw rookies, we have a decent squad and quite frankly (bad luck with injuries aside) I don't quite know how he is managing to get them to look so bad!

We've built him up and to a certain extent the press have built AS up as a young a promising manager which he is. However, he needs to hold his hands up now and stop being an ostrich with it's head in the sand. We have to ditch the long ball and try and come up with something that will keep opponents guessing. As good as Myles is is not experienced enough to handle being our "dangerman" without an effective plan b.
There should be a seamless plan for going a goal up, goal down etc etc where you adapt on a few gestures or shouts from the box. I don't think AS cannot see such changes, I think he is too stubborn to implement then until it's too late. This could hold him back from being a top manager.

 

[Davee]

Give Scott a break, will you? Or stop calling yourselves supporters.

Why?

He's the bloke with the biggest budget in recent history, who's paid 120k a year to get us near the top, where are we?

Just because I don't support Scott doesn't make me any less a Brentford supporter.

It could just as easily be argued here that those of you still loved up with Andy are not true supporters of the club: as your total foolish blind faith doesn't allow you to comprehend the dismal situation we find ourselves in.

 

[TonkTony]

rofl You stand a better chance of winning the lottery rofl

Very true

 

[stoney04]

Then you're living in cloud-cuckoo-land. The board of directors are far too sensible to be swayed by the usual hysterical baying for blood that follows on from a bad run. The intensity of the current disappointment is directly proportional to the absurdly over-inflated expectations that were raised at the beginning of the season.

Then, as you remember, everyone was praising AS's acumen and initiative in lining up a free-scoring forward line that included MacDonald, Forster, Alexander and Cort, to which, very astutely, he added the extremely effective Simpson.

Some of you may just have noticed that all of these bar Alexander have over a period of several games been either absent through injury or playing while in need of an operation. No-one on this site knows for absolutely certain just how bad the fitness crisis among the forwards is, but clearly it's bad and the manager has been forced to improvise.

Give Scott a break, will you? Or stop calling yourselves supporters.

im not in cuckoo land i just was excpecting some shocking news.

personally if scott stays and sorts it all good, if goes its no big loss is it if you look at the table! done well getting us out of league 2 but so far this season AS is struggling and if we were chatting about any other team and if they were in the same situation we would all be saying no long now till the manager is gone from there (fact)!!!

 

[bees66]

Give Scott a break, will you? Or stop calling yourselves supporters.

why do you have be so patronising??

 

[WisBee]

I said the same but I gave him 5 games 4 games ago. I have now very sadly given up on him.

i would love him to turn it around but I think it has gone too far. When he first came in and did so well I really thought we had one of the best new managers around and i could put up with his ruthlessness to the players and disregarding anyone who did not get up to scratch no matter how much they cost. As long as it works you will put up with anything.

unfortunately it is now not working so all the crazy things look bad. I felt really quite unpleasant after we won the championship and found out that a load of players had been told they were out next season before they had a chance to celebrate in vegas. They must have felt awful on that trip when they should be celebrating.




if it works fine, but at the moment it is not working and things like that just start to look really bad.

.......................probably the only time I've ever agreed with this poster, especially the bit I've highlighted.................



......................and (whilst not standing up for him for one moment) although the situation is worse this season than last, weren't there almost as many calls for his head at this point in the season last year?..................

 

[shouldbee]

Then you're living in cloud-cuckoo-land. The board of directors are far too sensible to be swayed by the usual hysterical baying for blood that follows on from a bad run. The intensity of the current disappointment is directly proportionate to the absurdly over-inflated expectations that were raised at the beginning of the season.

Then, as you remember, everyone was praising AS's acumen and initiative in lining up a free-scoring forward line that included MacDonald, Forster, Alexander and Cort, to which, very astutely, he added the extremely effective Simpson.

Some of you may just have noticed that all of these bar Alexander have over a period of several games been either absent through injury or playing while in need of an operation. No-one on this site knows for absolutely certain just how bad the fitness crisis among the forwards is, but clearly it's bad and the manager has been forced to improvise.

Give Scott a break, will you? Or stop calling yourselves supporters.

I support Brentford Football Club and am a long term season ticket holder, but I do not support Scott who I believe is damaging the football club, and I suggest you keep you comments re; supporters to yourself.
If you're that passionate about the club why aren't you a member of Bees United and a season ticket holder ?

 

[Davee]

.......................probably the only time I've ever agreed with this poster, especially the bit I've highlighted.................



......................and (whilst not standing up for him for one moment) although the situation is worse this season than last, weren't there almost as many calls for his head at this point in the season last year?..................

No, it was a much smaller reaction last year, things weren't quite so bad.

