Andy Scott, Your Thoughts Please?

[Ghost]

Rotherham fan here.

It seems as though Andy Scott's time at Rotherham may be coming to an end, unless there is a dramatic upturn in form.

Every week, he says the same things in his post match interview. 'The players don't listen to what they've been told', 'If they do as I tell them it works and they need to realise that'.

He plays people out of position at the expense of better players, he uses a 4-4-2 formation when it's obvious we need to change it. He promised us promotion, but he is failing miserably. He doesn't appear to have built any solid foundations in the team, despite changing virtually every member of the backroom staff, getting rid of people who'd been loyal servants.

My question is, although he got you promoted, did he build a solid foundation to your squad, and did he get the best out of his players?

rofl

 

[Orp_Bee]

He has had money. In fact, we've had over half a million in upfront transfer payments coming in since the end of last season. When we made a good start, he said we could win the league. We then went something like ten without a win, which is when he first started having a go at the players.

He spent last Summer rebuilding, bringing in a number of players from Championship clubs, some of whom he has subsequently shipped out or has just not played. I think the biggest problem is that we seem to be worse than last season, and have players who play like they don't know what they're supposed to be doing. Out of their natural positions, or in the team one week, have a good game, then inexplicably out of the team again.

My biggest fear is that all this rebuilding has taken us backwards, and there don't seem to be any players to build a good team around. And the younger ones are having their confidence destroyed with his criticism.

Classic Scott. Thats exactly what happened to Karleigh Osbourne. He does seem to single people out.

 

[Southern Bee]

AS was a good manager when it was going well, but the moment it got tough, he fell. He has no bottle and arguably if he'd have admitted his mistakes and made changes that all the fans were crying for, he'd still be here now.. but he stuck with the same players and the style of football was horrific.

Good Luck

 

[bees66]

Jon Harley was magnificent for us. Guy Branston, mostly injured or suspended.

when do you move in to your new ground?

 

[favershambee]

Less said the better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[JOABee]

He will soon reach his phase of signing every single right winger he can find on loan and playing them in every position.......

Decent manager first few season but handled his players very poorly and developed a bad style of football. When things start to go wrong for Mr Scott it is a steady slide down to failure I'm afraid.

 

[Beesfan]

but he stuck with the same players and the style of football was horrific.

Good Luck

I'm sure as time passes the style of football he played at Brentford gets worse and worse. Was it really horrific? I'm no fan of his but I don't recall his style of football being horrific when we were doing well under him. Yes it was direct but no more direct than we are used to at Griffin Park. It was alot more entertaining under Scott than it is now.

 

[KGB]

And no-one has mentioned his contribution as Butcher's Assistant Manager which helped get us into the mess in the first place............

 

[beebopalula]

I'm sure as time passes the style of football he played at Brentford gets worse and worse. Was it really horrific? I'm no fan of his but I don't recall his style of football being horrific when we were doing well under him. Yes it was direct but no more direct than we are used to at Griffin Park. It was alot more entertaining under Scott than it is now.

roflrofl

 

[shouldbee]

I think people should be VERY careful about criticising Scott's man management style after what happened on Saturday.......glass houses etc ?

 

[NorthamptonBee]

And no-one has mentioned his contribution as Butcher's Assistant Manager which helped get us into the mess in the first place............

That's always forgotten, please wipe this from your mind and behave.

 

[MetalBee]

Scott always struck me as someone who's hungry for success with a bit of an ego.

He talks a good game and has a heavy focus on fitness.

If you don't fit into his plans though you'll likely be frozen out.

I wouldn't write him off personally but I think he could benefit from having an older and more experienced head to guide him. Even though I don't like it generally the Director Of Football/Head Coach model is how I could see him thriving.

 

[Bill Benn]

He has had money. In fact, we've had over half a million in upfront transfer payments coming in since the end of last season. When we made a good start, he said we could win the league. We then went something like ten without a win, which is when he first started having a go at the players.

He spent last Summer rebuilding, bringing in a number of players from Championship clubs, some of whom he has subsequently shipped out or has just not played. I think the biggest problem is that we seem to be worse than last season, and have players who play like they don't know what they're supposed to be doing. Out of their natural positions, or in the team one week, have a good game, then inexplicably out of the team again.

My biggest fear is that all this rebuilding has taken us backwards, and there don't seem to be any players to build a good team around. And the younger ones are having their confidence destroyed with his criticism.

