England get thrashed

[jmcp]

Unless i missed it somewhere else. no one has mentioned England recorded there worst defeat in 25 years tnight. I guess no one cares. Is anyone bothered cos i found it quite funny.

 

[RT]

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I didn't even look up the score till i came online just now. Serves us right, put James in goal and it all goes wrong.

People may say friendlies are pointless, but this defeat may be the best thing for us. Now we know we have to play better vs Wales, and hopefully they'll play out of their skins and whoop them. I hope.

 

[West Ealing Bee]

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I was trying not to mention it.

England in the second half were a disgrace, certain people need to look at themselves and Eriksson needs to seriously consider whether James and Johnson in particular are international players.

Rooney did ok and you could acertain a few other things.

Firstly Rio Ferdinand may not be good enough to be first choice for England, Terry has to be one of the first names on the team sheet now.
We have absolutely no cover for Gary Neville.
Chris Kirkland needs to stay fit, if David James is the 2nd best gk in this country we are going to win nothing.
Owen needs to move and play regularly, he looked like he lacked motivation and IMHO knowing he won't play much this season isn't helping.

It is only a friendly and nothing to get suicidal about but this was our first team, it's not good.

 

[jmcp]

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Who would be your other Centre Back West Ealing Bee, reckon its a case of hope Sol Campbell comes back as good a player as before?

 

[Banana]

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Is David James in goal for the Wales game? I hope so :bound:

 

[Snappy]

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I know it's only a friendly, but yet again Erikson has got it all wrong IMO.

First half, fine. Sensible team selection starting with Defoe rather than Owen, kept the pressure on Denmark, pushed them back, passed the ball around reasonably well and looked fairly threatening.

Second half, disaster. 6 substitutions (would certainly have been 11 if he'd been allowed) causing disarray and confusion throughout the team, any cohesion we had was lost, passing was very poor and defensively we were a complete shambles. Once again, another complete waste of a match, nothing learned and the priveledge of playing for England devalued yet further.

David James is a complete liability (as if we didn't already know!). He should be nowhere near the next squad. Pick any three from Robinson, Kirkland, Green, Smith, Carson or Martyn and keep James well away.

Ashley Cole, Jermain Defoe, Jamie Carragher and Michael Owen all had poor games.

This England team has more potential than any other in my lifetime, but right now I can't help but feel that yet again come the summer of 2006 I am going to be left feeling empty and frustrated after we crash out at the quarter final stage again. Play like we did in the 2nd half again and we won't even make it to Germany!

 

[RT]

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Carragher should be given a chance for 90 mins with Terry imo, didn't have a bad season with Liverpool did he?

 

[Snappy]

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Carragher should be given a chance for 90 mins with Terry imo, didn't have a bad season with Liverpool did he?

I was very impressed with Carragher last season, he was immense at times, he and Stevie Gerrard almost ran the Liverpool side themselves.

Admittedly (thank god!) I only watched the highlights tonight, but he seemed to be well out of position a lot and quite off the pace.

Maybe someone who watched the full game could shed more light on it?

He'll never get 90 mins though because Erikson only gives non-first choice players 45 mins max to prove themselves, usually when we've already started going off the rails, in a dodgy formation or in the wrong position.

 

[Nada Bee]

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who really gives a monkeys?

the real game is at cardiff in two weeks, if we lose 4-1 then, we will definatly have something to talk about.

 

[Snappy]

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who really gives a monkeys?

This is part of the problem IMO.

I know it's only a friendly and nowhere near as important as qualifiers or tournaments, but playing for England in any sort of game used to mean something. Not any more it seems

There should be pride and passion in representing our country, and hunger and desire to win in any game, friendly or not, and I just don't feel it's there to the extent it used to be.

Blame the Premiershite, blame the FA, blame Sven, but something needs to be done if we're going to fulfil the massive potential of this England squad.

 

[Nada Bee]

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Brazil dont win World Cups by beating Argentina in a friendly 15-0. thats the point, it dont matter.

 

[Edmundo]

Can't blame Eriksson for the shameful attitude of the players - James must never be allowed to play for England again.

 

[Snappy]

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Brazil dont win World Cups by beating Argentina in a friendly 15-0. thats the point, it dont matter.

They should matter though.