 

[sussexb]

Then you're living in cloud-cuckoo-land. The board of directors are far too sensible to be swayed by the usual hysterical baying for blood that follows on from a bad run. The intensity of the current disappointment is directly proportionate to the absurdly over-inflated expectations that were raised at the beginning of the season.

Then, as you remember, everyone was praising AS's acumen and initiative in lining up a free-scoring forward line that included MacDonald, Forster, Alexander and Cort, to which, very astutely, he added the extremely effective Simpson.

Some of you may just have noticed that all of these bar Alexander have over a period of several games been either absent through injury or playing while in need of an operation. No-one on this site knows for absolutely certain just how bad the fitness crisis among the forwards is, but clearly it's bad and the manager has been forced to improvise.

Give Scott a break, will you? Or stop calling yourselves supporters.

Expectations are inflated - but not absurdly so in my view. Scott has been trusted with a huge budget and a massive opportunity thanks to Matthew Benham. At the moment he is showing no signs of being the man to take advantage of that, IMO.

And I don't support Scott, or KOC, or any player or manager. I support Brentford Football Club. So kindly keep your holier than thou's to yourself.

 

[Gosport Bee]

Expectations are inflated - but not absurdly so in my view. Scott has been trusted with a huge budget and a massive opportunity thanks to Matthew Benham. At the moment he is showing no signs of being the man to take advantage of that, IMO.

And I don't support Scott, or KOC, or any player or manager. I support Brentford Football Club. So kindly keep your holier than thou's to yourself.

 

[Sweepy]

I assume he hasn't ****ed off yet then.

 

[cwebster]

why do you have be so patronising??

Well said

 

[south coast bees]

I assume he hasn't ****ed off yet then.

 

[Gosport Bee]

Got the day off so been listening to SSN in hope but nothing yet

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Got the day off so been listening to SSN in hope but nothing yet

I reckon your safe to watch the bird from Countdown now, there's nothing to see here.

 

[cliffbee]

What short memories people have! I didn't support the choice of AS as manager, but let's look at the facts. When AS took over we were sinking in League 2. He took us up the table that season, delivered the championship the next season and 9th place last season (which was a massive over-achievement). Less than a dozen games into a season in which we have taken two big scalps in the cup and, according to the poll on here, a majority of people want to sack him. Ridiculous! In the past I have supported the sacking of no-hopers such as Downes but Scott's RECORD is enough to justify giving him a lot more time. If we are still in the mire after half a dozen more games, then start talking about getting rid of him, not now. Clubs that show no loyalty deserve to sink... let's not be one of those clubs

 

[I'll Bee Damned]

What short memories people have! I didn't support the choice of AS as manager, but let's look at the facts. When AS took over we were sinking in League 2. He took us up the table that season, delivered the championship the next season and 9th place last season (which was a massive over-achievement). Less than a dozen games into a season in which we have taken two big scalps in the cup and, according to the poll on here, a majority of people want to sack him. Ridiculous! In the past I have supported the sacking of no-hopers such as Downes but Scott's RECORD is enough to justify giving him a lot more time. If we are still in the mire after half a dozen more games, then start talking about getting rid of him, not now. Clubs that show no loyalty deserve to sink... let's not be one of those clubs

Would agree with this if the football was good but we were unlucky with results, if the players appeared motivated by AS's managment style, if we was trying to stick with a settled side with players playing in the right postions, if he stcuk with players who had earnt the right to keep their place and if he hadn't spent a load of cash. However, because of those ifs I cannot agree with you I am affraid.

 

[burnhambee]

Nothing like backing someone when the going gets tough !

 

[bonafidebee]

Nothing like backing someone when the going gets tough !

I think that is what the board is doing but hopefully with close scrutinity over what is going on. I hope the players are backing Scott but if not, he's doomed. The fans are poles apart and are unlikely to be reconcilled.

 

[sussexb]

What short memories people have! I didn't support the choice of AS as manager, but let's look at the facts. When AS took over we were sinking in League 2. He took us up the table that season, delivered the championship the next season and 9th place last season (which was a massive over-achievement). Less than a dozen games into a season in which we have taken two big scalps in the cup and, according to the poll on here, a majority of people want to sack him. Ridiculous! In the past I have supported the sacking of no-hopers such as Downes but Scott's RECORD is enough to justify giving him a lot more time. If we are still in the mire after half a dozen more games, then start talking about getting rid of him, not now. Clubs that show no loyalty deserve to sink... let's not be one of those clubs

I'll Be Damned did a very good job of showing why his RECORD over the last 46/30/20/10 games can also be seen to be not good enough to give him a lot more time.

