Bees QPR Refugee Support

[thanetbee]

In these divisive times good to see two old enemies work together on this

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/football-welcomes-brentford-and-qpr-among-clubs-to-celebrate-refugee-footballers-in-amnesty-a3519621.html

What a pic of the ground as well!

The official site mentions one of the early refugees as being from the spanish civil war, Jose Gallego. Didnt know we had previous spanish history.

 

[JCMcBee]

.......will try very hard to remember how united both clubs are come kick off on saturday

 

[thanetbee]

Not suggesting we go that far! Cant stand the rangers buggers myself, still guernica and modern examples make you reflect, as did the the remembrance display at loftus road in october that there is life outside the derby!

 

[wanderer paul]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_Gallego_(footballer,_born_1923)

 

[scaramanga]

My opinion this is an absolute political correctness disgrace. There is no comparison to 1st World war refugees to the modern day Islamic invasion.

 

[hypa123]

There's this Guardian piece too. Good to see that one of the Spanish Civil War child evacuees went on to play for Brentford. Good on Brentford for highlighting, tomorrow, the plight of refugee footballers.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...efugees-amnesty-football-league-better-future

Note to Scaramanga: what on earth is "politically correct" about taking in refugees? Britain is a signatory to the 1951 Geneva Convention on Refugees which imposes certain obligations. And what "modern day Islamic invasion"? Are you out of your mind? May you never become a refugee yourself.

 

[jlove]

My opinion this is an absolute political correctness disgrace. There is no comparison to 1st World war refugees to the modern day Islamic invasion.

What's your opinion on Coptic, Johannite and Yazidi refugees? Are they OK if they arrived a century ago and not today, either?

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

There's this Guardian piece too. Good to see that one of the Spanish Civil War child evacuees went on to play for Brentford. Good on Brentford for highlighting, tomorrow, the plight of refugee footballers.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...efugees-amnesty-football-league-better-future

Note to Scaramanga: what on earth is "politically correct" about taking in refugees? Britain is a signatory to the 1951 Geneva Convention on Refugees which imposes certain obligations. And what "modern day Islamic invasion"? Are you out of your mind? May you never become a refugee yourself.

hes a yateley refugee.....they took him in, in his hour of need.........aldershot had already told him to feck orf

 

[JCMcBee]

......there will be a few refugees at GP today.....if any white city act up in the new rdlol

 

[psg150]

My opinion this is an absolute political correctness disgrace. There is no comparison to 1st World war refugees to the modern day Islamic invasion.

The term 'political correctness' is usually used instead of an argument rather than as part of one. Case in point.

 

[hughbee]

My opinion this is an absolute political correctness disgrace. There is no comparison to 1st World war refugees to the modern day Islamic invasion.

Lots of good replies to this already. This is far enough from the truth to be exactly opposite. Why not look beyond your tabloid views occasionally. There's a whole world out there which isn't bitter, distorted, inhumane and ill informed.

This is yet another reason to be proud of our club. Our community work has always been excellent and given that we benefit from having a hugely diverse population around us has always been inconclusive and not phobic.

 

[hypa123]

Lots of good replies to this already. This is far enough from the truth to be exactly opposite. Why not look beyond your tabloid views occasionally. There's a whole world out there which isn't bitter, distorted, inhumane and ill informed.

This is yet another reason to be proud of our club. Our community work has always been excellent and given that we benefit from having a hugely diverse population around us has always been inclusive (correcting) and not phobic.

 

[Doovster]

I hate stereotyping, particularly a whole race or religion. It's b0ll0x of the highest order.

Good and bad in all. I had Irish friends when growing up in the 80's, it didn't mean they were all looking to blow me and my family up.

There is clearly an extremist Islamic problem but that does not make all Muslims terrorists. I'm English but that doesn't make me a member of the EDL who I despise too.

 

[sonofabee]

I hate stereotyping, particularly a whole race or religion. It's b0ll0x of the highest order.

Good and bad in all. I had Irish friends when growing up in the 80's, it didn't mean they were all looking to blow me and my family up.

There is clearly an extremist Islamic problem but that does not make all Muslims terrorists. I'm English but that doesn't make me a member of the EDL who I despise too.

Thank God our kids generation seem to be a lot less judgmental and race and skin colour doesn't influence whether they like each other or not.

