Diving, Simulation, and Banning

[Porgey]

Seems to me that everyone is getting mightly p***ed off with all this diving and cheating going on at this year's World Cup.

The game has certainly lost a great opportunity to spread the word amongst (above all) the Yanks and the Aussies. But why would any potential new fans turn to supporting a sport where they see their teams go out to dodgy refereeing descisions, mainly caused by the actions of cynical opponents.

Whats the difference between cheating by diving to obtain a winning penalty in the World Cup, or an athlete cheating by taking drugs to win an Olympic gold.

In fact, the financial implications of advancing in the World Cup probably vastly outweigh an Olympic Gold.

So how about a similar penalty. How about introducing a 2 year ban for diving offenders (provable by television replay). That'd stop it pretty quick.

 

[nocoat]

I wish I was a ref so I would book all those ***** who hold up an imaginary card to the ref trying to get fellow players booked..

Never seen so much cheating and it ruins the game...

Glad the English lads don't do it half as much, although they have been known to look for a pen. they know they would get ripped apart by the British press if they fell over grabbing their face after getting a nudge in the back

 

[I Predict A Riot]

I wish I was a ref so I would book all those ***** who hold up an imaginary card to the ref trying to get fellow players booked..

One referee did exactly this early on in the group stages. I haven't seen it since though... :mad2:

 

[Bee Damned]

I think it would take someone with knowledge of the game to bring in new laws to stamp this out...........that rules out FIFA, UEFA & the FA then.

 

[jonny c]

Good post porgey. I dont understand why it cant be punished retrospectively, as it is cheating. IMO it should be a straight red, dished out in the game if the ref is sure and if not, then using video evidence. Not sure about 2 years, three match ban and then more for reoffenders.

 

[Edmundo]

Which teams have actually been knocked out by poor refereeing decisons, though? As opposed to decisions that the lemming-like media like to portray as bad decisions, that is? For example, Lucas Neill did foul Grosso of Italy and the referee made the completely correct decision to award a penalty. Likewise, Thierry Henry was fouled, despite his pretence to have been elbowed in the face, and the referee correctly awarded a free kick and yellow card.

A lot of fuss has been made of Ivanov, the Russian ref who took charge of the Portugal v Holland cheatfest. I don't think he had a particularly good game, but equally, I don't think any of his decisions to award yellow cards was wrong, with the possible exception of the first yellow to Deco, which arguably should have been red.

The media loves nothing better than a hysteria over refs and I don't think we should ignore the evidence of our own eyes and fall for it. I'm not saying refs don't make mistakes, but that doesn't mean that we should believe the competition is a farce.

 

[Mr Tree]

the players have to take a long, hard look at themselves

 

[homelessbee]

I think talk of 2 yr bans etc. for diving is a bit strong.

A 3 game ban retrospectively applied will I'm sure stop all this "sniper in the stands" nonsense pretty quickly.

 

[I Predict A Riot]

A World Cup record of 25 players have been sent off. :moo:

 

[Ronan]

I think talk of 2 yr bans etc. for diving is a bit strong.

A 3 game ban retrospectively applied will I'm sure stop all this "sniper in the stands" nonsense pretty quickly.

Obviously the more blatent it is, the harder the punishment :yes: Viera's one against Liverpool a while ago was so shocking, warranted a lifetime ban If that was in issue then I think nobody would do it half as much... But it is a bit strong I'll say a 3 month ban for a clear-cut dive

 

[Porgey]

I think talk of 2 yr bans etc. for diving is a bit strong.

A 3 game ban retrospectively applied will I'm sure stop all this "sniper in the stands" nonsense pretty quickly.

Regarding the length of bans, 2 years for first offenders is obviously harsh. But I don't particularly see the difference between a footballer taking a dive to win a penalty, and a rider injecting some EPO because he needs to ride a good Tour de France so that he can stay with his team captain for as long as possible on the most difficult stages.

The main difference is that, now we have so many TV cameras etc, that cheaters in football are far easier to catch. Therefore, more frequent but less severe bans might be the way forward.

 

[Idaho Bee]

Which teams have actually been knocked out by poor refereeing decisons, though?

Tunisia, USA, Australia to name the first ones that come to mind. There are others but I can't be bothered to troll back through them all.

I'd estmate 25% of these World Cup games have been significantly affected by wrong referring decisions. i.e. Penalty kicks, Sendings off etc.

 

[hanworthbee]

Name and shame them I say, so FIFA comes out and says Robben for example was a disgrace etc etc but retrospective yellow cards are a must imho.

 

[Mr Tree]

silly me, it wasn't Australia's inability to score in 93minutes of play that was the problem, but the split second where their right back made an insanely stupid tackle

Shevchenko's was a penalty, you're looking at the wrong replays if you think it wasn't

and USA were the worst team in that group - lucky they have some refereeing decisions to fall back on or they might have to face up to being not very good, eh?

why don't you just go Italian on us and blame it on a conspiracy sh*t happens, move on...

 

[hanworthbee]

its the rediculous ones all over the pitch that the **** in black falls for every game that get the other player booked that ****es me off.

 

[Idaho Bee]

silly me, it wasn't Australia's inability to score in 93minutes of play that was the problem, but the split second where their right back made an insanely stupid tackle

Shevchenko's was a penalty, you're looking at the wrong replays if you think it wasn't

You seem to forget that Italy failed to score in 93 minutes too until they were awarded a very dubious penalty and a pass through to the next round.

This game should have been decided by the players on the pitch, i.e. extra time and penalty shoot out if necessary, not by the referee.

And no, that was not a penalty in a million years, it was a well timed dive.

 

[Edmundo]

Tunisia, USA, Australia to name the first ones that come to mind. There are others but I can't be bothered to troll back through them all.

Can't agree. Tunisia and USA just weren't good enough. And Australia were knocked out when the referee correctly awarded Italy a penalty for an unintentional foul by Lucas Neill.

Agree about the Shevchenko dive, but not convinced it fundamentally changed very much.

 

[Mr Tree]

he was kicked twice :mad2: he fell over afterwards but only when he realised he couldn't get to the ball! this is one of the problems - players HAVE to fall over or the dumb-arse refs won't give a foul!!