Chanting at GP

[BrookieBee]

Some of the chanting that comes from the Brookie terrace could be considered to use foul and abusive language but what are the
stewards/club doing about it?

Abusive chanting falls into a few different categories at GP:

1) If the opposition are from north of Watford, it's "you dirty
northern illegitimate types" or the "return home and assault
your spouse". Abusive and metrocentric!

2) If another London club is the opposition, it's choruses of
"west London la la la" or "breasts, vaginas and Brentford".
Sexist!

3) If it's Brighton, then allusions are made to their city being
a centre of the gay population in the south of England. Homophobic!

4) Those clubs from rural areas are greeted with the sound of
mooing etc with allusions to beastial sex acts. Abusive!

5) Clubs with small travelling supports are asked if that's all
they bring with them.

6) Those clubs that are deemed to have a community of asylum seekers or intinerant folk are treated to "you are just a bunch
of romany folk". Racist!

To many, this is just part of the matchday experience but if the
club are as good as their word about "kicking out racism etc",
then shouldn't the stewards do something? They just seem to
stand there like statues. Mind you, as they're just paid £25 a
game, I suppose they don't feel they get enough to be bothered.

Brookie

ps The club were deeply embarrassed when the low rate of pay
was brought to the notice of their former sponsor, the GMB. It
transpired that BFC were paying below the minimum wage for
stewarding. GMB had serious words at boardroom level and
the matchday pay rate was reluctantly increased by BFC as a
result. A PR disaster was averted narrowly.

 

[beezy babe]

Some of the chanting that comes from the Brookie terrace could be considered to use foul and abusive language but what are the
stewards/club doing about it?

Abusive chanting falls into a few different categories at GP:

1) If the opposition are from north of Watford, it's "you dirty
northern illegitimate types" or the "return home and assault
your spouse". Abusive and metrocentric!

2) If another London club is the opposition, it's choruses of
"west London la la la" or "breasts, vaginas and Brentford".
Sexist!

3) If it's Brighton, then allusions are made to their city being
a centre of the gay population in the south of England. Homophobic!

4) Those clubs from rural areas are greeted with the sound of
mooing etc with allusions to beastial sex acts. Abusive!

5) Clubs with small travelling supports are asked if that's all
they bring with them.

6) Those clubs that are deemed to have a community of asylum seekers or intinerant folk are treated to "you are just a bunch
of romany folk". Racist!

To many, this is just part of the matchday experience but if the
club are as good as their word about "kicking out racism etc",
then shouldn't the stewards do something? They just seem to
stand there like statues. Mind you, as they're just paid £25 a
game, I suppose they don't feel they get enough to be bothered.

Brookie

what?

So vaguely racist/homophobic and commonly used football chants are not allowed but your totally sexist view of women at football is?

 

[Luton Bee]

Your 4th "class" of chant I presume, is offensive to small clubs or towns without a large population (sizeist(sp?)). Would you perhaps prefer it if we went back to rattles, flat-caps, waxed moustaches and polite but brief rounds of applause?

Perhaps you need to find something slightly more important to worry about?

 

[Edmundo]

Like dealing with the chip on his shoulder!?

 

[beezy babe]

Like dealing with the chip on his shoulder!?

lol lol

Now come on Ed - he's entitled to his opinions, even if they do totally contradict each other!!!

 

[Luton Bee]

Like dealing with the chip on his shoulder!?

No that's unfair Ed. His views are perfectly balanced by the chip on each shoulder!

 

[BrookieBee]

No chip of either shoulder here! I was just making a point about the varied nature of abusive chanting at GP. It seems we have a chant for every occasion! No matter who it is we are playing we have a chant designed to vilify or abuse the opposition. I am not saying that other clubs don't go in for this either: most do but this just indicates the scale of the problem!

Some say it's just the rough and tumble of attending football matches. One can see why many prefer to watch it on TV instead!
As for women at matches, I want to see more of them! The sexist language I used was used ironically. I don't make a habit
of referring to women by using such demeaning terms.

