Derek McInnes Next Manager?

[The Pipe]

Interesting.

I think NF has done well since being thrown in at the deep end and certainly the football has been much easier on the eye than his predecessor. However there have been some strange team selections and following Wembley even the football has tended to drift back, may be cos theere was nothing left realisticly to play for. I beleive that NF will make a good Manager and he will have appreciated the opportunity to have a go at it, however I am not sure that he is the man to progre4ss us at this stage.

The lad from Scotland I must admit is someone I havfe not heard of however lets deal with the positives, a) he has experience as a manager as requested on here b) he has acheived promotion and a cup semi final so has some proven success c) has operated on a shoe string budget so with greater cash may do well d) seems most Scottish managers dont take any crap and expect the best from their players at all times. The negative is I do not know what style they play however I would suggest it is in the Coyle mould so will be pleased with that.

Whether there is any truth in this story I do not know however have been less than impressed with most names suggested and feel that by going outside of the norm we may actually be making a progressive statement, as such I for one would be happy with this appointment who, as far as we are conscerned, has no baggage coming with him.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

I like the idea of McInnes, funny how no one would have suggested him. Not too fussed about SPL stats, I am
sure Mr Benham would have used his contacts to build a picture about this bloke.

As for NF being bees through and through, were do you make this stuff up from !?!

If it is going to be Derek McInnes, will he be bringing a backroom team with him?
Is that going to include one Jody Morris?

 

[hitchinb]

yes - let's face it, Scottish football is awful and we don't aspire to play it. We were just enjoying the team playing decent football again and there's talk of bringing in someone who will drag us back into long ball rough and tumble. Remember, Butcher did well at Motherwell.

 

[Newbury Bee 09]

No To McInnes

 

[King Bee]

Interesting.

I think NF has done well since being thrown in at the deep end and certainly the football has been much easier on the eye than his predecessor. However there have been some strange team selections and following Wembley even the football has tended to drift back, may be cos theere was nothing left realisticly to play for. I beleive that NF will make a good Manager and he will have appreciated the opportunity to have a go at it, however I am not sure that he is the man to progre4ss us at this stage.

The lad from Scotland I must admit is someone I havfe not heard of however lets deal with the positives, a) he has experience as a manager as requested on here b) he has acheived promotion and a cup semi final so has some proven success c) has operated on a shoe string budget so with greater cash may do well d) seems most Scottish managers dont take any crap and expect the best from their players at all times. The negative is I do not know what style they play however I would suggest it is in the Coyle mould so will be pleased with that.

Whether there is any truth in this story I do not know however have been less than impressed with most names suggested and feel that by going outside of the norm we may actually be making a progressive statement, as such I for one would be happy with this appointment who, as far as we are conscerned, has no baggage coming with him.

I don't understand the negativity from some about us being linked to McInnes, his stats speak for themselves (40% win ratio, a league title, scottish cup finalist all in the space of just three seasons) and regarded as one of the most highly prized young managers in the game. He has been linked to posts at Burnley, West Brom (admitted he played there) and Watford.

I would welcome his appointment if it transpired, it may not raise eyebrows amongst the fans but it certainly will amongst the football fraternity....

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

yes - let's face it, Scottish football is awful and we don't aspire to play it. We were just enjoying the team playing decent football again and there's talk of bringing in someone who will drag us back into long ball rough and tumble. Remember, Butcher did well at Motherwell.

I assume you've seen plenty of McInnes's teams to be able to comment so confidently on their footballing style then ?

 

[IslandBee]

Here is Coyle giving his opinion on McInnes.

WARNING..... You may need an interprator.


http://youtu.be/KryvOsTdBVg

It's difficult to think that he could have given him a more glowing reference! I particularly liked the reference to him being 'a real people person' given AS's reputation. He undoubtedly has the 'attributes to manage at the highest level'. Wow!

 

[Adam]

Derek mcinnes took st Johnstone where Owen Coyle couldn't. He got them promoted and has reached the Scottish cup semi finals twice and one of those times they lost on penalties. Owen Coyle got them to the league cup semis and Scottish cup but failed to gain promotion. Having researched him a bit more I think he could be a great coup. This season he has the smallest budget or one of in the league. They may have failed to score goals this season but it must be hard to attract players of the level required to Scotland and on that budget.

 

[Adam]

Plus he doesn't have MB's scouting contacts up there !

