Derek McInnes Next Manager?

[steve.bees89]

As long as the football is good, and we challenge for promotion, I don't care if Peter Sutcliffe is bought in.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

We heard all the stories and dreaded it but as I said he has been the consumate professional. Seems settled in private life and maybe has helped him grow up. No disrespect taken I would agree entirely that he should have gone further than us.

He just needs to stay away from London and the South East does JM.

 

[charliebee28]

St Johnstone manager Derek McInnes has confirmed he has been contacted by Brentford but did not expand on any interest in taking charge at Griffin Park.

The League One club parted company with former boss Andy Scott in February, with striker Nicky Forster taking charge on a caretaker basis.

Former West Brom manager Roberto Di Matteo had been strongly linked with the Brentford position, but the Bees could now offer Saints compensation for McInnes.

"I can confirm that I have spoken to Brentford," said McInnes.

"But that's all I am going to say about the matter at the moment."

McInnes, 39, has been in charge at McDiarmid Park since 2007 and has been linked in the past with vacant managerial posts at Watford and former club West Brom.

Brentford finished 11th in League One this season but the Saints boss would have a far bigger budget to work with than at McDiarmid Park should he make the move.

McInnes is preparing for St Johnstone's final two SPL games against Hamilton on Tuesday night and St Mirren on Saturday but, with Brentford's bid now in the public domain, he may have to make a decision this week.

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[jlove]

... he does not appear to have any ties to London during his playing or managing/coaching career.

He played for Millwall, where he was captain for a match or two... but then returned to North Britain to play for St Johnstone. He does know where London is, then.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

As long as the football is good, and we challenge for promotion, I don't care if Peter Sutcliffe is bought in.

Surely being incarcerated in Broadmoor would make scouting and training difficulty. I could give him a lift to matches though.

 

[kempy]

I've spent the weekend quietly thinking about this possible appointment. Being honest, I have to say it doesn't excite me one bit and really felt we were looking at a proven big name coming in. However, one thought I have had is that given he is Scottish maybe this could be an advantage in obtaining some young premier league players on loan, particularly when you look at some of the premier league clubs with Scottish managers - Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton, Bolton.

 

[jlove]

What does he know of our squad - who to keep, who to ship out, etc. What does he know about players who will improve our team from the Football league? Not excited by this if it is true.

It sounds like the 'selection committee' have done some good due diligence; aided, I suspect, by MB's database.

We need a manager to take us forward and who will buy into the vision that MB and the Board have for the future. NF, no matter how nice he is, is on a steep learning curve; we need someone who is further on. All the managers touted as "done quite well on a low budget", from Hill to Still, are not necessarily the right managers for BFC with our ambitions unless they have the same ambitions. Many may have disliked AS's "arrogance" but I, for one, want an arrogant manager, confident in his ability to deliver. You can stuff the "matey with the fans" and "jolly nice chap"; I don't want to drink with him in the pub, I want to see progress, on and off the pitch.

Scottish hard bastard fits the bill for me.

 

[mpmbee]

"Brentford did make the (St) Johnston Paint Trophy Final this year.. .........but any manager in Del's position would need to ask themelves do they really want to go to the scabbiest club in London?
Really, really dire club, stadium, the lot. Up there with Dagenham and Redbridge!
If he takes that offer....football is f----ked up;"


Some Bitter comments on their forum

 

[greg91mcd]

Hi guys, St Johnstone fan here. This has been a shock for everyone hearing McInnes linked with your job. In the past when he has been linked with teams such as Bunrley and WBA it has all been media talk and he has always denied speaking to those clubs. If he was to get the job i would imagine he could do a great job. Looking through the earlier posts in this thread there has been numerous people speaking of Owen Coyle - in my opinion and plenty other saints, McInnes has done better than Coyle. He gained promotion in his first year, something Coyle was unable to achieve and with a tight budget he has managed to keep us safe in the SPL. Last year was our first in the SPL for numerous years and we were unlucky not to make the top six. Our big problem was conceding goals, at the other end of the pitch we were scoring for fun. This year he managed to tighten up our defence with the signing of Michael Duberry and we've never looked back. However, we have been struggling to score as it has been mentioned - this is not due to lack of chances being created i have to say!
McInnes has brought in some poor players like your Cleveland Taylors etc but he managed to bring in Jody Morris (although i know people have opinions on him he has been different class for us) Michael Duberry, Peter Enckleman and also Murray Davidson who is now being linked with moves to the EPL and Championship. He is a very good young manager and if he were to be your next manager i would be very disappointed but would wish him well as he has got us back to the SPL and given us some very memorable times!