The fact remains that "tits, fanny and Brentford!" is a sexist chant!
Brookie

 

[scaramanga]

:scratch:

Was you the bloke who grassed me to the rozzers last saturday?

If so , please have the courtesy to tell me to my face next time i offend you. Apologies if your post was ironic, but it really doesn't seem to be. If it's a serious post, i really don't understand why you bother going to football in the first place.

 

[beezy babe]

The fact remains that "tits, fanny and Brentford!" is a sexist chant!

And I'm a woman and it doesn't offend me!!!

 

[Carri Bee Un]

WTF are you on about Brookiebee?

Shouting abuse at the opposition fans is fun. There are limits, but for me swearing loudly at people from parts of the country I don't like is probably one of the most important parts of football.

My avatar is looking at you at the by the way.

 

[The H]

do the Brighton boys

sing "bums, arseholes and Brighton"????

:shrug:

 

[BrookieBee]

I didn't grass anyone to plod at the Barnsley game! Plod rarely seem to venture within grassing distance and what were you doing to be grassed ahyway?

Carri: I thought he was pointing at me! Are you saying that the
racist etc chanting at football is inevitable?

Brookie

 

[scaramanga]

WTF are you on about Brookiebee?

Shouting abuse at the opposition fans is fun. There are limits, but for me swearing loudly at people from parts of the country I don't like is probably one of the most important parts of football.

My avatar is looking at you at the by the way.

Seconded.

 

['Ayes B]

You are aving a laugh arn't you?????????

Whats wrong with singing "You could have come in a taxi" (Number 5), and for the life of me I cant think of one example of your number 6

As this thread has had 94 views and only eight people have polled, it would seam that the poll should be extened.

 

[BrookieBee]

"You're just a town full of pikies" or "where's your caravan?" towards those supporting Reading or Wycombe. How's that?

Brookie

 

[Brentford Bob]

The fact remains that "tits, fanny and Brentford!" is a sexist chant!

It isn't when all the ladies that attend GP are perfectly entitled to sing "C0cks, B0llocks and Brentford".

 

['Ayes B]

"You're just a town full of pikies" or "where's your caravan?" towards those supporting Reading or Wycombe. How's that?

Brookie

I've never heard either of those chants sung against Wycombe,

I am also unaware of Reading or West Berkshire having a higher than the national average population of Gypsies.

The chant is ironic, its like singing "Your Welsh and you know you are" to the Bristol teams, or "Your just a small town in Scotland" to Newcastle fans"

 

[BrookieBee]

I don't buy that. Irony is not evident when it's being chanted. I realise it's a wind-up but the caravan one is a racist wind-up.
Women singing 'cocks etc' would also be sexist. Two wrongs do not a right make!

Brookie

 

['Ayes B]

I don't buy that. Irony is not evident when it's being chanted. I realise it's a wind-up but the caravan one is a racist wind-up.
Women singing 'cocks etc' would also be sexist. Two wrongs do not a right make!

Brookie

Having just read your other thread which was full of sexist comments, I'm sorry but i cant take you seriously.

 

[nocoat]

brookie

dude are you for real?

 

[BrookieBee]

For real!

Totally for real! I just hold some controversial views. I don't like
to sit around and smooze with the status quo. My original post was ironic, as I've said. I did not intend to patronise or ridicule
women by using sexist language; I intended to take this piss out
of those that do.

Brookie

 

[Brentford Bob]

Re: For real!

status quo.

I had enough of that on Saturday.

Someone keep Gilham away from the record player PLEASE!

 

[beezy babe]

Re: Re: For real!

I had enough of that on Saturday.

Someone keep Gilham away from the record player PLEASE!

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

Some of the chanting that comes from the Brookie terrace could be considered to use foul and abusive language but what are the
stewards/club doing about it?

Abusive chanting falls into a few different categories at GP:

1) If the opposition are from north of Watford, it's "you dirty
northern illegitimate types" or the "return home and assault
your spouse". Abusive and metrocentric!

2) If another London club is the opposition, it's choruses of
"west London la la la" or "breasts, vaginas and Brentford".
Sexist!