 

[hitchinb]

You sound like a real happy chappie............................NOT.
IF ''The Sun'' is correct, and we all know how reliable they are...............NOT.
It might be such a bad appointment. Like someone has said, Scottish Managers seem to do rather well this side of the border. Ferguson,Dalgliesh,etc.
I have 100% confidence in the board to get this appointment right. We are lucky enough to have some good people in our corner. Abee, Mr Benham and the board for example. Whoever gets the gig, it wont please everybody.

This 'because he's from glasgee and noone can understand what he says so he must be a good manager' stuff is nonsense. The only reason we've heard of fergie et al is because they are successfull. What about all the scottish managers in english football who aren't successful so noone's heard of them? Show me that the man produces good football and I might be interested. For now, he's just someone who coaches a mediocre team in poor division and doesn't know the english leagues' players or teams, let alone our players.

 

[King Bee]

He took Cleveland Taylor from us, enough said. Stick with NF over him any day. Still want John Still as manager and with Dagenham going down maybe we have a chance.

A big fat NO to Mr Still thank you, hardly a progressive appointment - I don't see any other league 1 clubs coming in for him, do you? His appointment would confirm Brentford's ambitions as a small time league club.

I don't think the vast majority of Bees fans get what the club and Matthew Benham are trying to do here - surely the announcement of a development squad and us now running the slide rule over youngsters from Chelsea, Spurs and other clubs, let alone the setting up of an academy hints at the type of ambition permeating from board level ? Leave the Stills and Scotts to manage the likes of Dagenham and Rotherham...

 

[King Bee]

Derek mcinnes took st Johnstone where Owen Coyle couldn't. He got them promoted and has reached the Scottish cup semi finals twice and one of those times they lost on penalties. Owen Coyle got them to the league cup semis and Scottish cup but failed to gain promotion. Having researched him a bit more I think he could be a great coup. This season he has the smallest budget or one of in the league. They may have failed to score goals this season but it must be hard to attract players of the level required to Scotland and on that budget.

Agreed. I would even wager that his playing budget this season was smaller than ours...

 

[braunton bee]

does he know anything about english football . whats his contacts . hope we dont get a load of scottish players down playing for us .middlesborough got the best ones and looked whats happened to them

 

[sonofabee]

Rather we were considering highly rated, young, ambitious managers tracked bigger clubs than basement bargains. Some people find negatives in any option.

 

[sonofabee]

This 'because he's from glasgee and noone can understand what he says so he must be a good manager' stuff is nonsense. The only reason we've heard of fergie et al is because they are successfull. What about all the scottish managers in english football who aren't successful so noone's heard of them? Show me that the man produces good football and I might be interested. For now, he's just someone who coaches a mediocre team in poor division and doesn't know the english leagues' players or teams, let alone our players.

And your opinion on him and his team is based on?
Give the panel credit they are taking the time to research and interview thoroughly to get the right man and yet you know better!

 

[IslandBee]

does he know anything about english football . whats his contacts . hope we dont get a load of scottish players down playing for us .middlesborough got the best ones and looked whats happened to them

Knows Owen Coyle very well for starters. Has played in the English League for West Brom amongst others. Has picked up English players for St J's, albeit that that includes Cleveland. In short, the border is not yet an iron curtain though who konws what Mr Salmond will do about that over the next five years!

 

[scruff puppy pup]

Derek mcinnes took st Johnstone where Owen Coyle couldn't. He got them promoted and has reached the Scottish cup semi finals twice and one of those times they lost on penalties. Owen Coyle got them to the league cup semis and Scottish cup but failed to gain promotion. Having researched him a bit more I think he could be a great coup. This season he has the smallest budget or one of in the league. They may have failed to score goals this season but it must be hard to attract players of the level required to Scotland and on that budget.

Don't over egg it. I happened to read some match reports a few weeks back of St. Johnstone's 0-3 FA Cup semi-final defeat to Motherwell. They barely turned up. Anonymous. Toothless.
The SPL is a Mickey Mouse league. I doubt Hearts or Hibs could hold a place in the Championship.
If it really is McInnes we are chasing, then surely we must have some other structure in place for finding the talent, because he won't know the English lower leagues well-enough.
Also, a glowing reference from Owen Coyle is not such a big deal. Coyle is usually very positive about players and people.
If it's true, why are they preferring McInnes to Tisdale or Hill, or even John Still?
What's Matthew Benham's part in all this?