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

My opinion this is an absolute political correctness disgrace. There is no comparison to 1st World war refugees to the modern day Islamic invasion.

Is it rude to suggest this sounds like the sort of thing those racist cockwombles like Britain First or the EDL would say?

 

[hughbee]

Thank God our kids generation seem to be a lot less judgmental and race and skin colour doesn't influence whether they like each other or not.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.to...haircut-look-his-friend-trick-teacher-t108795

 

[sonofabee]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.to...haircut-look-his-friend-trick-teacher-t108795

 

[scaramanga]

I hate stereotyping, particularly a whole race or religion. It's b0ll0x of the highest order.

Good and bad in all. I had Irish friends when growing up in the 80's, it didn't mean they were all looking to blow me and my family up.

There is clearly an extremist Islamic problem but that does not make all Muslims terrorists. I'm English but that doesn't make me a member of the EDL who I despise too.

You're the only person on this thread who has inferred all muslims might be terrorist.

 

[scaramanga]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.to...haircut-look-his-friend-trick-teacher-t108795

That's a very nice uplifting story Hugh.

 

[Chorlton Bee]

You're the only person on this thread who has inferred all muslims might be terrorist.

How did he infer it when he wrote the exact opposite?

 

[YorkBee]

does scaramanga's head go purple and he puts a turtle neck sweater on when he gets excited?

 

[hypa123]

X

 

[scaramanga]

does scaramanga's head go purple and he puts a turtle neck sweater on when he gets excited?

No. For the record I am not a racist. The EDL is not a racist organisation. Read up on that if you can be bothered. Please do though watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_sSdqjnev0

 

[thanetbee]

No. For the record I am not a racist. The EDL is not a racist organisation. Read up on that if you can be bothered. Please do though watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_sSdqjnev0

Did you really type that the fascist organisation EDL is not racist? Have you seen one of their marches?

 

[Ted]

What a load of lilly-livered claptrap.

Whatever next... one of those "Refugees Welcome" banners?

Keep politics out of football.

 

[jlove]

What a load of lilly-livered claptrap.

Whatever next... one of those "Refugees Welcome" banners?

Keep politics out of football.

Since when are refugees political? They may be politicised but I suggest you read the 1951 Refugee Convention to further your education.

 

[Basil Brush]

What a load of lilly-livered claptrap.

Whatever next... one of those "Refugees Welcome" banners?

Keep politics out of football.

Spot on.

 

[SmiffyBee]

My opinion this is an absolute political correctness disgrace. There is no comparison to 1st World war refugees to the modern day Islamic invasion.

you have just compared the two though.

Id say both movements of peoples, displaced by war, making conditions in their homelands so bad, they wish to flee and start over in a new country. So there is a comparison.
Not sure why religion has to be brought into it.

 

[hughbee]

No. For the record I am not a racist. The EDL is not a racist organisation. Read up on that if you can be bothered. Please do though watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_sSdqjnev0

The EDL not racist!!!rofl Now I understand where your getting your use of language like "Islamic invasion" from. Now I understand why you are opposed to Bfc aiding refugees.

Don't be fooled by what the EDL says, it is trying to hide it's true colours, not very well............

They claim to oppose ‘extremism’ but EDL supporters have been filmed chanting ‘Burn a mosque down’.

A series of arson and other physical attacks on mosques, community centres an the sites of proposed new mosques have taken place in areas where the EDL is active.

THE EDL IS RIDDLED WITH FASCISTS. EDL leader ‘Tommy Robinson’ – real name Stephen Yaxley Lennon – is a former member of the fascist British National Party. Founder EDL member Chris Renton was also in the BNP, as were other leading figures including North East organiser Alan Spence.

Many more former members of the BNP, the Nazi National Front and other fascist organisations are also active in the EDL and its splinter groups.

EDL supporters have frequently been photographed giving Hitler’s ‘sieg heil’ salute.............

That's the real EDL for you.

 

[hughbee]

What a load of lilly-livered claptrap.

Whatever next... one of those "Refugees Welcome" banners?

Keep politics out of football.

Helping refugees is "Lilly livered"? The really scared, phobic people are the people who judge others to be a threat because of their ethnicity or religion.

Brentford are doing the right thing and supporting refugees is popular. See link below.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press.../new-poll-shows-overwhelming-support-uk-refug..

 

[Doovster]

What's the problem with all that? They seem like a bunch of fine upstanding Gentlemen to me......