3) If it's Brighton, then allusions are made to their city being
a centre of the gay population in the south of England. Homophobic!

4) Those clubs from rural areas are greeted with the sound of
mooing etc with allusions to beastial sex acts. Abusive!

5) Clubs with small travelling supports are asked if that's all
they bring with them.

6) Those clubs that are deemed to have a community of asylum seekers or intinerant folk are treated to "you are just a bunch
of romany folk". Racist!

To many, this is just part of the matchday experience but if the
club are as good as their word about "kicking out racism etc",
then shouldn't the stewards do something? They just seem to
stand there like statues. Mind you, as they're just paid £25 a
game, I suppose they don't feel they get enough to be bothered.

Brookie

ps The club were deeply embarrassed when the low rate of pay
was brought to the notice of their former sponsor, the GMB. It
transpired that BFC were paying below the minimum wage for
stewarding. GMB had serious words at boardroom level and
the matchday pay rate was reluctantly increased by BFC as a
result. A PR disaster was averted narrowly.

YOU CRAZY FOOL!!!!
:afro: :afro: :afro: :afro:

 

[Hamburger Hill]

just a quick thought Brookie, but when Plymouth fans were singing "You dirty northern b*stards!" to us....should they have been ejected?

I was too busy laughing to get affronted by the racist connotations

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

"You're just a town full of pikies" or "where's your caravan?" towards those supporting Reading or Wycombe. How's that?

Brookie

"TOWN FULL OF FAGGOTS..........YOURE JUST A TOWN FULL OF FAGGOTS"..................i started that song back in the late 80's...........got a problem with that chum??

 

[wanderingbee]

"TOWN FULL OF FAGGOTS..........YOURE JUST A TOWN FULL OF FAGGOTS"..................i started that song back in the late 80's...........got a problem with that chum??

lol

 

[Speedo]

Some of the chanting that comes from the Brookie terrace could be considered to use foul and abusive language but what are the
stewards/club doing about it?

Abusive chanting falls into a few different categories at GP:

1) If the opposition are from north of Watford, it's "you dirty
northern illegitimate types" or the "return home and assault
your spouse". Abusive and metrocentric!

2) If another London club is the opposition, it's choruses of
"west London la la la" or "breasts, vaginas and Brentford".
Sexist!

3) If it's Brighton, then allusions are made to their city being
a centre of the gay population in the south of England. Homophobic!

4) Those clubs from rural areas are greeted with the sound of
mooing etc with allusions to beastial sex acts. Abusive!

5) Clubs with small travelling supports are asked if that's all
they bring with them.

6) Those clubs that are deemed to have a community of asylum seekers or intinerant folk are treated to "you are just a bunch
of romany folk". Racist!

To many, this is just part of the matchday experience but if the
club are as good as their word about "kicking out racism etc",
then shouldn't the stewards do something? They just seem to
stand there like statues. Mind you, as they're just paid £25 a
game, I suppose they don't feel they get enough to be bothered.

Brookie

ps The club were deeply embarrassed when the low rate of pay
was brought to the notice of their former sponsor, the GMB. It
transpired that BFC were paying below the minimum wage for
stewarding. GMB had serious words at boardroom level and
the matchday pay rate was reluctantly increased by BFC as a
result. A PR disaster was averted narrowly.

I suffer from chronic Turrette's syndrome, which means that I cannot stop f**king swearing for more than two c**ting seconds and every f**king other word is just f*ck, c*nt or sh*t.

My life has been a f**king misery coping with this terrible curse. That was until I went to f**king Brentford and sat on the f**king Brook Road, at last I was b*llocking free from the f**king petty prejudice and ignorance of others. Finally, I found f**king like minded chaps with chronic cases of sh*tting Turrette's syndrome. No Longer was I a f*cking social outcast.

Now you f**king want to stop me from going to tw*ting football because you have a phobia of disabilities like Turrettte's, your Ignorance and prejudice makes me f**king sick, it's people like you that voted for Hitler, you know!.