 

[Doovster]

does he know anything about english football . whats his contacts . hope we dont get a load of scottish players down playing for us .middlesborough got the best ones and looked whats happened to them

Do you by chance think these kind of questions and considerations have been asked/made by the board? On second thoughts they've probably just put a load of names in a hat and pulled one out

 

[vcmazz]

The St. Johnstone site members appear to have us down as a bunch of arrogant jellied eel scoffers, who Morris dance to the tune of Knees Up Mother Brown whilst wearing our Pearly King costumes .

http://www.weareperth.co.uk/vforum/showthread.php?t=15903

Rather have a bowl of porridge and a Highland fling to 'Donald Where's Yer Troosers' myself :shrug:. I'd draw the line at wearing women's clothing though :yes:.

 

[hitchinb]

I assume you've seen plenty of McInnes's teams to be able to comment so confidently on their footballing style then ?

I've seen enough scottish football teams not to want the style or management of any of them at Griffin Park.

 

[hitchinb]

Do you by chance think these kind of questions and considerations have been asked/made by the board? On second thoughts they've probably just put a load of names in a hat and pulled one out

I did wonder how they appointed Butcher, Rosenoir, Fitzgerald.

 

[Doovster]

I've seen enough scottish football teams not to want the style or management of any of them at Griffin Park.

At least 25% of current Premiership sides are managed by a Scot so they can't be all that bad.

 

[Doovster]

I did wonder how they appointed Butcher, Rosenoir, Fitzgerald.

I agree that it appeared that way in the past. I do think the current crop deserve a bit more credit though.

 

[vcmazz]

At least 25% of current Premiership sides are managed by a Scot so they can't be all that bad.

As are Rotherham which kind of counter balances your argument :yes:

 

[Westlad]

yes - let's face it, Scottish football is awful and we don't aspire to play it. We were just enjoying the team playing decent football again and there's talk of bringing in someone who will drag us back into long ball rough and tumble. Remember, Butcher did well at Motherwell.

You could just as easily compare him to Coyle though and if your going to generalise I dont think league one fans can talk about a high standard of football, several teams play long ball football in our division so presumeably he'll be used to it.

 

[Ambrose_1889]

Don't over egg it. I happened to read some match reports a few weeks back of St. Johnstone's 0-3 FA Cup semi-final defeat to Motherwell. They barely turned up. Anonymous. Toothless.
The SPL is a Mickey Mouse league. I doubt Hearts or Hibs could hold a place in the Championship.
If it really is McInnes we are chasing, then surely we must have some other structure in place for finding the talent, because he won't know the English lower leagues well-enough.
Also, a glowing reference from Owen Coyle is not such a big deal. Coyle is usually very positive about players and people.
If it's true, why are they preferring McInnes to Tisdale or Hill, or even John Still?
What's Matthew Benham's part in all this?

lol

Oh wow, so St Johnstone didn't turn up for one match. On that basis, we should turn down Mourinho after Madrid's no show against Barcelona in the first leg. No to Wenger as well. Some comments on here are absolutely laughable. And then to go on to say you'd rather John Still.

I'd say Benham has a HUGE role in this.

 

[magicbees]

A big fat NO to Mr Still thank you, hardly a progressive appointment - I don't see any other league 1 clubs coming in for him, do you? His appointment would confirm Brentford's ambitions as a small time league club.

I don't think the vast majority of Bees fans get what the club and Matthew Benham are trying to do here - surely the announcement of a development squad and us now running the slide rule over youngsters from Chelsea, Spurs and other clubs, let alone the setting up of an academy hints at the type of ambition permeating from board level ? Leave the Stills and Scotts to manage the likes of Dagenham and Rotherham...

Any manager that can get Dagenham into league one with there resources deserve a chance. I don't want a big time Charlie as manager I want a decent manager.

 

[JOABee]

yes - let's face it, Scottish football is awful and we don't aspire to play it. We were just enjoying the team playing decent football again and there's talk of bringing in someone who will drag us back into long ball rough and tumble. Remember, Butcher did well at Motherwell.

Forster over McInnes defintley.

 

[JohnOmarasShorts]

The arrogance of some on here is astounding, maybe those named have no interest in managing Brentford.
I'm afraid I'm one of those who trusts the board to get it right.
To say that Forster is Brentford through and through isn't necessarily a recommendation, you could say that Scott was even more so.
I know little about the Scottish scene but accept that if he's improved on a team that Coyle worked with he can't be all that bad.
A mate who is a regular at Scottish matches rates McInnes, saying that his team tries to play football, better than some up there.
Still what do I know.

