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Bees United Leaflet

Thought the BU leaflet handed out today was possibly their best effort to date..informative and I suppose 'told it as it is...'

Lets hope this lifeline from our loanee gives them another chance to get things right..
 

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I agree. Can fans please read it and pass the message on that we all have to save this club together.

Not just a few hundred paying S/Os.:(
 

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Read it this evening in the pub.

Agree, best thing I have seen come out of BU for ages.

(although it was a bit like an election leaflet as in you hope what comes afterwards walks the talk rather than talks the talk).

Was it the official line though or are we still going to hear BU people on here "banging on " -apologies to Edmundo) about for example having a minority on the Board when the leaflet gave a clear and erudite explanation why it is as it is?

We are now in League 2 (don't let anyone persuade you otherwise).

Let BU concentrate on giving the NEW manager the ammunition in terms of playing budget to get us out again (in the right direction) without worrying about:

*How much the debt is that bears no interest and has no imminent repayment.
*Whether Eddie Rogers is still on the Board.
*Whether BU has a physical majority on the Board
*Whether Brian Burgess and/or anyone else has any minor conflicts of interest in being on both Boards.
*Anything at all to do with Primetimers or CAN.

And worry instead about the really important stuff like:

*Giving the NEW Manager a budget that compares to the teams that want to get out of the league at the top end rather than the bottom end.
*Raising investment (by equity if need be) to provide that budget.
*Getting the shares back off Lange that he promised or if not telling the membership the full story why he wont play ball.
*Keeping the club in the league until Lionel Rd happens
*Keeping the Lionel Rd dream alive and just as importantly not keeping the fans in the dark about it.
* Making sure next time we appoint a Manager we stick to the criteria to get someone who can get us moving in the right direction.
 

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JTofBFC said:
............errr Yes. Why?
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We've just done the same thing for 9 years and ended up in the same place but with loads of heartache and half the equity gone. That's all.
 

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Jimbee said:
We've just done the same thing for 9 years and ended up in the same place but with loads of heartache and half the equity gone. That's all.
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Half the equity gone? The equity is the club ownership not the debt. Maybe we're getting confused with terminology. I'm talking about invstment in the club without adding to the debt.

Jam today, curtains tomorrow.
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No playing budget next year, conference the year after.

See, you are already contradicting what the leaflet said.

We cant sustain the current income and expenditure dynamics without slashing the playing budget. If we do that we lose crowds, go into the conference etc. The leaflet indicated that a balance would be sought. The reality is that the only way to sustain a budget for a winning team is to get more investment into the club. Maybe the leaflet is just talk. We'll see.
 

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JTofBFC said:
Half the equity gone? The equity is the club ownership not the debt. Maybe we're getting confused with terminology. I'm talking about invstment in the club without adding to the debt.



No playing budget next year, conference the year after.

See, you are already contradicting what the leaflet said.

We cant sustain the current income and expenditure dynamics without slashing the playing budget. If we do that we lose crowds, go into the conference etc. The leaflet indicated that a balance would be sought. The reality is that the only way to sustain a budget for a winning team is to get more investment into the club. Maybe the leaflet is just talk. We'll see.
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A balance will be sought. The leaflet clearly puts across that without supporters monies, we are not going to be able to compete.

You seen to think the Conference is nailed on for us. Just look at the teams that have gone down, most of them are knocking around the play off places.
 

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JTofBFC said:
Half the equity gone? The equity is the club ownership not the debt. Maybe we're getting confused with terminology. I'm talking about invstment in the club without adding to the debt.



No playing budget next year, conference the year after.

See, you are already contradicting what the leaflet said.

We cant sustain the current income and expenditure dynamics without slashing the playing budget. If we do that we lose crowds, go into the conference etc. The leaflet indicated that a balance would be sought. The reality is that the only way to sustain a budget for a winning team is to get more investment into the club. Maybe the leaflet is just talk. We'll see.
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A balance will be sought. The leaflet clearly puts across that without supporters monies, we are not going to be able to compete.

