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CM not guaranteed a place but worth a starting place for his pre season form, yes would have offered Grabban a years contract, yes would have utilised Grella more, Alexander probably no, the Saido affair-who knows what the full facts are. What is a cast iron fact is that we have lost three on the spin and haven't scored a goal and hardly had a worthwhile effort tonight. If there is one area you would have expected Rosler to have improved it would be the strikers.

Whilst I admire your staunch defence of all things Uwe it really is pushing the bounds of credibility to suggest that the net outcomes of Uwe's dealings in the forward area have been anything but an unmittigated disaster.

One thing on which I am unclear are the respective responsibilities of Warburton and Uwe when it comes to sourcing players. I'm sure Uwe has the last word and I'm not altering my view on the financial constraints. Just curious because those who are highly critical of Uwe in this respect might need to dilute their opinion.
 

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One thing on which I am unclear are the respective responsibilities of Warburton and Uwe when it comes to sourcing players. I'm sure Uwe has the last word and I'm not altering my view on the financial constraints. Just curious because those who are highly critical of Uwe in this respect might need to dilute their opinion.

IMO, Uwe did not know enough players when he joined so it was Warburton's responsibility to bring them in. He was certainly responsible for McGinn, Bennett, Thompson. Douglas I think I recall hearing was wanted by Rosler even though he hadn't been appointed when he was approached. Ditto Donaldson although I would be interested to know just how much he knew of him or whether he got him on reputation alone. Logan is obviously Rosler's. I suspect that the later signings are more Rosler's or at least he has better knowledge even if Warbuton recommends them.

The biggest criticism of the club I believe (not just Rosler) is that our scouting network doesn't seem up to scratch which is why we have consistently failed to attract the players. This is ironic given that our backroom staff must be the most expensive and extensive in our history but it's no good if it only identifying kids for the Development squad. I also have a concern that the management team don't see enough games down South and I think that is far from ideal. Both Allen and Scott prided themselves on their extensive knowledge of players (particularly Southern based) and I wonder if Rosler has the same. I would like to know how many southern reserve games or non-league games Rosler or Farrell get to or sends a trusted scout to for example.

I believe that Uwe has the right ideas but the club is not identifying the players to match the ambition and my worry is that this will continue in the summer. I really do think we need to have our management team based in the South and Rosler should be encouraged to relocate if he can't commit enough time because of where he is based.

Whether these issues will be sorted in time for the summer remains to be seen - if our target area is the North West then we're going to continue to struggle to attract decent permanent players. If you're 28 on a good wage playing up there, it's got to be a bloody good offer to want you to come to Brentford.

HorshamBee might pass comment on this post. ;) :fishing:
 

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IMO, Uwe did not know enough players when he joined so it was Warburton's responsibility to bring them in. He was certainly responsible for McGinn, Bennett, Thompson. Douglas I think I recall hearing was wanted by Rosler even though he hadn't been appointed when he was approached. Ditto Donaldson although I would be interested to know just how much he knew of him or whether he got him on reputation alone. I suspect that the later signings are more Rosler's or at least he has better knowledge even if Warbuton recommends them. The biggest criticism of the club I believe (not just Rosler) is that our scouting network doesn't seem up to scratch which is why we have consistently failed to attract the players. I also have a concern that the management team don't see enough games down South and I think that is far from ideal. Both Allen and Scott prided themselves on their extensive knowledge of players (particularly Southern based) and I wonder if Rosler has the same. I would like to know how many southern reserve games or non-league games Rosler or Farrell gets to or sends a trusted scout to for example.

I believe that Uwe has the right ideas but the club is not identifying the players to match the ambition and my worry is that this will continue in the summer. I really do think we need to have our management team based in the South. Whether these issues will be sorted in time for the summer remains to be seen - if our target area is the North West then we going to continue to struggle to attract decent permanent players. If you're 28 on a good wage playing up there, it's got to be a bloody good offer to want you to come to Brentford.

HorshamBee might pass comment on this post. ;) :fishing:

That's useful. If we are fishing too far North [ and some of the touted striker names seem to suggest that's true], then we are making difficulties for ourselves. I assume this is a club decision and if true, it needs to be put right asap.
 

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I'm also intrigued about why we don't get players from Man City and Bolton given our management team's links. Surely they have players we'd find attractive so perhaps they don't want to send them so far away from their home club when there are so many clubs local to them.
 