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Scottish hard bastard fits the bill for me.

I'm not sure that's his style. Been described more as a people person.

 

[charliebee28]

English League One side Brentford claim they have an agreement in place with Derek McInnes to make him their new manager but St Johnstone chairman Geoff Brown has played down reports that the in-demand boss is on the move.

Saints boss McInnes is reported to be in line to replace interim manager Nicky Forster at the London club at the end of the season. Brown says that although the League One club have approached St Johnstone, claims that a deal is done are wide of the mark.

“I can confirm Brentford have approached us but they have not discussed or agreed compensation for Derek,” the chairman told the Scottish Sun.

“They told me they believed they had agreed terms with Derek but he assures me no-one has agreed anything. They have spoken to his agent.”

Brown said that he was keen to keep McInnes in place but realised that the manager’s ambitions may lie beyond the Scottish Premier League. However, he questioned whether the Brentford job would represent a step up from the Scottish top flight.

“I would try to shoo them away but we have always maintained that if a manager believes he is moving on we won’t stand in his way,” he added.

“That makes it difficult for us. We aren’t in a position to match the financial rewards on offer down south.

“But Brentford is not what I would call a high-profile job. It’s not the sort of post I believe Derek should be going for. I would be disappointed if Del took this job because I believe he deserves a bigger club. But the reality is that it will be Del’s decision provided compensation is agreed.”

McInnes moved from the pitch to the dugout in 2007, replacing Owen Coyle as St Johnstone boss. Since then he has seen his stock rise and has been linked with jobs at West Bromwich Albion and Watford before the latest interest from Brentford.

 

[BuzzBeeSi]

I am far more interested in the opinions of St Johnstone fans than any statistics people might throw up (remember Andy Scott?). Haven't heard a bad word said about him, and the comparison to Owen Coyle is very exciting indeed.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Reading their forums makes me hope this goes through, good reports on him with disbelief that he would join "scabby" Brentford.
Sometimes the not knowing makes these things more exciting, this curve ball is very interesting IMO.

 

[Westlad]

English League One side Brentford claim they have an agreement in place with Derek McInnes to make him their new manager but St Johnstone chairman Geoff Brown has played down reports that the in-demand boss is on the move.

Saints boss McInnes is reported to be in line to replace interim manager Nicky Forster at the London club at the end of the season. Brown says that although the League One club have approached St Johnstone, claims that a deal is done are wide of the mark.

“I can confirm Brentford have approached us but they have not discussed or agreed compensation for Derek,” the chairman told the Scottish Sun.

“They told me they believed they had agreed terms with Derek but he assures me no-one has agreed anything. They have spoken to his agent.”

Brown said that he was keen to keep McInnes in place but realised that the manager’s ambitions may lie beyond the Scottish Premier League. However, he questioned whether the Brentford job would represent a step up from the Scottish top flight.

“I would try to shoo them away but we have always maintained that if a manager believes he is moving on we won’t stand in his way,” he added.

“That makes it difficult for us. We aren’t in a position to match the financial rewards on offer down south.

“But Brentford is not what I would call a high-profile job. It’s not the sort of post I believe Derek should be going for. I would be disappointed if Del took this job because I believe he deserves a bigger club. But the reality is that it will be Del’s decision provided compensation is agreed.”
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McInnes moved from the pitch to the dugout in 2007, replacing Owen Coyle as St Johnstone boss. Since then he has seen his stock rise and has been linked with jobs at West Bromwich Albion and Watford before the latest interest from Brentford.

Seems strange that he's turned down jobs at West Brom and Watford and yet he's apparently agreed terms with us, if his 'stock has risen' since. Surely if that's true he'd be hoping to get a championship job in the summer. Maybe we've just sold the club well to him.

 

[Steve G]

Sounds like it would be quite a coup if we get him. Bright, ambitious young manager for an ambitious club striving for Championship football in a new stadium. Perfect fit

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Seems strange that he's turned down jobs at West Brom and Watford and yet he's apparently agreed terms with us, if his 'stock has risen' since. Surely if that's true he'd be hoping to get a championship job in the summer. Maybe we've just sold the club well to him.

