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Indiana at it again - after a remarkable comeback to win game 1 (after trailing by 14 with less than 3mins left!), they overpowered the Knicks last night to take a 2-0 lead, leaving New York in that position that we mentioned last round - they need to win 4 of the next 5, 3 of which will be away matches... great for Indy of course, but sad for New York. Brunson has been fantastic, but man, when is the penny ever going to drop for Towns... he can score, of course, but he kills his team with so much dumb sh*t, every game.

Eyes back to the West tonight to see if Minnesota can make a series of it... OKC dominated the first two games
 

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So the Finals start tonight. Oklahoma City Thunder are heavy favourites, they'll be at home for the first two games. They're a young team but they've come together very nicely over the last 3 years after a couple of seasons of bottoming out. Their star Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is a great story - now widely considered one of the top two players in the league (alongside Nikola Jokic), he won the official player of the season (MVP) award for the first time this year, so he'll have a clear spotlight on him...

Alongside him, wing Jalen Williams has developed into a very solid player - not quite a Pippen to SGA's Jordan... but pretty close. Big man Chet Holmgren, a no.2 draft pick 3yrs ago, is another who's already shown some fantastic flashes at an early stage. Can they keep it rolling in the finals? They're well supported by a pretty deep bench of competent players, including two more named Williams... Kenrich and bizarrely, Jaylin, whose name is indiscernible from Jalen, leading to much confusion all around ?‍♂️ two Scott Fitzgeralds indeed...

Indiana Pacers have done fantastically and deserve to be Eastern Conference champions, and anything can happen...

They're definitely one of those teams that's more than the sum of their parts. Their star, playmaker Tyrese Haliburton, would probably struggle to crack the top 10 of any "best player in the league" rankings, although maybe this run helps, and second banana, Cameroonian forward Pascal Siakam (who btw @mbeumo is on about $900k per week) would only be in the 35-40 range at best.

But they have veteran coach Rick Carlisle and since January, they've gone 56-18. They play a high-octane style and they've pulled off at least three incredible late comebacks already during this run, so now they're in the final two and they gave shot at the title!

Unfortunately, it does look like OKC neutralise a lot of what makes Indiana effective against other teams, including depth-wise - Indiana have had a series of great bench contributions so far, but OKC should be able to at least match their opponents.

If Indiana are going to have any shot at springing this upset, they need to steal one of these first two games, tonight or Sunday (Monday morning for us). OKC have been strong at home, but Indiana won the first two games as the lower seed underdog versus Cleveland and then New York too. Can they catch them cold tonight and make a series of if....
 

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Gah, disappointing to see two ghastly typos in the above... getting old :(

... Indiana have a shot at winning the title...

... make a series of it.

Both crucial as it goes, with Indiana adding another sensational win to their collection. This was the "least impressive" (apart from the stage) of the 4 so far during this playoff run, with the stats saying that OKC had reached a mere 97.7% win probability when up by 9pts with less than 3mins to play. Indiana led for 0.3s of the 48-minute game, but it was enough...

10min clip showing the last few minutes below:

View: https://youtu.be/FfvJ5PdKbL8

And now if they can somehow grab game 2 tonight, well... fair play to anyone who had money on them at the start of the season. They still seem like unlikely champions now... but they're playing sensationally well, and that's what really counts. But for now it's just one game, OKC might still roar back and wipe the floor with them.... so tonight is massive.
 

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OKC looking to wrap it up tonight, after taking a couple of hard-fought victories in game 4 and 5. Unfortunately looks like Haliburton is hobbled with a calf strain - with the best will in the world, that's just not an injury that you can "push through". With indeed the famous example of Kevin Durant in the 2019 finals, desperate to get out there, ended up rupturing his Achilles instead :(

Hopefully nothing like that tonight and somehow Tyrese can give em something. They're at home so they won't just let the Thunder take it, but OKC have shown with regularity during this run that they're a cut above when they put it all together. I'll be hoping for an Indiana win so that we get a decider on Sunday.
 