Friendlies are the perfect opportunity to gel a group of individuals who only play as a team for around 10-15 games a season together into a successful team and instill a winning mentality to go into the competitive games, whilst also filling the players with the pride of playing for their country.

What's the point in playing friendlies at all if all that's going to happen is you're going to make substitution after substitution, thus confusing the team, losing the game and damaging the confidence in the group, which will ultimately affect the competitive results?

 

[Banana]

James must never be allowed to play for England again.

One more game won't hurt

 

[Snappy]

Can't blame Eriksson for the shameful attitude of the players

I think you can, at least in part.

 

[Edmundo]

One more game won't hurt

Don't worry, we'll beat the Taffies!

 

[The Walrus]

One more game won't hurt

no your right, we could probably beat the welsh with our eyes closed


:dj:

 

[Nada Bee]

dont know about James, but did you see Coles lax attitude towards everything?

at least James holds his hands up and admits he is sh*te. rather than Cole who just didnt try for the whole match, and should of been sent off for that two footed lunge!

 

[South Acton Bee]

That second half was unreal. England winning the world cup is like Brentford winning the Champions League ............................

david james,glen johnson and that swede :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:


And i've got to go to work with 8 danes oh the pain

 

[West Ealing Bee]

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Who would be your other Centre Back West Ealing Bee, reckon its a case of hope Sol Campbell comes back as good a player as before?

IMHO Terry is England's first choice CB.

If I was Eriksson I would seriously consider if Ferdinand should play alongside him.

He might be England's second best, but one thing is for sure whoever told him he's the best defender in the world needs their head read.

I could certainly see the logic in picking Campbell and or Carragher and seeing which gives you the most stability and security. Ferdinand needs bringing down a peg or two.

 

[Leonardo]

I'm sure 1/2 the problems the 2nd half were the defenders don't have any faith in David James and he certainly didn't disappoint!
I now understand why Kirkland left Liverpool as he has a real chance of making the squad.
I think we really missed SWP. Also still not convinced a midfield of Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard and J Cole is balanced enough, and that only 1 of Lampard and Gerrard should play .

 

[Mark H]

Can't blame Eriksson for the shameful attitude of the players - James must never be allowed to play for England again.

Sorry Ed I totally disagree with the first statement. It is entirely his fault. Certain members of the team believe they are untouchable. He has often said he won't drop Beckham. Ferdinard is the most overated player in this country and yet he is first choice.

Whilst Sven is in charge I am more likely to get into Cameron Diaz knickers than England win a world cup.

I do agree about James though.

 

[Jimbee]

Having listened to his interview, I don't think James actually wants to play for England any more anyway.

 

[Brickie Chap]

Can't blame Eriksson for the shameful attitude of the players - James must never be allowed to play for England again.

Wrong, he is the manager/coach. Bucks stops with him.

We wont get into the WC Semi's with him in charge but have a side capable of winning the bloody thing

 

[Mark H]

and that only 1 of Lampard and Gerrard should play .

This is so true. Gerrard has scored so many this year for Liverpool becuase he is allowed to have a free role. Part of the condition of staying I suspect. With Lampard there he has to do more defensive work which he isn't very good at.

It is no suprise that when Hamman came on in the champions league that Liverpool bounced back.

Sven cannot see this and is one of about ten reasons why he should go.

 

[Brickie Chap]

Having listened to his interview, I don't think James actually wants to play for England any more anyway.

He blamed the fans for having a go rofl


He is lucky someone didnt run on the pitch and belt him :dj:

 

[Les Beeavinu]

It sickens me that David James gets chance after chance. When is Paul Smith goig to ask for a move to a decent club so that he can at least show his worth week in week out in the Premiership? Perhaps he could go to Manchester City as first choice keeper?

 

[West Ealing Bee]

This is so true. Gerrard has scored so many this year for Liverpool becuase he is allowed to have a free role. Part of the condition of staying I suspect. With Lampard there he has to do more defensive work which he isn't very good at.

It is no suprise that when Hamman came on in the champions league that Liverpool bounced back.

Sven cannot see this and is one of about ten reasons why he should go.

Completely agree.

After his performances is the USA Carrick should have been given a go, or should be in the build up to the finals.

You either keep 4-4-2 and drop Lampard (IMHO) or drop Cole and play Carrick behind the other 3, almost going back to the diamond.

I would like to see WP or Downing given a go on the left, we desperately need balance.