Maybe we've got a lot to sell.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

McInnes seems to have made a decision himself about where he goes next with his managerial career.
St. Johnstone are skint, it's time to move on. People have noted how many Scottish managers there are in the Premiership, but actually none of them manage in London.
I don't doubt we are a stepping stone in McInnes's career path, but then we are a small club, so I have no problems with that, just as long as he can get us into the Championship.

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

MCINNES OUT, shake it all about. :computer:

 

[SmiffyBee]

If El Del becomes our next manager, I think I am correct in saying he would be the first BFC boss, to have scored against FC Alania Vladikavkaz

 

[jlove]

Seems strange that he's turned down jobs at West Brom and Watford and yet he's apparently agreed terms with us, if his 'stock has risen' since. Surely if that's true he'd be hoping to get a championship job in the summer. Maybe we've just sold the club well to him.

I don't believe he was ever offered the WBA job, his name was linked due to being an ex-player now in management, just like always. Similarly, his name was linked to Watford but there does not seem to have been an official approach. So, he didn't turn them down. In our case, their chairman has confirmed our interest.

Scottish people person with a steely resolve, then.

 

[Dan Kirk Bee]

Scottish TV say done deal!!!!! Compensation being negotiated..........

http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-premier/st-johnstone/247996-brentford-claim-mcinnes-agreement/

 

[KGB]

I presume that he has been interviewed by BFC & therefore presume that we must have asked St J for permission to do so - maybe DM even applied directly for the job although that seems unlikely to me.

If all these rumours are true, & momentum certainly appears to be growing, & the assumptions made above are correct, compensation is likely to be the final sticking point in the process.

Only reservations for me are:

He left London once before due to not bringing his family with him. I presume they would come this time, but the cost of living down South is a lot higher than in Perth (so might the salary be?)

Does he know enough about potential signings from English clubs & especially lower league outfits?

Plus points:

His knowledge of the Scottish leagues - players like Dorrans, Adams, Caddis, Ferry have all done well down here

Obviously likes to play football & his record & endorsements are pretty impressive

His ambition may be excited/satisfied by the 'project' at BFC being sold to him - I certainly hope that this is the case as exciting times could be ahead.

 

[wayfarer172]

Who was the dastardly person who leaked this story to the Sun Newspaper?

 

[nick logan]

Really is some complete boll0cks talked on this thread. McInnes is very highly rated and has been linked with far more high profile jobs than ours. Maybe Keith Hill doesn't want to work in London and maybe DeMatteo won't get out of bed for less than £1m a year. We don't know the ins and outs but if these rumours are true then to my mind it sends out signals that we are on the up.

The goalscoring record at St Johnstone this season that some people have highlighted is a bit of a concern admittedly but the SPL is not a normal league, it is dominated by two teams and to get an unfashionable team like St Johnstone to 8th for the 2nd season running above the likes of Hibernian and Aberdeen who will have much bigger budgets is no mean feat. The goalscoring record at St Johnstone in 2008/9 when they finished as League 1 champions and in 2009/10 when they were one of the highest scorers in the Premier League finishing 8th also seems to have been completely forgotten by some amateur stattos !

Won't please may of the jock haters on the GPG mind you if it turns out to be true but I won't be grumbling.

Good post. Would be a great appointment i reckon.

 

[Newbee]

I am far more interested in the opinions of St Johnstone fans than any statistics people might throw up (remember Andy Scott?). Haven't heard a bad word said about him, and the comparison to Owen Coyle is very exciting indeed.

Reading their forum, it seems a few weeks ago , some of them were calling for him to be sacked...

 

[KGB]

Agree with this.

It does seem however that Scottish managers have done well at lower levels recently. Bill Davies, Lambert & MacKay are all doing really good jobs.

McInnes seems to have made a decision himself about where he goes next with his managerial career.
St. Johnstone are skint, it's time to move on. People have noted how many Scottish managers there are in the Premiership, but actually none of them manage in London.
I don't doubt we are a stepping stone in McInnes's career path, but then we are a small club, so I have no problems with that, just as long as he can get us into the Championship.

 

[IslandBee]

It sounds like the 'selection committee' have done some good due diligence; aided, I suspect, by MB's database.

