Dalian Atkinson

[kempy]

Former Villa striker has died after being tasered by police!!

 

[wanderer paul]

Former Villa striker has died after being tasered by police!!

Wow. It'll be interesting to hear what happened.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/15/forme...es-after-being-hit-with-police-taser-6068402/

 

[hanworthbee]

read this story earlier...the beeb didn't mention who it was......

 

[LostBee]

Another victory for our brave boys in blue.

 

[Billy Hunt]

RIP

 

[nocoat]

Another victory for our brave boys in blue.

come on that is not fair until we have more of an idea what happened. if he came at them with a knife then good luck to them I say.

either way I assume mental illness was to blame (although I just said don't make assumptions lol ) so rest in peace that man.

that goal against Wimbledon can never be forgotten

 

[LostBee]

come on that is not fair until we have more of an idea what happened. if he came at them with a knife then good luck to them I say.

either way I assume mental illness was to blame (although I just said don't make assumptions lol ) so rest in peace that man.

that goal against Wimbledon can never be forgotten

Fair enough.

R.I.P

 

[wibs]

R.I.P Dalian and his umbrella

 

[beeherenow]

Will be very interesting to hear the circumstances leading up to this incident

 

[Billy Hunt]

Will be very interesting to hear the circumstances leading up to this incident

One of the eyewitnesses the BBC spoke to had a quite disturbing tale to tell.

 

[The Pipe]

One of the eyewitnesses the BBC spoke to had a quite disturbing tale to tell.

But in fairness the BBC did make it quite clear that no other witness said the same. Whether her contention is correct or not I doubt we will ever know but without any corroboration it remains just her view or, were I being suspicious, her few minutes of fame !!

 

[Billy Hunt]

But in fairness the BBC did make it quite clear that no other witness said the same. Whether her contention is correct or not I doubt we will ever know but without any corroboration it remains just her view or, were I being suspicious, her few minutes of fame !!

Indeed.
We shall have to wait and see what the IPCC comes up with...

 

[TW3Bee]

Very sad news.

Always remember that goal against Wimbledon, and the celebration that followed. ?

 

[sussexb]

But in fairness the BBC did make it quite clear that no other witness said the same. Whether her contention is correct or not I doubt we will ever know but without any corroboration it remains just her view or, were I being suspicious, her few minutes of fame !!

Not sure what benefit there would be for her from lying, and how many witnesses would there have been at 1.30am? But we shall see, I guess...

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rosebuchan...ho-died-afte?utm_term=.um5nAlPge1#.evd5MvED3l

 

[Billy Hunt]

Not sure what benefit there would be for her from lying, and how many witnesses would there have been at 1.30am? But we shall see, I guess...

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rosebuchan...ho-died-afte?utm_term=.um5nAlPge1#.evd5MvED3l

Sadly, I find her report of what happened very believable.

 

[sussexb]

Sadly, I find her report of what happened very believable.

Me too. Lots of places reporting that the police tasered him 3 times now. Awful.

 

[hanworthbee]

I imagine the police just keep on tasering a suspect until they drop if they fear for their safety or a member of the public.

 

[Billy Hunt]

I imagine the police just keep on tasering a suspect until they drop if they fear for their safety or a member of the public.

It's a very convenient card for them to play.

The unnecessary kicking and repeated tasering sounds all too believable. There's some wrong uns in the Police service.

 

[gbems92]

It's a very convenient card for them to play.

The unnecessary kicking and repeated tasering sounds all too believable. There's some wrong uns in the Police service.

my mrs used to be a copper... still has the power trips. ( hope she doesnt find the gpg or ill have more volts going through me than the gp gantry!)

 

[wibs]

my mrs used to be a copper... still has the power trips. ( hope she doesnt find the gpg or ill have more volts going through me than the gp gantry!)