 

[Bangor Bee]

Through his huge number of substitutions in friendlies, Sven has treated the games as if they're basically meaningless except as an opportunity to try out a few ideas. I therefore think it's not surprising that players have now got that message. That came across last night, and Sven should look at his own attitude to the games first and foremost.

 

[SmiffyBee]

Can't blame Eriksson for the shameful attitude of the players - James must never be allowed to play for England again.

As previously mentioned, it is Eriksson's team, he has to take the responsibility of the players performance, the same as he would take the glory from the forthcoming world cup triumph.

From this game, and form in 2005, I gained this knowledge;

Goalkeeper-Robinson-ok, but James-not ok
Defence-Ashley Cole still poor, Neville good enough, Carragher and Terry to be no 1 partnership, Campbell strictly 5th or 6th choice
Midfield-Gerrard to take centre stage, the rest to be fitted around him (ie Beckham, Wright Phillips, Lampard, etc)
Forwards-Rooney, our best hope now, but still doubts over who is best to partner him (owen or defoe) there is no other candidate

Sven must learn to have confidence in another system.....4-4-2 is so predictable....when things go tits up, he cant seem to change it, i always believed he was flexible, from newspaper reports anyway

 

[davido_i]

The only thing I will say about the subs is that Sven probably had his hands tied by club managers insisting they would only release players if they only played 45 minutes

But that's all I will say in his defense. The irony is that we went looking for a foreign coach with tactical flexibility & awareness (I assume that was the rough plan), yet we have managed to chose a bloke who is the most rigid believer in two banks of four you will ever meet.

He will always organise the players around the 4-4-2 system & not the other way round. So we don't build around the qualities of both Lampard & Gerrard.

And for what it's worth I just don't think Sven football will ever have enough freedom of thought or movement to be able to defeat the really top sides.

 

[Edmundo]

Can't blame Eriksson for the shameful attitude of the players

OK, I didn't phrase this very well. The players must take full personal responsibility for their sh*te attitude and not try and palm it off on a manager who doesn't appear to take these games seriously. And the manager can take some additional blame!

 

[BeeSinceBirth]

England Denmark...

on Monday i thought id seen the worst performance from a team i supported...then came the England game...was i the only one who felt some of our players just didnt give a sh*t?

 

[Matty D]

The irony is that we went looking for a foreign coach with tactical flexibility & awareness (I assume that was the rough plan), yet we have managed to chose a bloke who is the most rigid believer in two banks of four you will ever meet.

And for what it's worth I just don't think Sven football will ever have enough freedom of thought or movement to be able to defeat the really top sides.

Nail on head.

Sven said afterwards "the attitude was wrong, the tactics were wrong". Boy, whoever's responsible for the tactics had better hope Sven doesn't catch up with them. lol

James hasn't got the temperament for international football, everyone except Sven knew that already, and it may even be dawning on him now. He'll still be on the bench at the World Cup though, because Kirkland, Green, Smith etc. aren't old enough.*

*Kirkland is a full 19 months younger than Robinson, Green 3 months younger, Smith 2 months younger. All of them are older than Iker Casillas, who's been Spain keeper for years.

 

[hanworthbee]

in the 2nd half we were awful, crap goalkeeping even i could have done better, Johnsons not premier league class let alone international (Glenn not Andy) and the rest of the defence just didnt care, 1st half we were ok 2nd pants.

Sven needs to sort out the middle of the park and stop playing with 4 centre mids

 

[Snappy]

The only thing I will say about the subs is that Sven probably had his hands tied by club managers insisting they would only release players if they only played 45 minutes

These are professional football players at the beginning of a season for ****'s sake.

Why can't they play Saturday/Wednesday/Saturday now and then? I guarantee you that if it was a midweek Premiershite game, the respective managers would NOT be saying "Oh no, I could only play so and so for 45 mins today because he would have got a bit tired and that's why we got battered and embarrassed 4-1 against an average side."

Sven and the FA need to grow some balls and tell the clubs where to go, but of course they won't. They've also devalued playing for England to the extent that the some of the players wouldn't bat an eyelid if their clubs withdrew them from the England squad, leaving us with a group of de-motivated primadonnas who know they're only going to play a small part in the game.

Don't get me wrong, I know not all of the players are like that, but it seems a growing proportion just don't give a ****.