Please Mods, stop Nazis like this from using the GPG, it's not what the GPG is for....Oh no.. I can feel another chronic attack coming on... F*cksh*tc*ntw*ank...quick Nurse, the screens, THE SCREENS...............ffffffffff****kkkkkkkkkkahhhhhhhhhhh!

 

[Carri Bee Un]

Indeed Speedo, it's ****y santa tw*t ****ers that don't ****ing understand our ******* problem. ****ing unbelievable bastard prejudice it is.

 

[Dr_Heinz_Kiosk]

Personally I don't care for the homophobic stuff and I would be shocked at the racist stuff I've I'd ever heard it. And the problem with the Brighton song is that we think we're funny but all fans sing that song at them.

The issue is about how to react to it. Though I draw the line personally, I wouldn't want to get police or stewards into it. Their heads are big enough and frankly too many have got an attitude akin to club bouncers or traffic wardens - ie, get tough on people who look weak; ignore hard looking people behaving badly.

Surely the best way is self-policing. We've all had that situation when someone says something out of order and people round him tell him to shut up, as my mate did when their was anti-semitic chanting at a Spurs game in the League cup a couple of seasons ago.

 

[Pinch]

Number 4 for me

 

[lady bee]

so in your view, singing that a club is '...owned by a pervert, run by a slag...' is not allowed??! i like that one

am i right in saying that in one thread you are saying that girls/women who go to matches are boring and don't scream and sing, and in the other saying that we shouldn't be able to sing about tits, fanny etc??

i'm sure if ladies go to the football and people take kids, they are going to expect a little foul language and will place hands strategically over ears!

and am i not allowed to call the ref a **** now either?!

 

[casual]

Speedo i was lead to believe that you had overcome your little problem but reading that post you havent i take it.

 

[Gaz_Thomas]

Im sorry BrookieBee if you dont want to hear that sort of chating at football then maybe you should attend another club withen another choice of sport.

Its part of football. Do you want us to sound like Rushden and not sing at all ????

When was the last time that the Brook Road sung " who the **** who the **** who the ****ing hell are you" that it fleared up trouble during or after a match???

 

[Gaz_Thomas]

To add:

Its people like you that make a fuss that will draw in more old bill (Costing to club even more) and OTT stewards.

I wouldnt be surprised if you had a say in the closure of B block in New Road and moving the away fans to the Ealing Road ??

 

[Speedo]

Speedo i was lead to believe that you had overcome your little problem but reading that post you havent i take it.

The Doctors have increased my medication...****offf..oh dear, time for another pill:moo:

 

[BrookieBee]

"Its people like you that make a fuss that will draw in more old bill (Costing to club even more) and OTT stewards.

I wouldnt be surprised if you had a say in the closure of B block in New Road and moving the away fans to the Ealing Road ??

First point: how? There is a good amount of old bill and stewards at GP on matchdays as the law says they must be there. If there's extra plod etc then it must be down to the perceived threat plod think is there from possible troub with opposing fans
(Cardiff etc).. Personally I think the stewards are bored to death
and are encouraged to justify their presence by seeing to be doing something. They rarely get a 'real' emergency to deal with.

My original point was this: if the club are supposedly against the
use of foul and abusive language on matchdays, then what are
they doing about it? It's all very well to have a law or regulation or whatever, but if it's not being policed then what's the point in it?! Some people here think that chanting stuff about travellers
etc is not somehow racist but it is. If racist chanting is expressly
banned (by law) and the club/stewards/plod do sod all about it,
then what's going on?

These are the points I was trying to make in a clear and rational
way before I was shouted down by some ignorant pillocks on here. Seems you can't start an intelligent debate on an important issue without someone taking the piss. How sad.

Brookie

 

[BrookieBee]

Point two: I had nothing to do with the decision to change ends with the away supporters. I stood on the Ealing Road in all weathers for five seasons so am now glad to be undercover
and watching them get pissed on or freeze to death etc.