Andy Scott will realise the old saying"don't forget your friends on the way up you might need them on the way down"He dissed the people who helped him in the early days as our manager when he got us promoted he became Jack the biscuit,

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Andy Scott will realise the old saying"don't forget your friends on the way up you might need them on the way down"He dissed the people who helped him in the early days as our manager when he got us promoted he became Jack the biscuit,

Is that like soggy biscuit?

 

[Balders Bee]

I loved him, I often asked him for a wave, sang his name and could see no wrong in him. I wasn't alone.

Yes agreed but it was bit like a brief marriage, we met (working under Butcher), a brief courtship followed by a full blown love affair (the championship), got married (mid table in first season in a strong division) but then grew very disenchanted with each other and went for a 'quickie divorce' -(2010-11):sad:

The bloke is not all bad but has a major character failing in not recognising and addressing his own faults. When things don't go for him his insecurity surfaces and he becomes very insular and isolates himself from the fans and ultimately the players. You're either his 'friend' or his 'enemy' and can go from one to the other in a very short space of time. That said I'm very grateful that he restored some of this clubs pride in his first two seasons in charge. Unfortunately it looks as though his demons have surfaced a lot quicker in his tenure with yourselves Millerman.

 

[nanny58]

Millerman do you have a mirror on the halfway line so he can admire his suits and his one trick pony approach to sub standard football ps hows our reserves doing up north

 

[beebopalula]

I think people should be VERY careful about criticising Scott's man management style after what happened on Saturday.......glass houses etc ?

How do you know Clayton saw it like you? Myles had been warming up to come on. Players get subbed-it's part of the job.

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

And no-one has mentioned his contribution as Butcher's Assistant Manager which helped get us into the mess in the first place............

Didn't Butcher blame Scott for his dismissal??

 

[shouldbee]

How do you know Clayton saw it like you? Myles had been warming up to come on. Players get subbed-it's part of the job.

How do you know he didn't ?

 

[stano]

he often had a go at the fans and every week we heard that "we played well but were unlucky" and when we won you got the feeling he was saying i told you so !

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Rotherham fan here.

It seems as though Andy Scott's time at Rotherham may be coming to an end, unless there is a dramatic upturn in form.

Every week, he says the same things in his post match interview. 'The players don't listen to what they've been told', 'If they do as I tell them it works and they need to realise that'.

He plays people out of position at the expense of better players, he uses a 4-4-2 formation when it's obvious we need to change it. He promised us promotion, but he is failing miserably. He doesn't appear to have built any solid foundations in the team, despite changing virtually every member of the backroom staff, getting rid of people who'd been loyal servants.

My question is, although he got you promoted, did he build a solid foundation to your squad, and did he get the best out of his players?

Dont complain, at least until he moves the bleedin dugouts!rofl

 

[hanworthbee]

had some good times with Scott and he made 2 of the best loan signings we have ever made (and lots of the worst) ..all went a bit sour towards the end and the players playing absolutely sh*t didnt help his cause either.

 

[hypa123]

Scott always struck me as someone who's hungry for success with a bit of an ego.

That's probably as good a definition of a successful manager as you're likely to get.

Mr Millerman, there are a lot of Scott-haters on this website and you need to read what you see here with a good dose of salt. Judge Scott on his record. An L2 championship medal in his first full season with Brentford. A decent enough season-and-a-half in L1 and then a catastrophic January, followed by the axe.

Like the vast majority of managers Scott has his good and his bad qualities (sometimes the same thing, differing only according to the context). It's true that his man-management and his public relations skills are a work in progress. However I think you would be well advised to let him get on with his job until it's clearly established that's he's not up to it, and as far as I can see, with Rotherham just four points off a play-off place with almost half the season still to go, it's far too soon to be thinking about P45s.

There are some loose similarities between Scott's situation now and that of Uwe Rösler here at Brentford (though I think Rösler is the better manager of the two). They are similarly placed in the league in their first season with their current club. In both cases, the team have gone off the boil somewhat following a bright start, and the natives are getting restless. We live in an age of instant gratification and too many fans appear to think they have a right to success here and now, on demand. Football, as you're probably wise enough to know, doesn't work like that. Managers, like players, even good ones, are fallible and have their good and bad periods. They have their ups and downs, they work by trial and error, and they need time to grow into the job. When everything clicks and everyone is on song, it's terrific and we have the best team in the whole goddam league. When it doesn't and they're not, the same players are a load of donkeys and the manager doesn't know his Rs from a hole in the ground. Give him another 10 games at least. Better still, give him another 12 months.