We need a manager to take us forward and who will buy into the vision that MB and the Board have for the future. NF, no matter how nice he is, is on a steep learning curve; we need someone who is further on. All the managers touted as "done quite well on a low budget", from Hill to Still, are not necessarily the right managers for BFC with our ambitions unless they have the same ambitions. Many may have disliked AS's "arrogance" but I, for one, want an arrogant manager, confident in his ability to deliver. You can stuff the "matey with the fans" and "jolly nice chap"; I don't want to drink with him in the pub, I want to see progress, on and off the pitch.

Scottish hard bastard fits the bill for me.[/QUOTE]

Interestingly though Own Coyle is quoted as saying he is a very 'good people person' so maybe he doesn't quite fit this particular stereotype

 

[jlove]

... Owen Coyle is quoted as saying he is a very 'good people person' so maybe he doesn't quite fit this particular stereotype

I have revised it...

Scottish people person with a steely resolve, then.

 

[IslandBee]

Reading their forum, it seems a few weeks ago , some of them were calling for him to be sacked...

On any forum at any time there is almost always one or two doing this. Overall, their fans seem pretty unhappy about his potential departure

 

[Worthing Red]

If the board say 'Del boy' is the man to drag this club up into the Championship, then that is good enough for me.

This time next year, we could be .............

(I will leave it to you to fill in the blanks)

My gut feeling is 'promoted'

 

[wayfarer172]

If DM gets the gig, and nothing is cast in stone yet I reckon Warbs will be his No2. Warbs, knows a lot of people worth knowing.
I'm not sure what will happen with NF, but I'm sure BFC will look after him.

 

[jharvey85]

If DM gets the gig, and nothing is cast in stone yet I reckon Warbs will be his No2. Warbs, knows a lot of people I'm sure.
I'm not sure what will happen with NF, but I'm sue BFC will look after him.

Another alternative is that NF will be the assistant with Warbs taking charge of the Development Squad.

 

[wayfarer172]

Another alternative is that NF will be the assistant with Warbs taking charge of the Development Squad.

You could well be right.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

Reading their forum, it seems a few weeks ago , some of them were calling for him to be sacked...

St. Johnstone fans, they're so McFickle.

I'll go with McInnes. I'm glad it's not Di Matteo.
Curious to see what Keith Hill does next. I hope he gets a bigger club, but then it'll have to be one who can give him some time.

 

[SmiffyBee]

I'm not sure what will happen with NF, but I'm sure BFC will look after him.

Nicky Forster has another year of his contract to run.

 

[mattbee85]

One thing that does concern me is he signed Cleveland taylor!!!!

 

[stoney04]

just read a bit about him....... NO thanks Brentford!

 

[1markbee]

Nicky Forster has another year of his contract to run.

Do we know that for sure? Did that change when he took over as manager? If he does tho, can't see him wanting to come back as a player, can you?

 

[south coast bees]

justread a bit aout him....... NO thanks Brentford!

Reading not your strong point then?

 

[scruff puppy pup]

justread a bit aout him....... NO thanks Brentford!

That's good enough for me.
McInnes IN!

 

[chippendale]

If DM gets the gig, and nothing is cast in stone yet I reckon Warbs will be his No2. Warbs, knows a lot of people worth knowing.

I it is McInnes wouldn't he wont to bring in his own no2, Tony Docherty.

 

[wanderer paul]

These points about not knowing the English game and contacts etc, Mark Warburton will probably be his No.2, or a coach within the club, and with his contacts, we should be fine.

Just get on with it all!!

 

[Brentford_till_die]

Is it likely DM will bring his backroom staff with him ?

 

[BuzzBeeSi]

One thing that does concern me is he signed Cleveland taylor!!!!

To be fair he was good until we signed him.

 

[stoney04]

dont we want to get someone with experience of managing in this sh*t league and knows how to get teams out of it in an upwards direction?!!!!

 

[1884]

Hi there,
Saints fan here.

Obviously you want to know all about your target.

Firstly, make no mistake, Del will go far in the game, no doubt about his ability, he is a better manager than Coyle.
I am reading some crap about SPL, done nothing, never heard of him.
He won us the 1st div, 3 semi finals in 3 years, lost twice to Rangers (one on penalties) and consolidated us in the SPL, played some great stuff last year but bad luck with strikers this year done us but superb at the back. (and cleveland Taylor rarely plays cause he's crap)
Not too shabby for a "wee club" like ours.
Yes he has been linked with several clubs in the last few years and DID turn down Watford.
If he is going to go to Brentford he will take his number 2 Tony Docherty, they come as a package.
You will have to show him your ambitious or he will not come, tough league to get out of with the Sheffield clubs in there so you have a bit of persuading to do. If he doesn't have assurances of money to sign players you can forget it.
You will be a stepping stone for him.
His 1st signing will be Michael Duberry.