You seen to think the Conference is nailed on for us. Just look at the teams that have gone down, most of them are knocking around the play off places.
 

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markbfc said:
You seen to think the Conference is nailed on for us. Just look at the teams that have gone down, most of them are knocking around the play off places.
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I expect they made a concerted effort to come back and threw the kitchen sink at it. Will we, I doubt it !

BU have presided over a relegation in their first full season in charge, so why should the fans have confidence that everything will be different next year.

Reality is that the leaflet advised that we had made savings of £660k on operating matters this year. That is in addition to a cup run and some transfer fees and yet we still lost half a million quid.

How much is the playing budget going to have to be cut by to get anywhere near breakeven. Probably to nearly a meaningless amount in terms of attracting any quality players and we have seen this year how difficult it is with a much higher budget.

I expect you will have to budget for average gates of 4,500 next year. More than that would be madness. Face facts, if you expect us to be challengers next year it is hope rather than expectation.

If we are to get through to Lionel rd in 5 years time (if then)AND compete on the field at the same time it needs investment of at least half a million a year. You can either do that by admitting defeat as Bournemouth have done or by allowing investors in the form of either large scale wealthy fans to buy a bit of the club or a small scale share issue.

Thanks to Matthew Benham the amounts that need to be raised are nowhere near as large as before and between a few of the big hitters and a high profile supporters issue , it ought to be possible.

If BU's policy is to "muddle through" next season on a low playing budget then they are playing with fire.

I hope some of the "balance" that the leaflet demonstrated is actual policy and not just marketing.
 

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I should have told you this when I met you before the game. Calm down! You're going to end up having a heart attack at this rate.

You have too many pre-conceived ideas of what the BU board is thinking or doing. The crowds will be budgeted for around that figure you mention I suspect.

Hopefully, we are going to have a budget put forward to us for next season that is a sensible one. This season's was not.
 

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markbfc said:
Hopefully, we are going to have a budget put forward to us for next season that is a sensibile one. This season's was not.
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I think the difference between us is that you probably regard a sensible playing budget as one that is "Total budgeted Income - Non playing expenses", whilst I regard it as one that is whatever is necessary to keep us competitive. Obviously the difference will be substantial and will have to be met from somewhere. That is where the requirement for investment arises.
 

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JTofBFC said:
whatever is necessary to keep us competitive.
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Exactly what Noades did from 1998-2003. :)

The BFC board and BU board are looking at all options for funding over the next couple of years.

If you know of anyone or anything that would like to plough in 1.5 million over the next three years without any strings attached then please let me know, I'm all ears.
 

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markbfc said:
If you know of anyone or anything that would like to plough in 1.5 million over the next three years without any strings attached then please let me know, I'm all ears.
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Try asking the fans. The rich ones first and the rest of us separately as in 1967. Not sure about no strings, I expect they will want shares although for some reason that seems to cause BU a problem.
 

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I think you'll find plenty of millionaires needing to off-load money at this address

Bored Millionaires plc
Nowhere Street
Stupid Ideasville
Cloud Cookooland

Until the replies come flooding in, BU will have to suffice.
 

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markbfc said:
Brian Burgess interview from Saturday uploaded:

http://www.beesunited.org.uk/content/view/240/
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Excellent.

So we now know that :-

1) The "model" is working after all (except the bit where no one has to put any monies into the club.....that bit of Dyke's version of the "model" should now read...... "except Matthew Benham")

2) Keith Dickens is nailed on to be appointed permanently

Waiter...... bring me another bottle of Crystal........it's time to get drunk.......:(
 

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larrysigny said:
Oh dear, abee - you should read the labels BEFORE squaffing the stuff.

It's Cristal - with an 'i'.
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I'm leaving this thread now as I refuse to post on any thread in which larrysigny takes an interest.

That was my New Years promise to myself for the sake of my sanity.
 
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