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Gutted, absolutely gutted, robbed of a what could have been finale. Congrats OKC, no problems with them winning it after the season they’ve had.
 

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Yep, such a pity. Especially with them earning massive respect over the course of this run, but then being effectively knocked out for next year already (presuming it'll be confirmed that he tore his Achilles).

Respect to the Thunder, they climbed the mountain, but only just in the end. Will they be a bit more "free" and loose going forward, now that they have one? You'd have thought they have a good run ahead of them now, being so young, but there's plenty of challengers behind them in the West.
 

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European championships heating up, with Spain, France and Serbia all knocked out prior to the quarters 😯

Turkey-Poland and Lithuania-Greece tomorrow, Finland-Georgia and Germany-Slovenia on Wednesday
 

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Probably doesn’t need a separate “Ballers in Trouble” thread. All innocent until proven guilty, goes without saying.

The FBI on Thursday, Oct. 23, announced the arrest of more than 30 people in connection with a pair of alleged gambling rings on charges of conspiring to commit fraud, money laundering, illegal gambling and extortion.

Among those arrested were Basketball Hall of Famer and current Portland Trail Blazers head coach Chauncey Billups, Miami Heat guard and 10-year NBA veteran Terry Rozier and former Cleveland Cavaliers player and coach Damon Jones.

The investigations involved an alleged insider sports-betting conspiracy and an alleged scheme to rig illegal poker games. Several people, including Jones, were named in both.

 

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Spurs vs Knicks in the "Cup Final" tonight, should be a good one :)
 

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At the turn of the year, just short of the overall halfway point, fascinating season shaping up.

The top six in the West look quite well established (defending champs OKC, plus San Antonio, Denver, Houston, LA Lakers and Minnesota) - Lakers possibly the most vulnerable with a top-heavy thin team, but Phoenix are (surprisingly) 7th and it's hard to see them or anyone behind really breaking in. There are some real calamities further down, including both the Clippers and the Pelicans who don't even own their next year's draft picks, so won't benefit from a bad finish.

OKC got off to such a good start (winning 24 of their first 25) that there was growing speculation that they could threaten Golden State's all-time season record of 73-9. Then they dropped 4 of 6, including all 3 games they had with San Antonio (spearheaded by the truly enormous up-and-coming star, 7'5" Frenchman Victor Wembanyama), so their march to the title is looking slightly less inevitable.

Out East, some interesting fortunes... on the one hand, Indiana Pacers, who came so close to winning the title last year before their main man (playmaker Tyrese Haliburton) snapped his Achilles in the decider, have dropped all the way to the bottom as they regroup. On the other hand, Detroit Pistons (whose crowd infamously fought with Indiana players in the big brawl 20yrs ago) set a record with 27 or so defeats in a row just two years ago, but now they sit atop the Conference, albeit with the widely fancied New York Knicks (who beat Detroit in a cracking first round series last season) sitting right behind them.

The rest of the east is, as ever, frankly a sea of mediocrity - Orlando and Cleveland haven't been as strong as expected, and Milwaukee are in turmoil as they try to work out how to improve their squad or whether to move on from their star Giannis Antetokounmpo (they've had a great time together, including a title in 2021, but it feels like the relationship has run its course, with the squad looking far from realistic contention).

Sadly, they all remain determined to run themselves into the ground rather than rejig the schedule and remove games - injuries are too large a part of the whole thing, i checked a site earlier this week and the top 5 headlines were all about various injuries around the league, grim. Denver's big Serbian Nikola Jokic, pretty much the consensus Best Player in the World, twisted his knee funny the other night and immediately went down and left the game... everyone held their breath, but fortunately it's not an ACL, just a bad twist and he's expected back in a month or so.
 

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Would expect us to make a trade for an established PG with someone like Conley or Dillingham moving the other way. Been linked with Coby White and Garland amongst others
 

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Here we go, party time - the first part of the season, where all 30 teams play 82 games each, is finally over, with 10 teams now done for the year. 4 more will be eliminated this week (via a load of midtable one-off matches to decide the 7th and 8th seeds), and then we'll get whittled down from 16 to 8 over the next couple of weeks. Saturday and Sunday have the traditional four games each back-to-back to really get things going (add that to Foolham earlier on Saturday and it's a real bonanza weekend!)