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I am also amazed that we have not been able to use the links with the nextgen thingy. I may be wrong but we were told that with the contacts that would bring would see some real talent down at BFC. Hasn't happened yet IMHO.
 

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I'm also intrigued about why we don't get players from Man City and Bolton given our management team's links. Surely they have players we'd find attractive so perhaps they don't want to send them so far away from their home club when there are so many clubs local to them.
The link with Man City was overplayed. It probably helped get him the job, who doesn't try to sell themselves at an interview?
The connections with Man City are from a different time, the world has moved on since then and although Uwe is obviously remembered with affection by their fans the management there now doesn't owe him any favours.
If you look at the quality of the loans that Scott managed to get in with those of Uwe there's no comparison.
 

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I'm also intrigued about why we don't get players from Man City and Bolton given our management team's links. Surely they have players we'd find attractive so perhaps they don't want to send them so far away from their home club when there are so many clubs local to them.

That is almost certainly the case and why we should be looking at the London clubs more for loanees. We have tended to use Reading & Watford but probably our best 2 have come from Arsenal in Sidwell & Chesney.
 

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we should be trawling non league and signing players up and selling them on for profits to plough back into the club.No long term gains getting in loan players and there exactly doing us any good this season
 

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One thing on which I am unclear are the respective responsibilities of Warburton and Uwe when it comes to sourcing players. I'm sure Uwe has the last word and I'm not altering my view on the financial constraints. Just curious because those who are highly critical of Uwe in this respect might need to dilute their opinion.

I have diluted my opinions.
 

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I'm also intrigued about why we don't get players from Man City and Bolton given our management team's links. Surely they have players we'd find attractive so perhaps they don't want to send them so far away from their home club when there are so many clubs local to them.

How involved was Uwe in Man City before he came to us? Was he looking after the youths? But regarding the quote above from Les - i was certainly thinking the same.
 

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we should be trawling non league and signing players up and selling them on for profits to plough back into the club.No long term gains getting in loan players and there exactly doing us any good this season

non league signing aint cheap anymore, (J. Vardy) Fleetwood turned down £750K from Blackpool..
 

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he's an exception to the general rule, goalscorers at the top of the conference are expensive.From the outside our scouting looks s#@t
 

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Development game against West Ham, Robert Hall plays for West Ham, had a succesful spell at Oxford earlier then joins MK Dons on loan. Would have thought he would have been a good short term loan for us? Wonder if we asked? Earlier in the season we were banging on about the technology used by the Dev Squad coaches during the games, maybe they should use on the opposition as well. Maybe someone from our 1st team set up should be watching the D S games but paying more attention to the other side to see if they can spot someone better than we already have?
 

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we should be trawling non league and signing players up and selling them on for profits to plough back into the club.No long term gains getting in loan players and there exactly doing us any good this season

There's no reason we couldn't do both: pursuing non-league talent and getting loans in from the bigger clubs.
Reading have a highly evolved development system, it was one of the reasons they gave Brian McDermott the manager's job. We should definitely look to further contacts with them. Obviously Arsenal and Spurs should also be a local source. QPR currently have too many pros on their books, but there won't be many who would drop down into Div One. Southampton could also be a good source, especially if they make it into the Premiership.

What if our next manager is a good mate of Liam Brady or Pat Rice? I suppose that would be George Graham.
 

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IMO, Uwe did not know enough players when he joined so it was Warburton's responsibility to bring them in. He was certainly responsible for McGinn, Bennett, Thompson. Douglas I think I recall hearing was wanted by Rosler even though he hadn't been appointed when he was approached. Ditto Donaldson although I would be interested to know just how much he knew of him or whether he got him on reputation alone. Logan is obviously Roslers. I suspect that the later signings are more Rosler's or at least he has better knowledge even if Warbuton recommends them.

The biggest criticism of the club I believe (not just Rosler) is that our scouting network doesn't seem up to scratch which is why we have consistently failed to attract the players. This is ironic given that our backroom staff must be the most expensive and extensive in our history but it's no good if it only identifying kids for the Development squad. I also have a concern that the management team don't see enough games down South and I think that is far from ideal. Both Allen and Scott prided themselves on their extensive knowledge of players (particularly Southern based) and I wonder if Rosler has the same. I would like to know how many southern reserve games or non-league games Rosler or Farrell gets to or sends a trusted scout to for example.

