Deadball situations. What exactly does

[Brickie Chap]

Martin Allen have them doing in training

One thing for sure...its not trying to get it anywhere near a team mate

We are awful with these...

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Brooker's three corners at the end. :mad1:

 

[KcBee]

I know he hasn't been playing well but I remember gayle used to hit a peach of a freekick

 

[Brickie Chap]

None of them are any bloody good. We waste countless chances every game...what the hell does Allen have them doing

 

[Simon C]

We are lost without Hutch to flick it on at the near post.

 

[RodBee]

We are lost without Hutch ............

Who would have expected a comment like that a couple of years ago!!!!!!!!!!

 

[malbee62]

Trouble is we do the same corners all the time, near post, flick on thing, and every team in our division knows this, free kicks outside the box, nobody has a straight shot, it's pasing one to another to another and by the time we have a shot the walls only inches away.

Time to sort this out MA.

 

[Wee Dave]

Perhaps if we had first-choice strikers who knew where the goal is...

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Don't get me started on the long throw to the near post ... :mad1:

 

[SurreyBee]

I go to the training quite often and to be honest i hardly ever see them work on set pieces it is mainly shooting, what to do in open play and fitness

 

[sussexb]

And why is there never anyone at the back post, or making a late run??? Ever???!

 

[kevalutonbee]

When we had the person who now plays for Rotherham but cannot be named we seemed to have a reasonably successful set piece routine where the aformentioned player pullled away from his marker and went beyond the far post and nearly always had a free header back into the danger area.

 

[Griffin]

We are dreadful at set pieces and general delivery into the box from out wide. I often wonder how a professional footballer can fail to beat the first defender from a dead ball situation. If you provide good service into the box, goals will be scored either as a direct result or as a consequence of the cross, you only have to watch Football League Review to see how many goals are scored from this kind of service however we seem to find it hard. What was it, 9 corners and 5 free kicks in dangerous positions during the first half against Bristol City, did we thereaten, I don't think so. Meanwhile they lob a good ball in and score, same for their 3rd goal.
And yes, the long throw, in order to do this well, you need someone that can throw long and try not to do it everytime so that by the 4th time you try it the opposition has sussed it out, how about mixing it up a bit

Apart from that I'm well chuffed with the start to the season

 

[The Joker]

I go to the training quite often and to be honest i hardly ever see them work on set pieces it is mainly shooting, what to do in open play and fitness

Towards the end of the Friday morning session is when they practice set piece moves.

Looks good on the training ground - not the same in a live game though.

 

[JTofBFC]

We are dreadful at set pieces and general delivery into the box from out wide. I often wonder how a professional footballer can fail to beat the first defender from a dead ball situation. If you provide good service into the box, goals will be scored either as a direct result or as a consequence of the cross, you only have to watch Football League Review to see how many goals are scored from this kind of service however we seem to find it hard. What was it, 9 corners and 5 free kicks in dangerous positions during the first half against Bristol City, did we thereaten, I don't think so. Meanwhile they lob a good ball in and score, same for their 3rd goal.
And yes, the long throw, in order to do this well, you need someone that can throw long and try not to do it everytime so that by the 4th time you try it the opposition has sussed it out, how about mixing it up a bit

Apart from that I'm well chuffed with the start to the season

Most teams will have a free kick specialist, ie somebody who can be expected to deliver a high percentage of direct shots which would at the very least require a save.

We dont seem to have such a person. (not that we have never had one, we just don't this season). Already this season I have seen free kicks taken (and invariably either blasted or side footed into the wall) by O' Connor, Frampton, Dobbo, Pratley and I'm sure there are others.

Surely there must be a player in the squad (who plays regularly) who is capable of taking over the mantle of "free kick specialist". I'd be inclined to say Gayle but it has to be something the player is up for. Its no good having such a player and then the minute we get a free kick he allows the job to be taken off him by the nearest gloryhunter.

Same goes for corners. By all accounts Brooker's yesterday were pants and Pratley seems to waste far too many also. Tabb would seem to be the best corner taker and a player of his height wouldn't be missed in the box. Might be useful if he could bang them in a bit quicker though as floating them gently to the near post doesn't seem to be working much. The routine we had a couple of years ago for a short reverse corner to O' Connor who would then deliver a well angled ball into the box worked well but.............we don't see it any more.

 

[8 Bee]

David Beckham has had marvellous success with his free kicks over the years due to:

1. Natural ability
2. Lots of practice during training

There are many local league footballers who can beat reasonable standard keepers with accurately delivered free kicks from 20 yards or so. This proves that the option of shooting for goal from free kick opportunities is not restricted to a very talented few.

Hence, why have we not had anyone who can do this since Paul Evans left?
Possible answers:

1. We don't have anyone in the squad with the skills required - Can't be true

2. The team don't practice it enough
The shambles and poor outcome that we see every time we are awarded such a kick suggests this is the case.

The kicker should either hit the ball directly (preferably in a curved path) thereby reducing the chances of it being blocked or the ball should be passed far enough to get a better angle between kicker, the wall and the goal. It's hardly rocket science (except perhaps the aerodynamics of curved football trajectories)

Commentators often stress the potential significance of a free kick within shooting range. It is one of the few opportunities when a well honed skill can reap reward without any interference from the opposition except the keeper.