As always with American sports and their love of drama and soap operas, there have been far too many silly stories going on over the last few months to really keep track of. But the main two issues that have hung over this season like a stinky fart are: tanking, and the 65-game eligibility rule for awards.

Tanking (to be clear, if you're not familiar) is the American sports term for intentionally losing in order to maximise your chances of getting a good player in the coming draft. It's been acute in the NBA this year due to various circumstances, the biggest of course being some tantalising prospects on the horizon. But the big problem was how flat-out unwatchable it's made a lot of games recently - the bottom 10 has been clear and set for quite a while and, even though some of them don't even have a draft pick next year (so it's not really clear why they're being so crap), games between the top 20 and the bottom 10 have often just been walkovers and non-events. And games among the bottom 10 themselves have almost descended into farce at times - it almost got to a point where players would start scoring "own goals"! (Not literally, but some of the shenanigans have been ugly). Changes need to be made (and are being discussed) because the incentives to nab a top young player in this way are too strong and leading to a worse overall product. But when you see Detroit and San Antonio now back at the top on the back of great play from recent no.1 picks Cade Cunningham and Victor Wembanyama, you can understand why teams chase it.

The games limit for awards has been a recent hot topic, distracting from the actual games with endless discussion whether this player or that player would qualify... tedious, and surely will be changed too. Cunningham suffered a punctured lung(!) from a bad fall a few weeks ago, and as he hadn't reached 65 games by that point, it means he now won't be in the mix for any awards - clearly a farce when he's been pretty much a consensus top-5 player this year. This limit (playing 65 of the 82 games) was introduced when they were negotiating the new tv deal, as the tv companies had got concerned about how often stars were "resting" but it hasn't worked out at all - the sport has become more and more athletic, dynamic, etc and it's just almost impossible to get through a full season without picking up a knock or something these days. But we've ended up with 3 of the top 10 players in the league falling below this arbitrary line, along with more farcical situations like Wembanyama being wheeled out for the last (pretty meaningless) game to ensure he qualified, the difference between him being quite possibly the unanimous defensive player of the year (and 2nd or 3rd in MVP, "player of the season" voting) or not receiving a single vote. Another rule that is surely going to be changed, as it's just ended up poisoning discussion around the league.

And of course, I've started with those rather than the games myself, so just feeding into the machine. Sorry...

For the actual lay of the land, the West is probably the place to start - defending champs Oklahoma City Thunder finished top overall for the 3rd year in a row, good going, and their defending MVP Shai Gilgeous-Alexandar looks primed to seal back-to-back awards there.

The Canadian guard finished second overall in scoring, behind only LA Lakers' Slovenian guard Luka Doncic, who'll probably end up 4th in the MVP vote. Impossibly tall Frenchman Wembanyama has butted his way into the conversation, leading his San Antonio Spurs to the second seed in the West, while Denver's fantastic Serbian big man Nikola Jokic rounds out the top table (will likely end up 3rd).

Those 4 are the stars for the West's top 4 seeds, although the Lakers (the ManU of basketball, so no tears shed here) look screwed by two late injuries to Doncic and sidekick Austin Reaves, leaving them fighting with one arm behind their backs as the playoffs begin. They still have the legend LeBron James, who's still performing incredibly considering he's 41, but the squad is thin so they've got no chance really - 5th seed Houston Rockets are licking their lips. 6th seed Minnesota Timberwolves have made it to the West finals in the last two years and might have the next American star in guard Anthony Edwards, but they'll start with Denver and it won't get easier from there...

Over East things are a little more murky. The consensus preseason picks would have been New York or Cleveland, but both have looked lacklustre at times on their way to 3rd and 4th placed finishes respectively. Cunningham impressively led Detroit to top spot, and possibly even more impressively Boston grabbed 2nd, led by an excellent season from forward Jaylen Brown.