I believe that Uwe has the right ideas but the club is not identifying the players to match the ambition and my worry is that this will continue in the summer. I really do think we need to have our management team based in the South and Rosler should be encouraged to relocate if he can't commit enough time because of where he is based.

Whether these issues will be sorted in time for the summer remains to be seen - if our target area is the North West then we going to continue to struggle to attract decent permanent players. If you're 28 on a good wage playing up there, it's got to be a bloody good offer to want you to come to Brentford.

HorshamBee might pass comment on this post. ;) :fishing:

Will have time later.Happy to post.
 

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Over the last 20+yrs many of our better quality players have come from Non-league teams, rather than the junior set-up. Are we suggesting that the club do not consider this an option/worthwhile any longer?
 

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I wonder whether if we put all our energies into tapping into the non league and foreign markets and buy up cheap young talents and sell them on for big profits that this may be a better business model than the youth scheme?
 

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I wonder whether if we put all our energies into tapping into the non league and foreign markets and buy up cheap young talents and sell them on for big profits that this may be a better business model than the youth scheme?

I think you are talking a lot of sense. Kids who look great at aged 10 to 16 may not develop any further. I have spent many years in coaching youth football and seen this many times,whereas I also watch a lot of lower league games and I have seen young adult players aged 18 -22 who I am sure could have a future in the professional game.At that age they too are almost the finished article. DJ Campbell is a prime example, a van driver at Heathrow at 22.
Of course the big clubs can easily afford all age academies but I agree with your sentiments that it may be more beneficial for a club such as ours to look at lower league developed talent.
 

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Over the last 20+yrs many of our better quality players have come from Non-league teams, rather than the junior set-up. Are we suggesting that the club do not consider this an option/worthwhile any longer?

If you take the side that actually got into the Championship nearly 20 seasons back, Terry Evans came from Hillingdon, but most of the other key players were from league sides. Deano, Bliss, Smillie, Ratcliffe. And then Marcus was home-grown.
Of course football has changed since then, but I would still advocate a blend.
 

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I wonder whether if we put all our energies into tapping into the non league and foreign markets and buy up cheap young talents and sell them on for big profits that this may be a better business model than the youth scheme?
I think the problem is that we're priced out of non-league in today's market and we don't have the network that PL clubs have overseas. The "development squad" model, where we pick up the the 'rejects' from PL academies and our own academy seems to be the least cost route.
 

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There is definatly a few gems in non league we should take a chance on, i like to watch a lot of non league games, i really like a young striker called sam higgins who plays for east thurrock in the ryman premier, he has scored 28 goals in 35 games this season and in the last couple of years has scored aroung 94 goals in 115 games which is brilliant and with full time training could definatly make the step up and he is only 21. another is tony stokes at concord rangers who is older but also a very useful striker.
 

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There is definatly a few gems in non league we should take a chance on, i like to watch a lot of non league games, i really like a young striker called sam higgins who plays for east thurrock in the ryman premier, he has scored 28 goals in 35 games this season and in the last couple of years has scored aroung 94 goals in 115 games which is brilliant and with full time training could definatly make the step up and he is only 21. another is tony stokes at concord rangers who is older but also a very useful striker.

We've had a few decent/good non leaguers over the years that did well - Bob Booker, DJ Campbell,Terry Evans, Leon Legge, to name but 4.
 

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There is definatly a few gems in non league we should take a chance on, i like to watch a lot of non league games, i really like a young striker called sam higgins who plays for east thurrock in the ryman premier, he has scored 28 goals in 35 games this season and in the last couple of years has scored aroung 94 goals in 115 games which is brilliant and with full time training could definatly make the step up and he is only 21. another is tony stokes at concord rangers who is older but also a very useful striker.

Saw Hampton play East Thurrock in the FA Trophy, and they had quite a few useful players. The best non-league player I have seen in a while was a midfielder called Jai Reason, playing for Braintree against Hampton last season, think he is part of the England C set-up. Talking of Hampton, what happened to the days when we were the natural progression for their better players? In recent years, they have gone to the likes of Bournemouth (Bartley), Peterborough (Wright) and Pompey (Thompson) instead. I know we can't compete with what some of these clubs may have offered, but we certainly should have players from clubs like that on our radar before most others come sniffing.
 