I used to go out with a German policewoman. Whenever I used to put my underwear on in the morning she would say "you are under a vest"

Notw: none of the above is true, in fact i havent worn a vest since primary school

 

[Billy Hunt]

I used to go out with a German policewoman. Whenever I used to put my underwear on in the morning she would say "you are under a vest"

Notw: none of the above is true, in fact i havent worn a vest since primary school

Terrible abuse of a classic joke.

What did the policeman say to his tummy?
'You're under a vest'.

 

[Infatuated Bees Alter Ego]

It's a very convenient card for them to play.

The unnecessary kicking and repeated tasering sounds all too believable. There's some wrong uns in the Police service.

always 2 sides to every story ... why did they feel compelled to do that ... any reason

 

[Billy Hunt]

always 2 sides to every story ... why did they feel compelled to do that ... any reason

You'll have to ask them.

There are some people who enjoy hurting other people. :shrug:

 

[Infatuated Bees Alter Ego]

You'll have to ask them.

There are some people who enjoy hurting other people. :shrug:

Sadly there are, yes, but who is to say that is the reason here.

 

[Billy Hunt]

Sadly there are, yes, but who is to say that is the reason here.

Not me.

Sadly, I have first hand experience of being arrested. The elbows, hair pulling and various other attempts to cause pain were not really necessary. Therefore, I find the eyewitness account believable - it may not be true, but I can believe that it could have happened that way.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Not me.

Sadly, I have first hand experience of being arrested. The elbows, hair pulling and various other attempts to cause pain were not really necessary. Therefore, I find the eyewitness account believable - it may not be true, but I can believe that it could have happened that way.

Apparently she was the only witness.
Unfortunately for the old bill they didn't spot her whilst tasering the poor sod and she has the courage to come forward.
Our police are still overall the best on the world and if I was going to be arrested anywhere I would rather it be here. Like any profession they have their share of rotten apples though and should be open to far greater unbiased scrutiny.

 

[LostBee]

The two police officers involved are now under criminal investigation and have been served with notices of gross misconduct.

Quelle surprise

 

[moribee]

The two police officers involved are now under criminal investigation and have been served with notices of gross misconduct.

Quelle surprise

Good

 

[pompeybee]

The two police officers involved are now under criminal investigation and have been served with notices of gross misconduct.

Quelle surprise

It will be even more of a surprise if they are eventually found guilty of anything.

 

[LostBee]

It will be even more of a surprise if they are eventually found guilty of anything.

NFA is 1/10 favourite in my book.

 

[scaramanga]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/d...er-before-tasering-brother-says-a3321071.html

Before I judge anyone I will wait for the whole story to manifest itself.

 

[Mr Tree]

police officer charged with murder

pretty incredible that it takes three years to get this far

 

[SpiderBee]

police officer charged with murder

pretty incredible that it takes three years to get this far

If we are to believe the Standard coverage of events, how can this possibly be murder?
Utter ****ing madness. This country gets worse.

 

[nocoat]

If we are to believe the Standard coverage of events, how can this possibly be murder?
Utter ****ing madness. This country gets worse.

Maybe believe the CPS version rather than the rag paper version then ! lol

 

[SpiderBee]

Maybe believe the CPS version rather than the rag paper version then ! lol

Happy to do that when it's in the public domain.

 

[hanworthbee]

It cant believe itll be murder as it surely wasnt pre meditated. ...itll be some sort of manslaughter charge but imo he'll never be found guilty

 

[Humblebee]

It cant be murder as it wasnt pre meditated. ...itll be some sort of manslaughter charge but imo he'll never be found guilty

I don't think it has to be premeditated to be murder, but there must be an intention to kill. If the intention was just to harm the person, rather than to kill them, it is manslaughter (or so I believe).

 

[johndub]

I don't think it has to be premeditated to be murder, but there must be an intention to kill. If the intention was just to harm the person, rather than to kill them, it is manslaughter (or so I believe).

It’s murder if the defendant killed someone, with the prior intention of killing or causing grievous bodily harm.

 

[SpiderBee]

It’s murder if the defendant killed someone, with the prior intention of killing or causing grievous bodily harm.

