Ashes squad for the winter

[super J]

This was being discussed on tms today, lots of support for Tredwell as second spinner and the option of Bairstow going as second wicket keeper. What do people think?

17 man squad I assume, I would go:

Batsmen:
Cook
Root
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Compton
Taylor

Wicket keepers
Prior
Bairstow

Fast bowlers:
Anderson
Broad
Bresnan
Finn
Tremlett
Onions

Spinners
Swann
Panesar

 

[opinions5u]

I don't think Panesar will go.

I suspect Kerrigan will go and not play.

 

[SC]

Tredwell is Mr dependable but i don't think we need a Mr dependable as a 2nd spinner in Australia. Monty, I'm guessing will go on the A-tour to see if his head is right. Kerrigan or a n other young spinner would be my bet, just so they can get experience of carrying drinks for a few months, I mean, get a chance to adapt to being in the main Test touring party.

I would have thought most of the squad picks itself from those that have played in this series or been on the verge of the team so I'll go with Super J's 17 but with a change to the 2nd spinner

 

[stedders]

I think Monty's stock might have risen slightly – following the difficulties Kerrigan faced. I think Monty will be the second spinner.

I don't think Compton is the answer. I would prefer someone like Michael Carberry, I know he's getting on in cricketing terms – but I think Chris Rogers has shown a good lead.

 

[SmiffyBee]

17 man squad

Batsmen:
Cook
Root
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Compton
Taylor

Wicket keepers
Prior
Bairstow

Fast bowlers:
Anderson
Broad
Bresnan
Finn
Tremlett
Onions

Spinners
Swann
Panesar

My 14

Cook
Root
Compton
Trott
Peterson
Tavare

Prior
Glennj24678

Anderson
Broad
Onions
Gladstone Small
Swann
Holysmit

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I don't see the point in taking Onions. I'd prefer to see someone like Ben Stokes go instead. Panesar will go if he says he wants to. My squad would be;

Batsmen:
Cook
Root
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Carberry
Bairstow
Stokes

Wicket keepers
Prior

Fast bowlers:
Anderson
Broad
Bresnan
Finn
Tremlett
Woakes

Spinners
Swann
Panesar

 

[SmiffyBee]

I don't see the point in taking Onions. I'd prefer to see someone like Ben Stokes go instead. Panesar will go if he says he wants to. My squad would be;

Batsmen:
Cook
Root
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Carberry
Bairstow
Stokes

Wicket keepers
Prior

Fast bowlers:
Anderson
Broad
Bresnan
Finn
Tremlett
Woakes

Spinners
Swann
Panesar

Onions should always be taken.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Onions should always be taken.

I knew what the next post would be even as I was typing ......

 

[Salford Bee]

Tredwell is Mr dependable but i don't think we need a Mr dependable as a 2nd spinner in Australia. Monty, I'm guessing will go on the A-tour to see if his head is right. Kerrigan or a n other young spinner would be my bet, just so they can get experience of carrying drinks for a few months, I mean, get a chance to adapt to being in the main Test touring party.

I would have thought most of the squad picks itself from those that have played in this series or been on the verge of the team so I'll go with Super J's 17 but with a change to the 2nd spinner

Am I right in thinking the England Lions are also in Australia this winter?

I would have Kerrigan in the touring party for experience and have Monty in the Lions squad (if they are in Australia).

I wouldn't have Bairstow in the squad as back-up keeper. I'd rather have someone like Steven Davies, who keeps regularly for their county. As a potential back-up opening option, I'd look at Rory Burns.

 

[whyteleafebee76]

Monty should definitely go, he is the 2nd best spinner we have.

 

[Salford Bee]

Monty should definitely go, he is the 2nd best spinner we have.

I don't think there is a situation where we'd use two spinners. If the players on the Lions tour are nearby, we can always call them up.

 

[opinions5u]

Monty should definitely go, he is the 2nd best spinner we have.

Head doesn't seem to be in the right place.

I'd not want somebody screwed up in a tour party unless they are exceptional.

 

[Holysmit]

I don't see the point in taking Onions. I'd prefer to see someone like Ben Stokes go instead. Panesar will go if he says he wants to. My squad would be;

They won't take Stokes because he's a bit of an idoit, got kicked off the Lions tour last year because of misdemeanours.

My squad would be

Batsmen
Cook
Carberry
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Root
Bairstow

Wicketkeepers
Prior
Davis (sh*t I agree with Salford)

Seamers
Anderson
Broad
Bresnan
Finn
Tremlett
Onions
Woakes

Spinners
Swann
Borthwick

 

[whyteleafebee76]

Head doesn't seem to be in the right place.

I'd not want somebody screwed up in a tour party unless they are exceptional.

Nor was Pietersons's head this time last year and they got him into the winter tour squads.

 

[super J]

Does Borthwick even play for his county?