 

[jlove]

These people lead sad, lonely and bitter lives... and then there's the refugees...

 

[bostonhanwell]

These people lead sad, lonely and bitter lives... and then there's the refugees...

This is the sort of comment which makes it impossible to have a proper and necessary debate about immigration and refugees.

 

[psg150]

This is the sort of comment which makes it impossible to have a proper and necessary debate about immigration and refugees.

As does the prejudice, ignorance and bigotry that many people display on the matter.

 

[detours]

This is the sort of comment which makes it impossible to have a proper and necessary debate about immigration and refugees.

Is the country not having a proper debate about immigration?

Apparently the Brexit vote was only about controlling our borders, the newspapers go on about immigration constantly, we've got a government committed to ending freedom of movement and bringing immigration down to the tens of thousands.

It seems like we talk nothing but immigration. Unless your idea of 'a full and proper debate' about immigration is one where everyone agrees that immigration is a problem - whereas the truth is, lots of people see the positives.

Regardless, this is a nice gesture between the two clubs, and i don't see why everyone needs to be precious and starts blaming political correctness etc. Can't people just do things, without others looking for a sinister underlying motive? (ironically this is usually the charge aimed at political correctness)!

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

Did you really type that the fascist organisation EDL is not racist? Have you seen one of their marches?

it wasnt when it was started in luton around 10 years ago and encompassed any colour, creed, sexuality and relegion.......it virtually is now though unfortunately........the original idea was to counter the fascist islamists in luton who openly spouted their hatred for this country.......unfortunately it was taken over by racists and nutcases

 

[hughbee]

it wasnt when it was started in luton around 10 years ago and encompassed any colour, creed, sexuality and relegion.......it virtually is now though unfortunately........the original idea was to counter the fascist islamists in luton who openly spouted their hatred for this country.......unfortunately it was taken over by racists and nutcases

Wasn't Tommy Robinson (fascist) there from the start along with a lot of other fascists.

 

[Brentford Bob]

Wasn't Tommy Robinson (fascist) there from the start along with a lot of other fascists.

Yes he was.

But he's apparently a changed man these days. I'm not a fan of his by a long shot but he walked away from the EDL because of the amount of idiots and nutters it was attracting. Britain First have tried to get him onside but the recent video of Robinson engaging with muslims in Luton and attempting a conversation with them, before being bundled away by Jayda Fransen (even Wibs wouldn't) and her cronies was quite telling.

I think all extremists are ***** - right or left. As someone who has always voted "left of centre", the likes of Class War make me very uncomfortable. Antifa? Great idea in theory - all sensible people are anti facism but the way they go about things is very wrong and are as guilty of violent extremism as much as those dim ****ers in Britain First and the EDL.

 

[Doovster]

I think all extremists are ***** - right and left.

Nail squarely on the head Bob!

Right wing neo-nazi fascists spouting their anti Islamic sh1t and who would think nothing of using violence are just as bad as a wannabee jihadi.

Both ends are extreme and willing to use violence for their cause. It strikes me that on both sides of the fence you typically have young, angry, bitter men who have nothing much in their lives and get hooked into this sh1t as it gives them a sense of belonging and self worth. Really sad situation all round.

Meanwhile 99% of us just want to live peaceful lives and do the best we can for our families and have to live in the middle of this sh1t.

 

[jlove]

Nail squarely on the head Bob!

Right wing neo-nazi fascists spouting their anti Islamic sh1t and who would think nothing of using violence are just as bad as a wannabee jihadi.

Both ends are extreme and willing to use violence for their cause. It strikes me that on both sides of the fence you typically have young, angry, bitter men who have nothing much in their lives and get hooked into this sh1t as it gives them a sense of belonging and self worth. Really sad situation all round.

Meanwhile 99% of us just want to live peaceful lives and do the best we can for our families and have to live in the middle of this sh1t.

... and herein lies the solution. Engage the disaffected, give them a positive meaning to their lives and you go some way to reducing them, particularly early intervention, before descending into the justice system and finding common cause in hating something.

Anyway, it's absolutely nothing to do with refugees, is it? Linking the two together is just another small-minded nastiness, man's inhumanity to man.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

As this event has been and gone, this is no longer a "General Bees Discussion". If anyone is unfortunate enough to want to start a refugee thread in Chit Chat that I can ignore, please feel free.