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Saw Hampton play East Thurrock in the FA Trophy, and they had quite a few useful players. The best non-league player I have seen in a while was a midfielder called Jai Reason, playing for Braintree against Hampton last season, think he is part of the England C set-up. Talking of Hampton, what happened to the days when we were the natural progression for their better players? In recent years, they have gone to the likes of Bournemouth (Bartley), Peterborough (Wright) and Pompey (Thompson) instead. I know we can't compete with what some of these clubs may have offered, but we certainly should have players from clubs like that on our radar before most others come sniffing.

IIRC Reason was signed from Crawley having only been there very briefly.
 

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This is always a difficult problem, a lot of talk re non league gems & and 4/5 posted but what about all the non league turkeys we have had - Hudson to start Ricky Reana(s) the blondie that was signed and many others.
However I have been impressed with the development of the youth system which hopefully will pay back in the long term
For example a very distant 10 year old relative of mine lives in the City of London signed by us travels to Uxbridge for training (so distant never met him let alone see him play)
QPR mate p*ssed off as his (his words) promising 12 year nephew signed to us, also tells me that a 15 year old he knows has signed for us and has regular traing etc in Regents Park
Another maate who is a scout for Bexley was really impressed when having an interview at Brentford at the professionalism of the club
So at that age we are really developing and how that will progress up the club up the ranks we hope
 

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Saw Hampton play East Thurrock in the FA Trophy, and they had quite a few useful players. The best non-league player I have seen in a while was a midfielder called Jai Reason, playing for Braintree against Hampton last season, think he is part of the England C set-up. Talking of Hampton, what happened to the days when we were the natural progression for their better players? In recent years, they have gone to the likes of Bournemouth (Bartley), Peterborough (Wright) and Pompey (Thompson) instead. I know we can't compete with what some of these clubs may have offered, but we certainly should have players from clubs like that on our radar before most others come sniffing.

Dean Inman is Hampton's best player by a mile and is only 20.He will get snapped up by someone at professional level in the near future.Outstanding in the air,can tackle and a very good centre half.Was meant to have had a trial at Burnley a few weeks ago until Eddie Hutchinson put him out for a few weeks in the game against Havant & Waterlooville and he should have seen red for that tackle.Has really impressed me in the 6 or so games i have seen him this season.
 

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Dean Inman is Hampton's best player by a mile and is only 20.He will get snapped up by someone at professional level in the near future.Outstanding in the air,can tackle and a very good centre half.Was meant to have had a trial at Burnley a few weeks ago until Eddie Hutchinson put him out for a few weeks in the game against Havant & Waterlooville and he should have seen red for that tackle.Has really impressed me in the 6 or so games i have seen him this season.

Is it still a case of write to the club........well that's what we were told back in the day. Always found it strange how someone like Burnley could be interested / offer a trial - maybe the Bees are all over him as well but we just don't make the headlines / don't get told if we fail etc etc

More likely to be Warburton who would have the lower league local knowledge rather than Uwe.

Eddie Howe has a habit of bringing on good up and coming players.
 

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Dean Inman is Hampton's best player by a mile and is only 20.He will get snapped up by someone at professional level in the near future.Outstanding in the air,can tackle and a very good centre half.Was meant to have had a trial at Burnley a few weeks ago until Eddie Hutchinson put him out for a few weeks in the game against Havant & Waterlooville and he should have seen red for that tackle.Has really impressed me in the 6 or so games i have seen him this season.

A mate of mine is very close with Dean Inman and as you say he will be at a football league side next season its pretty much certain. He's been on trial at Qpr, Portsmouth and couple of others i believe. Brentford were said to have watched him a few times i believe whatever happened there i do not know. However he will be getting an agent in the summer i believe and no doubt he will be pushing him for the best possible move so would be interesting to see where he ends up.
 

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IMO, Uwe did not know enough players when he joined so it was Warburton's responsibility to bring them in. He was certainly responsible for McGinn, Bennett, Thompson. Douglas I think I recall hearing was wanted by Rosler even though he hadn't been appointed when he was approached. Ditto Donaldson although I would be interested to know just how much he knew of him or whether he got him on reputation alone. Logan is obviously Rosler's. I suspect that the later signings are more Rosler's or at least he has better knowledge even if Warbuton recommends them.