I don't get the fuss about Monty, did some silly things but I don't think it justifies missing a whole tour. He should go and then Kerrigan will be out there in the Lions squad. We won't play two spinners but if Swann picked up an injury on the morning of the game I'd much rather have Monty to call upon.

In surprised Salford hasn't selected Glenn Chapple in his squad

 

[Salford Bee]

Does Borthwick even play for his county?

I don't get the fuss about Monty, did some silly things but I don't think it justifies missing a whole tour. He should go and then Kerrigan will be out there in the Lions squad. We won't play two spinners but if Swann picked up an injury on the morning of the game I'd much rather have Monty to call upon.

In surprised Salford hasn't selected Glenn Chapple in his squad

He's too old and his chance has gone, but his first-class bowling average is better than Bresnan's and his batting average only slightly lower. He must be one of the best county players never to have played Test cricket.

 

[Silly Chip]

Is my understanding wrong, but are we moving away from the traditional Ashes series every 2 years? Back to back this year and the Aussies back here in 2015!

If we lose the Ashes in Australia which might be likely, I'll be miffed if we only have a few months bragging time!

 

[The Pipe]

Think our bowlers will be Anderson Broad Tremlett Finn Onions Swan and Tremlett. Minty and Kerrigan to both go on Lions tour so can be called up if necessary

Think Bairstow will go as back up to Prior and is also therefore an additional batsman

Batters will be Cook Root KP Trott Bell and then a lottery either Carberry or Compton and possibly Taylor,

Think there will be one young player taken to gain experience that will surprise us

 

[The Pipe]

Amendment: 2 Tremletts! One should be Treadwell !!!

 

[super J]

Next World Cup is in Australia in 2015, authorities didn't want an Ashes series and a World Cup in the same Australian summer which is why it was moved. To avoid then not having any ashes cricket after that until 2017 the next series over here was brought forward until 2015.

 

[Silly Chip]

Thanks super J. So the Australian Ashes this winter is the series mean't to be scheduled for 2015? England have brought forward the home Ashes series from 2017 to 2015 which means the next Australian Ashes will be in 2019? Just wondering if they're trying to sneak in an additional series by confusing most like me?!

 

[super J]

The one starting in 3 months time would normally be the one that would have taken place 2014/2015.

The one that would have taken place in 2017 over here has been brought forward to 2015. Not sure what happens after that thought tbh.

 

[Holysmit]

Does Borthwick even play for his county?

Yes and bats at number 3.

 

[opinions5u]

Nor was Pietersons's head this time last year and they got him into the winter tour squads.

But he is exceptional.

 

[Holysmit]

But he is exceptional.

Other concern is with him unlikely to play, is the man going through what appears to be a break down a good person to have around/will it do him any good?

Pietersen was just a ****, he wasn't going through a breakdown.

 

[whyteleafebee76]

Other concern is with him unlikely to play, is the man going through what appears to be a break down a good person to have around/will it do him any good?

Pietersen was just a ****, he wasn't going through a breakdown.

If he is actually having a breakdown then a 3 month tour of Australia is not the place for him whether he is playing or not. If he has just lost his way and needs to re-focus then being in and around the squad may be helpful....I trust Andy Flower to make the right judgement for Monty and for England.

I so hope we actually have a dart at the 227 to win, even if we end up shutting up shop if we lose 4 or 5 wickets. Swann and Prior to open, Pietersen at 3!

 

[whyteleafebee76]

Or Cook and Root, ah well, 3-0 it is then.

 

[super J]

Maybe if he is having problems then 3 months in Australia away from all his problems at home is exactly what he needs? Just depends on his character I suppose.

 

[opinions5u]

Maybe if he is having problems then 3 months in Australia away from all his problems at home is exactly what he needs? Just depends on his character I suppose.

While that's possible it is a very high risk approach with potentially negative impacts for the squad as a whole.

It's a risk I'd take if it was Swann in a similar position, but not for Panesar. He's not special enough, much as he's loved by the Barmy Army.

 

[super J]

Squad announced next week apparently.

Have Rankin and maybe even Stokes given themselves a chance?

 

[davido_i]

Squad announced next week apparently.

Have Rankin and maybe even Stokes given themselves a chance?

Stokes should go even if the chances of his playing are slim to none.
With the Dev Squad in Oz, we have barrel-loads of replacements and it will do Stokes the world of good to be involved in the squad.
If we are serious about getting to No.1 we desperately need 5 bowlers, which needs an all-rounder in the Top 6

 

[whyteleafebee76]

Squad announced next week apparently.

Have Rankin and maybe even Stokes given themselves a chance?

Yes I think so, Rankin has looked good in the ODIs and is probably slightly ahead of Finn now. Stokes I would say is ahead of Woakes as an allrounder so would make my tour squad but is unlikely to play unless injuries kick in.