So this officer went out that day to deliberately hurt someone? Codswallop

 

[Newport Pagnell Bee]

Probably best to let the Court process decide.

 

[whyteleafebee76]

It’s murder if the defendant killed someone, with the prior intention of killing or causing grievous bodily harm.

Not quite. The law looks at 'mens rea', i.e. mental intention but that can apply to the thought process prior to committing the act or in carrying out the act itself.

 

[johndub]

Not quite. The law looks at 'mens rea', i.e. mental intention but that can apply to the thought process prior to committing the act or in carrying out the act itself.

Would you care to elaborate on this? Mens rea is a given but do you have an example of the guilty intention only being formed when carrying out the act itself? Maybe you can quote an authority?

 

[johndub]

So this officer went out that day to deliberately hurt someone? Codswallop

Sorry, but I didn’t say that. I just gave the definition of murder. I know nothing about the officer involved or his intention.

 

[Banana]

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said on Thursday that two officers, both police constables with the West Mercia force, were facing charges. One had been charged with murder, which carries a sentence of life imprisonment, and also faced an alternate charge of manslaughter. The other had been charged with assault causing actual bodily harm.

Neither officer has been named.

The incident was investigated by the police watchdog after officers from the West Mercia force used a Taser as they tried to detain Atkinson, and other force.

The Independent Office for Police Conduct then referred the case to the CPS in October 2018 to consider whether any criminal charges should be brought.

The IOPC had previously said of its inquiry: “The investigation gathered evidence which indicates that police contact with Mr Atkinson involved the use of a Taser, followed by a period of restraint and other uses of force.”

Jenny Hopkins, of the CPS, saidAtkinson’s family had been informed of the charges.

“This decision was made following a careful review of all the evidence presented to us by the Independent Office for Police Conduct following an investigation,” she said.

Obviously it's "not that simple"

 

[hughbee]

The tragedy for his family is that it has taken so long to bring the prosecution when compared with cases not involving the police.

 

[Gee Bee]

So this officer went out that day to deliberately hurt someone? Codswallop

No but if they carried out further assault after the tasering then that bit could be considered deliberate?

 

[whyteleafebee76]

Would you care to elaborate on this? Mens rea is a given but do you have an example of the guilty intention only being formed when carrying out the act itself? Maybe you can quote an authority?

I could but my hourly rate may not be agreeable with you.

If you want a very basic example. If a pub fight breaks out and one of the people involved, knocks out the other person and then decides to continue kicking the person in the head or glasses them and it results in the persons death, then the prosecution would be trying to prove that there was intent to kill the other person.

 

[johndub]

I could but my hourly rate may not be agreeable with you.

If you want a very basic example. If a pub fight breaks out and one of the people involved, knocks out the other person and then decides to continue kicking the person in the head or glasses them and it results in the persons death, then the prosecution would be trying to prove that there was intent to kill the other person.

With respect, I think what you are now saying is different from your earlier post. Murder requires intention. That intention has to be formed prior to the act which caused the death, i.e. premeditation. In saying that, there doesn’t need to have been a prior ‘plan’ and the intention doesn’t need to have been in the mind of the offender for any particular length of time beforehand. You previously referred to the intention being simultaneous. I cannot think of any act of violence where the intention to cause harm, serious or otherwise, can be said to be simultaneous to the act itself. If A and B have a row and A punches B with such force that he kills him, the argument before the jury would be whether or not A intended to cause serious harm. He would have intended to cause some harm at least and that intention would have been formed prior to the throwing of the punch, albeit only seconds before doing so. Your earlier correction of my post was a distinction without a difference. ?*?

 

[nocoat]

The tragedy for his family is that it has taken so long to bring the prosecution when compared with cases not involving the police.

And also the fact he died

 

[LostBee]

So this officer went out that day to deliberately hurt someone?

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if that was the case, proving it is a different thing though.

Have you not seen some of the shaven headed, steroid ridden neanderthals they are giving warrant cards to these days?