The biggest criticism of the club I believe (not just Rosler) is that our scouting network doesn't seem up to scratch which is why we have consistently failed to attract the players. This is ironic given that our backroom staff must be the most expensive and extensive in our history but it's no good if it only identifying kids for the Development squad. I also have a concern that the management team don't see enough games down South and I think that is far from ideal. Both Allen and Scott prided themselves on their extensive knowledge of players (particularly Southern based) and I wonder if Rosler has the same. I would like to know how many southern reserve games or non-league games Rosler or Farrell get to or sends a trusted scout to for example.

I believe that Uwe has the right ideas but the club is not identifying the players to match the ambition and my worry is that this will continue in the summer. I really do think we need to have our management team based in the South and Rosler should be encouraged to relocate if he can't commit enough time because of where he is based.

Whether these issues will be sorted in time for the summer remains to be seen - if our target area is the North West then we're going to continue to struggle to attract decent permanent players. If you're 28 on a good wage playing up there, it's got to be a bloody good offer to want you to come to Brentford.

HorshamBee might pass comment on this post. ;) :fishing:


Really good point! Be interesting to see quite how 'committed' Uwe is come the summer.
I think with all his team now in place we deserve his full attention for the run in and building for next year. I don't want to see him doing corporate sh*te for Man City again, we should be his first love.
 

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Does that also mean players, managers etc should never appear on MOTD and football focus?

Uwe can do extra curricular things if he wants, it promotes our club and if it earns him a few quid then so be it.
 

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Does that also mean players, managers etc should never appear on MOTD and football focus?

Uwe can do extra curricular things if he wants, it promotes our club and if it earns him a few quid then so be it.

I don't see how being a special guest at Man City promotes our club. Most of their fans would already know about him being our manager and it's not like his appearance there got a wide audience. If he wants a career in media or a job at city then so be it. MA did a lot of media work with us but I would say 90% helped publicise the club to a wider audience. I didn't see him going on jollys to west ham. Amd before some people say this is an MA love in or anything I'm just pointing out that Uwe's priorities should lie closer to home at such a crucial time.
 

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I don't see how being a special guest at Man City promotes our club. Most of their fans would already know about him being our manager and it's not like his appearance there got a wide audience. If he wants a career in media or a job at city then so be it. MA did a lot of media work with us but I would say 90% helped publicise the club to a wider audience. I didn't see him going on jollys to west ham. Amd before some people say this is an MA love in or anything I'm just pointing out that Uwe's priorities should lie closer to home at such a crucial time.

Maybe his media exploits looked good on his CV when posted to other clubs whilst the manager of BFC. :shrug:
 

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However he will be getting an agent in the summer i believe and no doubt he will be pushing him for the best possible move so would be interesting to see where he ends up.

Sounds like he won't be at The Bev next season then, as will a lot of their half decent players, when they get relegated, which seems a certainty.
 

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I don't see how being a special guest at Man City promotes our club. Most of their fans would already know about him being our manager and it's not like his appearance there got a wide audience. If he wants a career in media or a job at city then so be it. MA did a lot of media work with us but I would say 90% helped publicise the club to a wider audience. I didn't see him going on jollys to west ham. Amd before some people say this is an MA love in or anything I'm just pointing out that Uwe's priorities should lie closer to home at such a crucial time.

Agreed. It's a bit different sitting in the Isleworth studios of Sky or covering a London/SE match. I don't have any concern with a one-off visit to Man City, but the idea of him living in Manchester & getting back to family regularly worries me. He should be doing enough travelling on scouting missions already without having to build that into his routine.

Leroy lived away from home I believe, & Butcher was at least going to move down but probably didn't last long enough - they probably wouldn't have succeeded anyway but it's an interesting coincidence. It may not be the be-all & end-all but I can't believe that having family so far away from the club helps.
 

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Still no better I reckon. Many coaches, few scouts perhaps?
 

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GOOD call! Agreed. I've not personally seen him but don't you just get a gut feeling about this one? : )

"Dean Inman is Hampton's best player by a mile and is only 20.He will get snapped up by someone at professional level in the near future.Outstanding in the air,can tackle and a very good centre half.Was meant to have had a trial at Burnley a few weeks ago until Eddie Hutchinson put him out for a few weeks in the game against Havant & Waterlooville and he should have seen red for that tackle.Has really impressed me in the 6 or so games i have seen him this season."

Also - the chap who scored a bucketfull of goals at HANWORTH VILLA. I think there was two. Chelsea - yes, Chelsea - scouted one of their FA Cup games. Worth a look.
 
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