What's the general feeling about Morgan coming back into the test side to fill that number 6 spot? He hasn't weighed in with runs this summer but he is still pretty young and I think he could be a real game changer at 6, I'd give him another run in the test side.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I'd be interested in seeing Bopara back in the squad. Every game I've seen him this summer he has looked just about the best batsman on the pitch and should be ahead of Bairstow, Morgan and anyone else at 6. His bowling might be a bonus on a hot day as well.

 

[super J]

For me Bopara is a batsman who bowls a little bit but isn't going to get anyone out in test matches much as Bresnan I think is a bowler who bats a bit. We do need to find a proper all rounder and Stokes does look like he could be that player. Maybe this series is too soon but he could be worth a go in the squad. He's also had disciplinary issues in the past I believe so this could be a test to see if he's matured at all.

I like Rankin but its difficult to see who misses out. Anderson, Broad and Bresnan pick themselves so it's probably 3 from Tremlett, Rankin, Finn and Onions. Michael Vaughan was saying we will need Onions in case Anderson gets injured as you can't just have big tall bowlers. I think it would be harsh on Finn to be left out but all of a sudden he is starting to look a bit vulnerable.

 

[Wooburn Bee]

Stokes should go even if the chances of his playing are slim to none.
With the Dev Squad in Oz, we have barrel-loads of replacements and it will do Stokes the world of good to be involved in the squad.
If we are serious about getting to No.1 we desperately need 5 bowlers, which needs an all-rounder in the Top 6

Agreed about No 6 needs to be a real all-rounder. As long as we have a wicket keeper in the runs at 7 with Bresnan, Broad and Swann at 8, 9 and 10 we should have sufficient batting strength.

 

[Mr Tree]

@super J, yep, Stokes was sent home from the Lions tour last year

@whyteleafe, i'm not a fan of Morgan back in the test team yet, think he has much more to prove and may turn out to be just a limited-overs specialist (not the worst thing :shrug: )

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

I think there are 9 givens (barring injury): Cook, Root, Trott, Petersen, Bell, Prior, Broad, Swann and Anderson - Bresnan a 10th if fit.

I'd add Compton, Bairstow, Stokes (extra batsman, 2nd WK and all-rounder). Then 2 seamers (Finn and Tremlett) and another spinner (Panesar, if judged up to it). Last place probably another batsman: Morgan, Carberry, Bopara, Taylor all possibles

 

[The Pipe]

Think Finn may have dropped down the pecking order and would expect to see Monty on the Lions tour to rehabilitate him. Carberry may have done enough but would not be in the least surprised to see Compton in the party with Carberry in the Lions

Seems they were all impressed with the Sussex youngster on Monday and he may be the surprise selection as he has been " one for the future" and only injuries have held him back

 

[super J]

This was being discussed on tms today, lots of support for Tredwell as second spinner and the option of Bairstow going as second wicket keeper. What do people think?

17 man squad I assume, I would go:

Batsmen:
Cook
Root
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Compton
Taylor Stokes

Wicket keepers
Prior
Bairstow

Fast bowlers:
Anderson
Broad
Bresnan
Finn
TremlettRankin
Onions

Spinners
Swann
Panesar

Squad announced midday tomorrow. Think Rankin and Stokes have forced their way in.

 

[opinions5u]

Tremlett will be included.

 

[super J]

Tremlett will be included.

I just can't see it myself now that Rankin has come into the frame.

 

[whyteleafebee76]

I just can't see it myself now that Rankin has come into the frame.

I think they will only take 2 out of Finn, Tremlett and Rankin, I would say Rankin has gone ahead of the other 2 and Finn is a better long term prospect so although I rate Tremlett i'd go Finn and Rankin.......I think!

 

[opinions5u]

Tremlett battered them over there last time.

 

[The Pipe]

Don't think Finn will be included , expect him to be on the Lions tour

 

[super J]

Tremlett battered them over there last time.

Agreed but that was three years ago and he's hardly played since.

 

[Banana]

I'd be interested in seeing Bopara back in the squad. Every game I've seen him this summer he has looked just about the best batsman on the pitch and should be ahead of Bairstow, Morgan and anyone else at 6. His bowling might be a bonus on a hot day as well.

Strange, I've been completely unconvinced by him :shrug:

 

[Salford Bee]

I'd be interested in seeing Bopara back in the squad. Every game I've seen him this summer he has looked just about the best batsman on the pitch and should be ahead of Bairstow, Morgan and anyone else at 6. His bowling might be a bonus on a hot day as well.

In limited overs cricket, he's been England's best player in 2013 - my opinion. I am not sure if he can handle Test level though. Certainly a contender.

 

[The Pipe]

Bopara has done well in the one day squad but don't see him as a test player, on his day he can be very good but is extremely inconsistent and at times seems away with the faries

Would imagine he is another for the Lions tour so available to cover injuries but personally don't think he is quite good enough for either batting or bowling in a test team

 

[super J]

No Bresnan?

 

[Judio1999]

Looks like Bairstow is in as reserve keeper !!!