The West has a pretty clear top 6, while the East's top 4 stood apart and 5th to 10th was a throng of flawed teams with potential. Somehow Toronto ended up top of that pile, while Orlando (sorry @maddogging) endured a very frustrating season to end 7th. They'll take on Philadelphia tomorrow, with the loser playing the winner of Charlotte and Miami for the 8th seed on Friday.

Back to the West, shooting legend Steph Curry is still incredible but lost an expensive colleague to knee ligaments which pretty much wiped out his Golden State Warriors chance of making any noise - they finished 10th and will play the LA Clippers tonight, with the loser getting the rest of the summer off. The winner there will take on the loser of Phoenix and Portland, who will play for the 7th seed tomorrow.
 

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Here we go, party time - the first part of the season, where all 30 teams play 82 games each, is finally over, with 10 teams now done for the year. 4 more will be eliminated this week (via a load of midtable one-off matches to decide the 7th and 8th seeds), and then we'll get whittled down from 16 to 8 over the next couple of weeks. Saturday and Sunday have the traditional four games each back-to-back to really get things going (add that to Foolham earlier on Saturday and it's a real bonanza weekend!)

As always with American sports and their love of drama and soap operas, there have been far too many silly stories going on over the last few months to really keep track of. But the main two issues that have hung over this season like a stinky fart are: tanking, and the 65-game eligibility rule for awards.

Tanking (to be clear, if you're not familiar) is the American sports term for intentionally losing in order to maximise your chances of getting a good player in the coming draft. It's been acute in the NBA this year due to various circumstances, the biggest of course being some tantalising prospects on the horizon. But the big problem was how flat-out unwatchable it's made a lot of games recently - the bottom 10 has been clear and set for quite a while and, even though some of them don't even have a draft pick next year (so it's not really clear why they're being so crap), games between the top 20 and the bottom 10 have often just been walkovers and non-events. And games among the bottom 10 themselves have almost descended into farce at times - it almost got to a point where players would start scoring "own goals"! (Not literally, but some of the shenanigans have been ugly). Changes need to be made (and are being discussed) because the incentives to nab a top young player in this way are too strong and leading to a worse overall product. But when you see Detroit and San Antonio now back at the top on the back of great play from recent no.1 picks Cade Cunningham and Victor Wembanyama, you can understand why teams chase it.

The games limit for awards has been a recent hot topic, distracting from the actual games with endless discussion whether this player or that player would qualify... tedious, and surely will be changed too. Cunningham suffered a punctured lung(!) from a bad fall a few weeks ago, and as he hadn't reached 65 games by that point, it means he now won't be in the mix for any awards - clearly a farce when he's been pretty much a consensus top-5 player this year. This limit (playing 65 of the 82 games) was introduced when they were negotiating the new tv deal, as the tv companies had got concerned about how often stars were "resting" but it hasn't worked out at all - the sport has become more and more athletic, dynamic, etc and it's just almost impossible to get through a full season without picking up a knock or something these days. But we've ended up with 3 of the top 10 players in the league falling below this arbitrary line, along with more farcical situations like Wembanyama being wheeled out for the last (pretty meaningless) game to ensure he qualified, the difference between him being quite possibly the unanimous defensive player of the year (and 2nd or 3rd in MVP, "player of the season" voting) or not receiving a single vote. Another rule that is surely going to be changed, as it's just ended up poisoning discussion around the league.

And of course, I've started with those rather than the games myself, so just feeding into the machine. Sorry...

For the actual lay of the land, the West is probably the place to start - defending champs Oklahoma City Thunder finished top overall for the 3rd year in a row, good going, and their defending MVP Shai Gilgeous-Alexandar looks primed to seal back-to-back awards there.

The Canadian guard finished second overall in scoring, behind only LA Lakers' Slovenian guard Luka Doncic, who'll probably end up 4th in the MVP vote. Impossibly tall Frenchman Wembanyama has butted his way into the conversation, leading his San Antonio Spurs to the second seed in the West, while Denver's fantastic Serbian big man Nikola Jokic rounds out the top table (will likely end up 3rd).