 

[Wee Dave]

If Andy Scott had left Brentford four months earlier than he did, say to go to a bigger club, people would be saying very different things about him. It all went sour at the end and by many accounts he lost the dressing room completely - certainly his press conference tact needs some work. Bearing in mind it was his first job in management I think his record is pretty good to be honest. Also as someone said up there, you're just off the playoffs, shut your face

 

[shouldbee]

That's probably as good a definition of a successful manager as you're likely to get.

Mr Millerman, there are a lot of Scott-haters on this website and you need to read what you see here with a good dose of salt. Judge Scott on his record. An L2 championship medal in his first full season with Brentford. A decent enough season-and-a-half in L2 and then a catastrophic January, followed by the axe.

Like the vast majority of managers Scott has his good and his bad qualities (sometimes the same thing, differing only according to the context). It's true that his man-management and his public relations skills are a work in progress. However I think you would be well advised to let him get on with his job until it's clearly established that's he's not up to it, and as far as I can see, with Rotherham just four points off a play-off place with almost half the season still to go, it's far too soon to be thinking about P45s.

There are some loose similarities between Scott's situation now and that of Uwe Rösler here at Brentford (though I think Rösler is the better manager of the two). They are similarly placed in the league in their first season with their current club. In both cases, the team have gone off the boil somewhat following a bright start, and the natives are getting restless. We live in an age of instant gratification and too many fans appear to think they have a right to success here and now, on demand. Football, as you're probably wise enough to know, doesn't work like that. Managers, like players, even good ones, are fallible and have their good and bad periods. They have their ups and downs, they work by trial and error, and they need time to grow into the job. When everything clicks and everyone is on song, it's terrific and we have the best team in the whole goddam league. When it doesn't and they're not, the same players are a load of donkeys and the manager doesn't know his Rs from a hole in the ground. Give him another 10 games at least. Better still, give him another 12 months.

Nothing less than I would expect from you Hypa, however you've made some good points. I was never a Scott fan and was pleased to him depart but to his credit he did get us promoted and his loan signings were top drawer, Chesney, Rhodes, James Wilson, Clarke and Bostock. But there were big downsides and some real iffy signings. Nowadays we don't appear to have the connections with the likes of Arsenal and Spurs, does anyone know why ? :sad:

 

[absenteebee]

As an outsider, I thought rotherham were hasty getting rid of Ronnie Moore. Reckon the chairman probably thinks so too.

Is his (AS) job really in jeopardy? I thought some massive clubs in your region were looking to give you buckets load of cash for Lewis Grabban? Nice little profit.

Also the Pole in Goal at the Arse is a big AS fan. Honest.

 

[Beesfan]

And no-one has mentioned his contribution as Butcher's Assistant Manager which helped get us into the mess in the first place............

....and then redeemed the situation and got us promoted. Surely then he can be forgiven. We were in alot better position when Scott left from when he took over as manager and assistant manager.

 

[Bigbee]

Hi Newbie here

My mate still reckons that we only got promoted due to exeptional loanees . I mean like the striker bloke who scored at Darlington to win promotion .We had a couple of above league one keepers too I understand . I think it was Thiery Henry or some other damn foreigbner who played within the sticks for us , he was from Arsenal I remember that . Maybe it was Basingstoke ,drove a grey Mazda

 

[Millerman]

I think a lot of Rotherham fans are still pro Ronnie Moore, so AS had a tough job to live up to. Unfortunately, after the great start to the season, he came out on local radio lauding it up saying we wanted to win the league. And now instead of accepting a bit of egg on the face, he's blaming the players for not listening to him. When we win he takes all the credit for them doing what he's told them to do.

Lewis Grabban has been ok for us. Not particularly consistently outstanding, and if some local 'massive' club were to offer a few hundred grand for him, I would hope we'd snatch their hand off! Sam Wood is hard working, and does the basics right (except when playing at left back).

We move into our new stadium in July, and AS has come out in the press today, threatening the players that they might not be playing there. I personally don't think he'll be leading us out there.

 

[KGB]

....and then redeemed the situation and got us promoted. Surely then he can be forgiven. We were in alot better position when Scott left from when he took over as manager and assistant manager.