As for "never heard of him", well you don't know much about football or simply don't take an intrest on anything outside of London.

So show him the colour of your money and you will have a top manager who will take your club forward.
I obviously hope he stays but the fact is he will move eventually, as he is going all the way.
BEST OF LUCK.

 

[perthsaint]

As a Saints fan I can assure you that Del has more contact down your way than he seems to do up this way. Most of our better signings have come from the lower levels in England (Except for Taylor) and no doubt you will now sign players like Marcus Haber who we had on loan from west Brom last year.

3 cup semi finals (Two Scottish and one league cup) a promotion and SPL safety are about as much as any manager of St Johnstone can reasonable expect over 10 years never mind 3 1/2 seasons. We have a great cup record under Coyle and then McInnes and over the last 5 years (3 of which were in SFL1) we have been in as many cup semi finals as celtic and only 1 less than Rangers both of who's budgets are way in excess of ours.

Yes fans were calling for him to go but when you go over 1100 minutes without one of your own players scoring in the league what do you expect.

 

[Dan Kirk Bee]

Hi there,
Saints fan here.

Obviously you want to know all about your target.

Firstly, make no mistake, Del will go far in the game, no doubt about his ability, he is a better manager than Coyle.
I am reading some crap about SPL, done nothing, never heard of him.
He won us the 1st div, 3 semi finals in 3 years, lost twice to Rangers (one on penalties) and consolidated us in the SPL, played some great stuff last but bad luck with strikers this year done us but superb at the back. (and cleveland Taylor rarely plays cause he's crap)
Not too shabby for a "wee club" like ours.
Yes he has been linked with several clubs in the last few years and DID turn down Watford.
If he is going to go to Brentford he will take his number 2 Tony Docherty, they come as a package.
You will have to show him your ambitious or he will not come, tough league to get out of with the Sheffield clubs in there so you have a bit of persuading to do. If he doesn't have assurances of money to sign players you can forget it.
You will be a stepping stone for him.
His 1st signing will be Michael Duberry.

As for "never heard of him", well you don't know much about football or simply don't take an intrest on anything outside of London.

So show him the colour of your money and you will have a top manager who will take your club forward.
I obviously hope he stays but the fact is he will move eventually, as he is going all thway.
BEST OF LUCK.

Sounds to me as though we should snap him up!!!

Thanks for your honesty - and good wishes.

How much compo do you think Saints will want?

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Hi there,
Saints fan here.

Obviously you want to know all about your target.

Firstly, make no mistake, Del will go far in the game, no doubt about his ability, he is a better manager than Coyle.
I am reading some crap about SPL, done nothing, never heard of him.
He won us the 1st div, 3 semi finals in 3 years, lost twice to Rangers (one on penalties) and consolidated us in the SPL, played some great stuff last year but bad luck with strikers this year done us but superb at the back. (and cleveland Taylor rarely plays cause he's crap)
Not too shabby for a "wee club" like ours.
Yes he has been linked with several clubs in the last few years and DID turn down Watford.
If he is going to go to Brentford he will take his number 2 Tony Docherty, they come as a package.
You will have to show him your ambitious or he will not come, tough league to get out of with the Sheffield clubs in there so you have a bit of persuading to do. If he doesn't have assurances of money to sign players you can forget it.
You will be a stepping stone for him.
His 1st signing will be Michael Duberry.

As for "never heard of him", well you don't know much about football or simply don't take an intrest on anything outside of London.

So show him the colour of your money and you will have a top manager who will take your club forward.
I obviously hope he stays but the fact is he will move eventually, as he is going all the way.
BEST OF LUCK.

Thank you but no way, he's absolute sh*te and was at Wycombe, not being big headed or funny but we have far better than him on our books already.

 

[jharvey85]

The more I hear about McInnes, the more I like. Sounds like he plays attractive football (but with a plan B).

Could the Saints fans that have commented above suggest whereabouts in the English football league St Johnstone's level of play is equal to?