Those 4 are the stars for the West's top 4 seeds, although the Lakers (the ManU of basketball, so no tears shed here) look screwed by two late injuries to Doncic and sidekick Austin Reaves, leaving them fighting with one arm behind their backs as the playoffs begin. They still have the legend LeBron James, who's still performing incredibly considering he's 41, but the squad is thin so they've got no chance really - 5th seed Houston Rockets are licking their lips. 6th seed Minnesota Timberwolves have made it to the West finals in the last two years and might have the next American star in guard Anthony Edwards, but they'll start with Denver and it won't get easier from there...

Over East things are a little more murky. The consensus preseason picks would have been New York or Cleveland, but both have looked lacklustre at times on their way to 3rd and 4th placed finishes respectively. Cunningham impressively led Detroit to top spot, and possibly even more impressively Boston grabbed 2nd, led by an excellent season from forward Jaylen Brown.

The West has a pretty clear top 6, while the East's top 4 stood apart and 5th to 10th was a throng of flawed teams with potential. Somehow Toronto ended up top of that pile, while Orlando (sorry @maddogging) endured a very frustrating season to end 7th. They'll take on Philadelphia tomorrow, with the loser playing the winner of Charlotte and Miami for the 8th seed on Friday.

Back to the West, shooting legend Steph Curry is still incredible but lost an expensive colleague to knee ligaments which pretty much wiped out his Golden State Warriors chance of making any noise - they finished 10th and will play the LA Clippers tonight, with the loser getting the rest of the summer off. The winner there will take on the loser of Phoenix and Portland, who will play for the 7th seed tomorrow.

I’m still not over us losing to the Celtics third team ! 😥
 

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I’m still not over us losing to the Celtics third team ! 😥
I'd actually missed the last night so just been catching up, ay ay ay... been a horrendous season.

Heck of a start to the real action last night - Charlotte just about survived Miami in a thriller, and then Portland were excellent down the stretch to leap Phoenix for 7th.
 

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All very interesting Tree, but who is going to win please?
 

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Hm, wish i knew. Thunder are probably the favourite and sensible bet, but it's been a while since anyone won back-to-back titles.
 

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Down to our final 8, with two top seeds falling in the first round...

Round 2 starts tomorrow:

EAST
(1) Detroit Pistons vs (4) Cleveland Cavaliers
(3) New York Knicks vs (7) Philadelphia 76ers

WEST
(1) Oklahoma City Thunder vs (4) LA Lakers
(2) San Antonio Spurs vs (6) Minnesota Timberwolves
 

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Down to our final 8, with two top seeds falling in the first round...

Round 2 starts tomorrow:

EAST
(1) Detroit Pistons vs (4) Cleveland Cavaliers
(3) New York Knicks vs (7) Philadelphia 76ers

WEST
(1) Oklahoma City Thunder vs (4) LA Lakers
(2) San Antonio Spurs vs (6) Minnesota Timberwolves
Who is going to win?
 

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OKC-San An is probably 99% going to be the western final, don't know if that means there's "value" in putting a little on (more likely, sorry @ChrisSmith1992 ) the Lakers to spring an upset.

Knicks probably the favourite to come out of the East as it stands.
 

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Thoughts @Mr Tree on Pistons, Cavaliers. Too many chinks in the armour for me in the Cavs. Could have had that series won in 5 or 6 but I think Pistons will win that 4-2 sadly
 

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Thoughts @Mr Tree on Pistons, Cavaliers. Too many chinks in the armour for me in the Cavs. Could have had that series won in 5 or 6 but I think Pistons will win that 4-2 sadly
Yep... the Cavs SHOULD be a threat, but they don't look it. Pistons flawed too, of course. Cleveland do have a chance of coming together. Mitchell one of my favourites but doesn't look to be in form :(
 

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Yep... the Cavs SHOULD be a threat, but they don't look it. Pistons flawed too, of course. Cleveland do have a chance of coming together. Mitchell one of my favourites but doesn't look to be in form :(
Spida has done his usual 30 point dump in the first playoff game and then been quiet. Hoping he's saved some in the locker
 

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Down to the final 4, after New York and OKC emphatically dispatched Philly and the Lakers respectively, followed by San Antonio eventually putting away a feisty Minnesota and then Cleveland pulling out a game 7 away win at Detroit.