Maybe so, but how much did he contribute to Butcher's demise & how helpful was he?

Players like Thorpe & Mackie were almost certainly As's recommendations & I wonder how much they cost us in settlements?

Promotion, albeit from a very weak division, is certainly to Scott's credit & I really enjoyed that season but I think you have to also give great credit to the board for backing AS to the hilt. with the resources to get us promoted

 

[maddogging]

Lewis Grabban only ok, you want to be a Brentford fan, we think he is better than Messi !

 

[SQUELCH]

I
Lewis Grabban has been ok for us. Not particularly consistently outstanding, and if some local 'massive' club were to offer a few hundred grand for him, I would hope we'd snatch their hand off! Sam Wood is hard working, and does the basics right (except when playing at left back).

Exactly the same as he was @ BFC.

Hope the new stadium gets going for you guys and boosts the area and attendance.

 

[Beesfan]

Maybe so, but how much did he contribute to Butcher's demise & how helpful was he?

Players like Thorpe & Mackie were almost certainly As's recommendations & I wonder how much they cost us in settlements?

Promotion, albeit from a very weak division, is certainly to Scott's credit & I really enjoyed that season but I think you have to also give great credit to the board for backing AS to the hilt. with the resources to get us promoted

But all managers buy players that turn out to be flops. Its not relevant how much he contributed to Butchers demise, he turned things around without Butcher. I don't believe that someone like Butcher was that heavily influenced by his assistant. Was the division any weaker than any other year? What do you base this on? So what if it was a weak division there was nothing Scott could do about that. He is one of a handful of bees manager that have actually won something, why some fans want to keep belittling his achievements with us is beyond me.

I am no Scott fan but as someone else mentioned if he had left 4 months earlier to go to a club higher up the league table the vast majority of Bees fans would have been gutted. Yes the final 3-4 months were awful but this re-writing of his tenure is now ridiculous.

 

[detours]

But all managers buy players that turn out to be flops. Its not relevant how much he contributed to Butchers demise, he turned things around without Butcher. I don't believe that someone like Butcher was that heavily influenced by his assistant. Was the division any weaker than any other year? What do you base this on? So what if it was a weak division there was nothing Scott could do about that. He is one of a handful of bees manager that have actually won something, why some fans want to keep belittling his achievements with us is beyond me.

I am no Scott fan but as someone else mentioned if he had left 4 months earlier to go to a club higher up the league table the vast majority of Bees fans would have been gutted. Yes the final 3-4 months were awful but this re-writing of his tenure is now ridiculous.

Very good post. People on here have absolutely ignored the 2 1/2 good seasons he gave us, and rewrite his legacy as 3 years of doom and gloom. I have loads of good memories from Scott's tenure, despite his eventual downfall.

Brentford fans are strange, despite Uwe being a 'nice guy', us being in a good position, and him only having been in charge half a season Uwe has still managed to bring down a fair amount of hate upon himself.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Does anyone really think about AS anymore? I couldn't give a monkeys about him, if Rotherham win, lose or draw, if they go up, stay down or he gets the sack, maybe a jump to a higher league are all totally irelevant to us.
I'm glad he's not our manager but really don't give him a second thought, that goes for Grabban, Charlie Mac, Dean Holdsworth and Lee Thorpe.

 

[wanderer paul]

Does anyone really think about AS anymore? I couldn't give a monkeys about him, if Rotherham win, lose or draw, if they go up, stay down or he gets the sack, maybe a jump to a higher league are all totally irelevant to us.
I'm glad he's not our manager but really don't give him a second thought, that goes for Grabban, Charlie Mac, Dean Holdsworth and Lee Thorpe.

Heartless bast..d. A bit of love for Deano surely?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Heartless bast..d. A bit of love for Deano surely?

They don't like him at Aldershot. Lucky escape I think - let him stay a hero.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

They don't like him at Aldershot. Lucky escape I think - let him stay a hero.

To be fair, if our manager was always on the box saying that our fans know what to expect as they have a bad budget or that they can't compete with the bigger bods, I wouldn't be overly happy. I've seen Dean do that a few too many times, football is not all about budgets, it never has been and never will be.

 

[Beesfan]

Very good post. People on here have absolutely ignored the 2 1/2 good seasons he gave us, and rewrite his legacy as 3 years of doom and gloom. I have loads of good memories from Scott's tenure, despite his eventual downfall.