Hence, we should practice this more to achieve success?

 

[The H]

And why is there never anyone at the back post, or making a late run??? Ever???!

Deon????

 

[The H]

When we had the person who now plays for Rotherham but cannot be named we seemed to have a reasonably successful set piece routine where the aformentioned player pullled away from his marker and went beyond the far post and nearly always had a free header back into the danger area.

Deon :afro: Burton :imnotafraid:

 

[jmcp]

Martin Allen was asked a question about the poor state and ideas of free kicks in his last GPG interview and pretty much refused to answer the question saying what we do is fine. Seemed in denial about the issue to me, we all watch the same game as him and can tell are routines are hopeless.

 

[Brentford_till_die]

we never have anyone at back past, why not put sodje bk post and eddie front post. not just throwing of freekicks but on corners no1 ever back post,

we seem to win headers in r box but never in the important box

 

[abee]

Dear God........I have to explain everything again.

You have to understand the code system used between the players.

Corners:-

Two hands raised in the air by the kicker means.......I'm gonna blast this into the side netting.

One hand in the air with a downward cutting motion means......get someone at the back post.........I'm gonna hit the first defender

Free kicks

Two Bees stand alongside.......one left footed on the right and the other right footed on the left. They pretend to confer and then raise one hand which means that the player on the left will do a dummy run and feint and the player on the right.......yes the one who is left footed will blast it into the wall from where the opposition break away and...........(can't give away anymore secrets from the training ground as there may be Rotherham spies lurking on here......... )

 

[Mr Tree]

we never have anyone at back past, why not put sodje bk post and eddie front post. not just throwing of freekicks but on corners no1 ever back post,

we seem to win headers in r box but never in the important box

there's only one important box...

what's all this "throwing of freekicks" malarkey? could this be where we're going wrong?

(for what it's worth i entirely agree with the original point and said so many times last year, tho somehow i think someone pointed out we scored a huge amount of goals from corners )

 

[Gee Bee]

so many times last year, tho somehow i think someone pointed out we scored a huge amount of goals from corners )

There was a thread somewhere which questioned why we don't score goals from open play. Which in itself indicates we must be scoring goals from set play.
We do indeed score a fair few from corners, but free kicks around the 18 yard to 25 yard area, we really appear to be crap on. Would have though Brooker could do something from that range.

 

[hanworthbee]

we never have anyone at back past, why not put sodje bk post and eddie front post. not just throwing of freekicks but on corners no1 ever back post,

we seem to win headers in r box but never in the important box

a perfect example of this was on tuesday, Tabby floated it to the back stick after giving the sign where Sam had ran and he was inches from putting it into the back of the net.

 

[exiledbee]

How about resurrecting the "Jackie Graham Argument"? If anyone remembers this set peice it would involve two players stepping up to the ball and once the ref. signals to take the kick, they get into a pushing and shoving match over who is going to take the kick. Meantime, while both teams and ref stand open mouthed a third "ringer" steps up "mid argument" and slots ball into unguarded net! Voila, one- nil. Obvoiusly this will not work every game, but a peach to pull out of the hat. Oh yes, "you ain't heard nothing, right?".

 

[Mr Cynical]

How about resurrecting the "Jackie Graham Argument"? If anyone remembers this set peice it would involve two players stepping up to the ball and once the ref. signals to take the kick, they get into a pushing and shoving match over who is going to take the kick. Meantime, while both teams and ref stand open mouthed a third "ringer" steps up "mid argument" and slots ball into unguarded net! Voila, one- nil. Obvoiusly this will not work every game, but a peach to pull out of the hat. Oh yes, "you ain't heard nothing, right?".

We used to do a similar thing with corners under Phil Holder.. Blisset would make a run, then stop and throw his hands up in the air and lambast (i love that word!) the corner taker only to suddenly do an about turn and make another run.. We did it every time, and it worked loads, but that probably had a lot to do with Blisset's ability in the air and Smillie's superb corners.. Marcus Gayle smacked a few beauties in from outside the box during that time, don't see why we don't let him try a couple..

Our corner routines now are appalling, most of the time we hit the near post, where our best header of the ball is waiting to try and flick the ball on to people who can't head it, or on the rare occasion when we do send it long, it's looped in so ponderously that you'd need to be doing about 60 miles an hour running onto it in order to get any power on the header.. Beckham's free-kicks and corners are so good because he whips them in with pace and curls them into or away from the keeper. You get a good head on those and it's going in like a rocket.. (or into orbit if you're Emile Heskey)..

Bizarrely, set pieces was the one thing that Wally was any good at, he actually came up with some quite succesful routines...

But all that pales into insignificance when you start talking about our 'long' throws.. my mate's 2 yr old could throw the ball in better than we do, so why do we bother? I don't think I've ever seen Brentford score from a long throw, even in Phil 'see how far you can kick it' Holder's days, a bit like our traditional kick off, which bears more relation to rugby than footie.. arrrrghh!!! :mad1: :mad2:

 

[hanworthbee]

one of the only things wally did well, play the ball short and he fakes to cross it and rolled the ball with the underside of his foot back to the corner taker who is running round the outside, that was a good routine and worked all the time