So the East finals will be a clash between the expected top two, although they ended up 3rd and 4th but won through... Cleveland have been far from convincing so far while New York have been very impressive at times.

But anticipation is wild for the clash of the West's top two, and they came out swinging with a double-overtime thriller in game 1 last night!
 

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Off to bed in a mo, 2am alarm set for the massive Game 7 decider between the defending champ Oklahoma City Thunder and young upstarts San Antonio Spurs. It's not quite been the classic series people were hoping for, with most games ending in comfortable undramatic victories, but now we have the all-or-nothing decider for a place in the Finals series against the New York Knicks.

The stars have battled - back-to-back MVP Shai Gilgeous-Alexander has struggled with the spurs' fantastic defending, while Victor Wembanyama, who finished 3rd in the MVP vote, has shown flashes of incredible brilliance in his first playoff run at 22 years old.

The Thunder have homecourt advantage tonight, but they're missing two vital players, one in Jalen Williams who very well may be the "Pippen to SGA's Jordan", and the other being Ajay Mitchell, the backup playmaker whose absence limits the rest that SGA can get in what will be an exhausting match.

Enjoy! And otherwise, the finals start Wednesday night / Thursday morning (y)
 

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Incredible game last night, Matt did well to get a ticket! New York did what the spurs should've done at the end of game 2, they went quick and gave themselves a second chance. Hard to see them losing from here, when two "coin flips" have landed their way. Wemby's time will come. What a run it's been though.
 

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Congrats to the Knicks. Brunson just unbelievable, while everyone else wilted he just got better and better.
 

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Congrats to the Knicks. Brunson just unbelievable, while everyone else wilted he just got better and better.

What a moment for New York. 8th different winner in a row, if only the EPL was like that.
Spurs lack of experience played out in the end as nearly every game followed the same pattern.
Wemby isn’t easy to like either so hopefully he takes notes on how Brunson handled himself throughout.

Great scenes seeing what it meant to Spike and Ewing 🧡💙
 

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And as in good old tradition, New Yorkers celebrate by burning down their own city.
 

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Been meaning to share this, cos it's all quite staggering really...

New York's Jalen Brunson stunned the basketball world by agreeing a 4yr $156m contract extension... the stunning part being, if he'd waited till next summer, he'd have almost certainly had a 5yr $269m deal on the table, so the headline has been how he's "left" $113m on the table. It doesn't quite work like that, but those are the headline numbers...


View: https://x.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1811873608542962122?t=j2nq2M__jfBOb9WknzgaVA&s=19


They've introduced some stronger financial rules that have good intentions but it remains to be seen how they play out... but the fundamental intention is to stop teams riding roughshod over the current restrictions (and have something like a level playing field), so that's laudable. That's what Bobby (above) is referring to with "second apron" - if you spend past a certain point, you're very restricted in what else you can do.

So Brunson, who firmly put himself into the top 10 players in the league echelon over the past couple of years, has agreed to take less money personally to give the team overall more wiggle room. Fair play to him - he was on a $100m contract anyway, so his career earnings are hitting around $300m so I'm sure he'll be alright. And as referenced above, agreeing a shorter contract earlier will give him the chance to get one more big contract when he's 31/32, i believe, rather than 33/34...

Worked out alright!
 

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Congrats to the Knicks. Brunson just unbelievable, while everyone else wilted he just got better and better.
Sums up the playoffs. Lots of teams had chances..Pistons wilted v Cavaliers and then the Knicks destroyed the Cavs.
Spurs probably put it all out there for the Thunder but the Knicks were so strong. A great roster led by Brunson and ably supported by KAT, Josh Hart and others. Great for OG Anunoby winning again for us Brits
 
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