Brentford fans are strange, despite Uwe being a 'nice guy', us being in a good position, and him only having been in charge half a season Uwe has still managed to bring down a fair amount of hate upon himself.

Scott made me proud to be a Brentford fan again, the win against Everton is the greatest night at Griffin Park I have had in 25 years. The win against Luton and finish the season as champions will long live in the my memory.

I too have forgot about him and to be honest I was happy when he went but its not fair that his legacy gets tarnished as readily as it does on here.

 

[dbee3]

Scott made me proud to be a Brentford fan again, the win against Everton is the greatest night at Griffin Park I have had in 25 years. The win against Luton and finish the season as champions will long live in the my memory.

I too have forgot about him and to be honest I was happy when he went but its not fair that his legacy gets tarnished as readily as it does on here.

His legacy is the reason we are where we are in terms of having too many average players in our squad, is it not?

Not denying there were some great times during his tenure, but, in the main, a lot of our football in this league under him was very boring indeed. I accepted it in our first season back, but it soon became clear we would have to endure it every bloody game with him in charge. The turnover of players during his regime was absurd.

Yes, we had some great cup nights under him, and Southampton away was also pretty good, but he did go quite a long way to tarnishing what he had achieved previous in the final few months of his tenure. The 'closing ranks' comment was ridiculous, and he always came across as a little smug after we had won a game last season, as though he had proved us all wrong, when in fact, we should all have been pulling in the same direction.

Anyway, as NB and others have said, he has gone and that is that. I don't really care about what he does in his future career, thank him for the good times and shall also remember him as one of my favourite players back in the late 90s/early 00s (not a popular view, I know, but I was only approaching my teenage years when he was here as a player, so perhaps didn't see what others did ).

 

[Bill Benn]

Does anyone really think about AS anymore? I couldn't give a monkeys about him, if Rotherham win, lose or draw, if they go up, stay down or he gets the sack, maybe a jump to a higher league are all totally irelevant to us.
I'm glad he's not our manager but really don't give him a second thought, that goes for Grabban, Charlie Mac, Dean Holdsworth and Lee Thorpe.

Unless of course you have a new book coming out

 

[Bungy Bee]

Tell him not to move the dug-outs as well......lol...YOU REDS....

 

[Millerman]

Well, around 3000 home fans there today to witness the worst performance by a Rotherham side in many a year. Around 2000 booed and a chorus of "You don't know what you're doing" rang out after he made a mystifying substitution.

 

[bees66]

Well, around 3000 home fans there today to witness the worst performance by a Rotherham side in many a year. Around 2000 booed and a chorus of "You don't know what you're doing" rang out after he made a mystifying substitution.

lol excellent...

 

[Millerman]

The unfortunate thing is, that our chairman sacked the local hero Ronnie Moore for having a better team, in a better league position. He is caught between not knowing whether to stick or twist this time around, making himself look a plonker in case he drops one again. I have come of the fence today. AS must go. This season can be written off in RUFC history as far as I'm concerned. If AS takes us into the new stadium, and new era, we may end up the next Darlington (and I hope they survive).

 

[SCBee]

Well, around 3000 home fans there today to witness the worst performance by a Rotherham side in many a year. Around 2000 booed and a chorus of "You don't know what you're doing" rang out after he made a mystifying substitution.

We have the very well-worn and fraying t-shirt mate!
Good luck when you eventually get shot - it's the only way to go!

 

[bees66]

The unfortunate thing is, that our chairman sacked the local hero Ronnie Moore for having a better team, in a better league position. He is caught between not knowing whether to stick or twist this time around, making himself look a plonker in case he drops one again. I have come of the fence today. AS must go. This season can be written off in RUFC history as far as I'm concerned. If AS takes us into the new stadium, and new era, we may end up the next Darlington (and I hope they survive).

Moore is a good manager, not forgetting a player I feared as a fan...

 

[ChinaBee]

Motivation at its best.....................couldnt make it up
http://www.football-league.co.uk/league2/news/20120127/scott-issues-stark-warning_2293326_2590978

 

[bees66]

Motivation at its best.....................couldnt make it up
http://http://www.football-league.c...27/scott-issues-stark-warning_2293326_2590978

not working, bit like AS right now...

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I wonder if there are Millers telling others to be careful for what they wish for, that they are only 9 points off 6th and could be part of their club's demise and all that other noise by suggesting that Scott is a useless ****?