 

[Ambrose_1889]

Forster over McInnes defintley.

Nahhhh. McInnes over Forster definitely.

Forster has shown his limitations.

 

[sonofabee]

I did wonder how they appointed Butcher, Rosenoir, Fitzgerald.

You keep living in the past and moaning about being a small club, the rest of us will try to move forwards with optimism.

 

[wanderer paul]

It Seems more and more likely, IMO, that McInnes will be the next manager of BFC. Has just as much chance of success as Di Matteo, Buckle, Still, Tisdale etc etc Before passing judgement on him and his style (whatever that may be) let's see what happens once it's all done and dusted.

MB has made it a bullet point that we need to play football. Does anyone really think that the club would get a manager in that doesn't play a style of football that pleases and that can be coached from ages of 7/8-21??

It's a big decision, one which not all will be happy with, but one which we all need to support.

If he's sh*t, we'll all gang up on him and boo him, until he goes back home to Scotland :yuck:

 

[wanderer paul]

The arrogance of some on here is astounding, maybe those named have no interest in managing Brentford.
I'm afraid I'm one of those who trusts the board to get it right.
To say that Forster is Brentford through and through isn't necessarily a recommendation, you could say that Scott was even more so.
I know little about the Scottish scene but accept that if he's improved on a team that Coyle worked with he can't be all that bad.
A mate who is a regular at Scottish matches rates McInnes, saying that his team tries to play football, better than some up there.
Still what do I know.

 

[brighton bee]

9 goals at home all season wow.

Open mind though and all that

 

[wanderer paul]

9 goals at home all season wow.

Open mind though and all that

Peterborough scored 69 at home, and 106 in total, in the league. Has that got them up? No. Remember we could've gone up with a minus GD with MA. Would we have complained about negative footy if we made it? No. (not yet anyway!) It's all about the end product and where we are come after 4,55 of the 46th league game of the league 1 season of 2011/2012.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

Peterborough scored 69 at home, and 106 in total, in the league. Has that got them up? No. Remember we could've gone up with a minus GD with MA. Would we have complained about negative footy if we made it? No. (not yet anyway!) It's all about the end product and where we are come after 4,55 of the 46th league game of the league 1 season of 2011/2012.

And where are St. Johnstone in the SPL?
If we're gonna be mediocre, can we at least score some goals?
At least that gets you talked about and the neutrals will come back for more.
22 goals in 36 SPL games is a scary stat.

 

[walsall bee]

george burley said on talksport he wants a new challenge?? i wouldnt mind him

 

[Hanwell_Bee]

Whoever the board appoint its their decision. Whoever gets mentioned on this board is largely going to be irrelevant.
If it is to be McInnes then so be it......I just hope the board as the foresight to insert clauses into the contract to minimise any potentinal pay offs because to be honest I can see us going through all this rigmarole again come December.

 

[brighton bee]

Peterborough scored 69 at home, and 106 in total, in the league. Has that got them up? No. .

well they are in play offs so who knows?

I could excuse no goals if were in the top six. I could excuse (for one season maybe as long as there's improvement) just missing out as long as we play exciting and attacking football.

What I can't excuse is both

 

[toeneebee]

Does the appointment of McInnes mean that he will bring back Cleveland Taylor?? I'm sure that's where he ended up?

 

[brighton bee]

Does the appointment of McInnes mean that he will bring back Cleveland Taylor?? I'm sure that's where he ended up?

Let's hope not

 

[toeneebee]

Let's hope not

Agreed!

 

[The Pipe]

Must be something about brentford with all this negativity on here, I would hazard a guess that none of the critics have any idea of how he plays the game and what restrictions he has had to deal with.

We are I beleive setting a load of KPI,s for our new Manager something that is unusual in football and this would give us some fall back position if it all goes tits up. All the candidates will have been aware of what our requirements are and no doubt have had to do some form of presentattion to highlight their ideals and how their style and ambitions dovetail into those of the club. If the papers are correct than the lad from Scotland has shown that he can tick the most boxes and therefore is the ideal candidate.

A number of posters have gone for Managers from our division and below and the first question is have they applied as the position has been available for soem time, if they have not then they are not what we want, somehow this guy has got on our radar and presumably impressed, as such I would far rather have an experienced manager who has acheived promotions and cup finals oh yes the only candidate I beleive who can offer that on their CV is the Scot so he has my vote.