 

[Gaz_Thomas]

"pissed on" - I hope you dont say that inside the ground

 

[BEEWILD]

Brookie .... Its football ... we make noise to A) get behind our lads and B) put the other team off. Yes we use abusive language but thats the way it is ... not just in Brook RD GP but in other stands in other grounds around the country and at the end of the day its a bit of light hearted entertainment. I understand your point but cannot agree with it because thats the way it has been since he year DOT. I do not condone racism but when it comes to Northerns and Southerners its just light hearted banter my scouse mate will tell you that He gives as good as he gets and thats that.
If the Stewards and the OB started nicking people for it you would see a lot of empty Football grounds up and down the country!!

Sing your heart out for the lads!!!!

 

[BrookieBee]

Cheers but...

I noticed yesterday that the majority of the chanting was in support of the super Bees and not a lot of the abusive variety.

The 'go down t'pub, beat your wife' one only appeared a couple of times. I've no problem with chanting in support of the Bees but
it's when we feel we have to diss a racial group of whatever
that I disagree. I also wonder if it has much effect: the majority of
opposing fans are at the other end of the ground - can they
hear us clearly? - and does the subject matter actually have an
effect? Do Brighton, for instance, play badly if we tell them they're
all gay or whatever? In Brighton's case, does it have any effect
if they hear it every week or does it just blend into the background?

Brooks
ps It was great to see (and hear) the Brook Road applauding Gainsborough off the pitch at the end.

 

[nocoat]

:zzzzz:

 

[scudnut]

Brookie Bee

Why don't you direct your questions by letter to the club I'm sure(ish) you may get a reply. What's the point of asking other fans about club policy?

 

[The H]

so people on the streets who swear get arrested too then? :no:

 

[coventry bee]

what about Graham Norton and thats on tv !!!!

covers all expletives every show

 

[Snappy]

Re: Cheers but...

Do Brighton, for instance, play badly if we tell them they're
all gay or whatever?

Obviously it does when they play us!

4-0
4-0
2-1
2-0......

'Can we play you every week?' springs to mind. Gay boys!

 

[Top Cat]

Which category does the chant 'Ginger pubes' fit in? This was what one young lad in the Paddock kept on shouting every time Harrold got the ball.

Frankly I was appalled. What's wrong with just shouting 'Harrold' in a Steptoe & Son sort of way?

 

[jbee]

Brookie Bee, you seem to be totally ignorant of years of tradition on the terraces.

I for one would not tolerate any racist chanting towards blacks, gypsies or any other minority groups.

The banter between Northern teams and Southern teams has been going on for years and no-one takes any offence.

As for homophobia, I don't see anything wrong with making reference to the high gay population in Brighton. i'm not saying there's anything wrong with being gay, but if people can't put up with a few arse and bum references (which again, I don't see as offensive),then they are being pathetic.

The fact of the matter is that there is rarely any trouble at Griffin Park and I think we get just the right balance of passion without descending into thuggery.

I refuse to be told that I can't swear profusely at a football match.

 

[BrookieBee]

I've stood (and even sat in the New Road) for the last ten years at GP so am definitely not ignorant of terrace culture. I accept that every match will generate chanting of one sort or another.

What I don't accept is the use of racist and homophobic abuse in
chanting. It's not being pathetic to abuse a travelling support because they happen to support a club from a city with a significant gay population. Tell me: have you ever been the subject of racist, homophobic or anti-Semitic abuse? I am sure
those who have don't see it as a bit of a laugh. All of these
forms of abuse come under the law's definition of 'hate crimes'
so it's not as though there's no legal backup.

I think GP has a lot to commend it with regard to the lack of
racist chanting (in the main). I think it's perfectly possiblt to support the Bees vocally at a match without resorting to sad
and inaccurate stereotypes.

The reason you can't swear loudly and profusely at football matches is that 'foul and abusive language' is expressly illegal.
Whether GP's rather lackadaisical stewards would be bothered
to have words and take action is a moot point!

Brooks
ps sorry if this thread is boring some contributors. I happen to
think it's important.

 

[hants in my pants]

i think it should be illegal NOT to swear at the footie.

if you don`t like swearing, f*ck off and watch some other f*cking sport eh.