 

[nick logan]

Is it just me getting annoyed with the " is he gone yet posts " I know lots of you want him out but you know full well that if that happens we will all get 12 million texts from people confirming it. We would all know within seconds.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Just been for a poo, has he gone yet?

 

[maddogging]

What short memories people have! I didn't support the choice of AS as manager, but let's look at the facts. When AS took over we were sinking in League 2. He took us up the table that season, delivered the championship the next season and 9th place last season (which was a massive over-achievement). Less than a dozen games into a season in which we have taken two big scalps in the cup and, according to the poll on here, a majority of people want to sack him. Ridiculous! In the past I have supported the sacking of no-hopers such as Downes but Scott's RECORD is enough to justify giving him a lot more time. If we are still in the mire after half a dozen more games, then start talking about getting rid of him, not now. Clubs that show no loyalty deserve to sink... let's not be one of those clubs

all these comparisons do my nut in. It is very much not like for like. When Downes left we were in Lg 1 with no doubt a far less healthier budget than currently being wasted by Scott. Leroy the same. The only manager you can compare Scott to is Butcher.

 

[wayfarer172]

Just been for a poo, has he gone yet?

That was soooooooooooo funny NB rofl rofl rofl

 

[nick logan]

The only manager you can compare Scott to is Butcher.

Don't get this comment.

 

[vcmazz]

Just been for a poo, has he gone yet?

No. But he sends this message. He realises it was poo. But he can't explain it. He sees no reason to change anything though and suggests you go for another one same time tomorrow .

 

[maddogging]

Don't get this comment.

everyone saying he is better than Downes/Leroy blah blah blah. Those guys had bugger all budget to play with in League 1 and were fired. Scott is pissing a big budget up the wall and this seems to be lost on quite a few.

 

[nick logan]

everyone saying he is better than Downes/Leroy blah blah blah. Those guys had bugger all budget to play with in League 1 and were fired. Scott is pissing a big budget up the wall and this seems to be lost on quite a few.

Yes but the squad has visible quality. Leroy wouldn't have won league 2 with Real Madrids budget.

 

[Stanley]

My guess is he will get to the end of the month and the Board will look at it in the light of results from now and until then.

That probably is fair if you take away fans natural desire for quick change when things are going wrong and that there have been some very good performances ths season amongst some very poor ones. If we could trade the four cup victories for four league victories we wouldn't even be discussing this.

 

[alansc]

wait another six games and we will be well and truly in the s??t

 

[westwing]

He should stay and see the Brum game out.
If we get no wins, then he should go !

 

[Gosport Bee]

What could be worrying is if we pick up some points over the next couple of games & it hides reality
End of the month at the very latest

 

[NorthamptonBee]

What could be worrying is if we pick up some points over the next couple of games & it hides reality
End of the month at the very latest

I'm with you, I want to win every game but we paper over these huge cracks and it will all start over again.

 

[I'll Bee Damned]

Nothing like backing someone when the going gets tough !

I backed him last year when things were tough and during the previous season when we had blips and people were calling for his head. I had my reservations but felt he needed backing. I have changed my opinion that he now needs to go only since the last press conference when he once again stated that it is the players' fault and his system works. It clearly doesn't and the statement suggests he will not change. This leads me to think that results, therefore, won't change either and he is, therefore, not the answer.

Looking back I am begining to think we got 9th place last year (flattering we were almost as close to relegation as POs going on our points total - 15th at best would have been the position compared to previous years final places) was achieved despite AS not because of him and the chickens have come home now - this might be unfair and down to my feelings about the current plight but there was much to critisise for a long time - public slating of players, dreary football, dropping players who earned their place, players out of position, plus some of the more personnal accusations around his arrogance etc etc. The cons now outweigh the pros.:sad:

 

[hypa123]

What could be worrying is if we pick up some points

Oh yes. Far better that Brentford should lose. How many losses would you prefer? Five? Eight? Ten at the most ought to do it.

 

[Gosport Bee]

Oh yes. Far better that Brentford should lose. How many losses would you prefer? Five? Eight? Ten at the most ought to do it.

Thats not what i'm saying is it , try reading the post properly

 

[JOABee]

tranmere will be a key game bu i agree with other posters that the cup success will give scott more time but no points before them and a resounding loss could see the end i'm afraid. I've always liked him but he doesnt seem able to motivate the players or manage the bigger budget.

Anyone who is comparing him to butcher/leroy after what Scott's done in the last few years is an idiot.

 

[Gosport Bee]

Oh yes. Far better that Brentford should lose. How many losses would you prefer? Five? Eight? Ten at the most ought to do it.

So you would be happy to pick up a few points in the next couple of games & then go on a 10 game losing run then