 

[wayfarer172]

The arrogance of some on here is astounding, maybe those named have no interest in managing Brentford.
I'm afraid I'm one of those who trusts the board to get it right.
To say that Forster is Brentford through and through isn't necessarily a recommendation, you could say that Scott was even more so.
I know little about the Scottish scene but accept that if he's improved on a team that Coyle worked with he can't be all that bad.
A mate who is a regular at Scottish matches rates McInnes, saying that his team tries to play football, better than some up there.
Still what do I know.

Let's say that the ''Sun'' is right, and MI is going to be our next manager.
I would guess that Mr Benham has played a major role in trying to get him to manage BFC. After all Mr Benham does have a lot of clout, and we would be stuffed without him now.
So, assuming that DI is the choice of MB,are all you people that are so pro NF going to turn against MB. Let's face it MB hasn't become it seems a wealthy man by being stupid with his money and making wrong decisions. It seems to me the present board are pretty pissed of with being known as ''little old Brentford'', and are prepared to do something about it. When you hear of other clubs being in Dire Straits(MY favourite Band btw) and thanks to Mr Benham and the board we are on a more steady footing these days.
I would say to you keyboard warriors who are only happy when ur miserable, just leave it all to MB, Abee and the rest of the board. If it is DI and if he's good enough for the board then he's good enough for me.

 

[Ambrose_1889]

Let's say that the ''Sun'' is right, and MI is going to be our next manager.
I would guess that Mr Benham has played a major role in trying to get him to manage BFC. After all Mr Benham does have a lot of clout, and we would be stuffed without him now.
So, assuming that DI is the choice of MB,are all you people that are so pro NF going to turn against MB. Let's face it MB hasn't become it seems a wealthy man by being stupid with his money and making wrong decisions. It seems to me the present board are pretty pissed of with being known as ''little old Brentford'', and are prepared to do something about it. When you hear of other clubs being in Dire Straits(MY favourite Band btw) and thanks to Mr Benham and the board we are on a more steady footing these days.
I would say to you keyboard warriors who are only happy when ur miserable, just leave it all to MB, Abee and the rest of the board. If it is DI and if he's good enough for the board then he's good enough for me.

:thetruth:

 

[blunstone]

the board have gotten more wrong than right...

 

[jimmycisabee]

the board have gotten more wrong than right...

correct, i watch a lot of scottish football and this would be another one to add to the tally

 

[Infatuated Bees Alter Ego]

I'm WELL up for this McInnes character to get the job ... I've already got the shirt with his (my) name on the back of it LOL

 

[south coast bees]

Let's say that the ''Sun'' is right, and MI is going to be our next manager.
I would guess that Mr Benham has played a major role in trying to get him to manage BFC. After all Mr Benham does have a lot of clout, and we would be stuffed without him now.
So, assuming that DI is the choice of MB,are all you people that are so pro NF going to turn against MB. Let's face it MB hasn't become it seems a wealthy man by being stupid with his money and making wrong decisions. It seems to me the present board are pretty pissed of with being known as ''little old Brentford'', and are prepared to do something about it. When you hear of other clubs being in Dire Straits(MY favourite Band btw) and thanks to Mr Benham and the board we are on a more steady footing these days.
I would say to you keyboard warriors who are only happy when ur miserable, just leave it all to MB, Abee and the rest of the board. If it is DI and if he's good enough for the board then he's good enough for me.

Whoever our Manager is to be will have my 100% support,as you all should.

 

[Sweepy]

Didn't we last try the passing game in 2006?


I've made a decision once and for all about the next manager. I don't care who he is, as long as he's...... Scottish. That's right. Look at who the best managers are. You can't go wrong with a Scots manager.

I stand by this judgement from the 20th April

Many seem to agree that the SPL is a pretty lousy league. Celtic and Rangers could comfortably compete in the Premier League (they can't be worse than West Ham), but what about the rest? It is not easy to make a direct comparison with England, which have very different leagues, but there is a huge gulf between some of the teams in that division. Therefore, I think it is tempting to over-analyse the lack of goals. St. Johnstone have at least 8 difficult matches every season to factor in, and they're probably smaller than four or five other clubs in the division as well. He would obviously be expected to produce a more attacking side here.

If we are interested in McInnes, it also suggests the board have cast their net far and wide in the search for a new manager.

One question will be of how much control the new manager will have over signings (AS had far too much) and whether or not he will act on recommendations regarding players such as Schlupp. Will he have his own ideas? We are entering an exciting new chapter whatever happens.