 

[Simon T]

I have to admit that the interview with David James was the strangest announcement of retirement from international football I've ever heard. Just about the only thing he forgot to do was say f*** you to the 4,500 England fans who spent good money going to a game he thought was irrelevant and not worth preparing for.

 

[Mr Tree]

wow, some good comments on here (was a bit worried there'd be a lot of hysteria - i've been deliberately avoiding the press, hope they're not overreacting but i'm sure they probably are )

the point about Lampard and Gerrard is a great one - it would seem immensely harsh on the lad who didn't play because they've both been superb in the past 2 years, but they can't play together, purely because it limits both of their games having to cover for the other

i agree with Atto Bee too when he says that friendlies are the time to be sorting it all out and getting it right - unfortunately, as others have said, Sven makes a mockery of them and now, it seems, so do the players

that said, no panic here - we'll do well to win the world cup with that idiot in charge but we have such a talented bunch that we still stand a good chance. first half we looked quite good, and i remember remarking to a danish friend that we were clearly a class above and that denmark must love the prestige of playing us...

:homer:

watching it in the 3 Kings in Kensington with 100-odd danes and about 10 english was... "amusing" it was great fun actually, the danes are great for banter and GREAT for women :brow:

 

[Mr Tree]

before anyone points it out, my half-english side is saying "we this..." and "we that..." - my half-irish side is still over clinton o'morrison's late disallowed goal. but it seemed a fairly encouraging performance from the irish, from the clips i saw... we'll have them froggies, no probs

 

[mattfarr89]

dont know about James, but did you see Coles lax attitude towards everything?

at least James holds his hands up and admits he is sh*te. rather than Cole who just didnt try for the whole match, and should of been sent off for that two footed lunge!

which cole?

 

[Mr Tree]

cheers matty, forgot to pull Nada Bee up on that - if he means Ashley, it was he who tried to save the 1st after James went for a wee stroll, and i thought the tackles were great - i was amazed he was booked

 

[Mark H]

Sven and the FA need to grow some balls and tell the clubs where to go, but of course they won't.

Atto I totally agree, but what chance have the FA got when Alan Smith would rather play for Man U reserves than be picked for England.

 

[Jimbee]

Alan Smith shouldn't be playing for England or Man Utd.

 

[Mark H]

Alan Smith shouldn't be playing for England or Man Utd.

Not my point. Whilst I agree with you

What sort of climate has been created in the England camp when a player wants to play reserve team football instead of try and force his way into the team.

 

[Claire]

im so glad i didnt watch this game now, and went bowling instead which i won!! started off slow and the made a great come back just like the bees would.

isnt about time sven thought about getting smithy into the england squad after james's preformances last night? even nelson could have done better!

 

[saffrey]

aside from ignoring international friendlies due to their modern meaningless, Sven hasn't done THAT bad for England. He does generally tend to get it right for the qualifiers.

I didn't see the game, so can't defend or attack individual players or the team's attitude, but for me Stuart Pearce sums it up by saying how he always gave 100% for England even in friendlies because of the honour of representing one's country. It's clear the Pearce is of the old school and the younger oiks who currently are in and around the England squad are well-and-truly Premiership-brainwashed types for whom England is just a little party during the season now and then in order to meet up with a different set of brainless millionaires with whom they can roast women.

Very cynical this morning (!?).

 

[Jimbee]

Not my point. Whilst I agree with you

What sort of climate has been created in the England camp when a player wants to play reserve team football instead of try and force his way into the team.

I think that's symptomatic of the Premiership having so many foreign players that squad players who don't get a lot of football are still selected for England squads. As much as I dislike Smith and don't rate him, in this instance I don't really blame him as he may not have even got on the pitch last night.

 

[rebus]

I think that's symptomatic of the Premiership having so many foreign players that squad players who don't get a lot of football are still selected for England squads. As much as I dislike Smith and don't rate him, in this instance I don't really blame him as he may not have even got on the pitch last night.

It's true, Johnson playing last night was a joke, never mind the others who can't hold down a regular place. All friendlies should be classed as B Internationals and no caps given out, it's insulting to have these games on the record books, win or lose.

 

[Mr Tree]

Very cynical this morning (!?).

it's the afternoon - bloody students

the Alan Smith saga was very understandable, and wouldn't even be a story had the Chairman of the FA not butted his big ugly head in - brilliant, another inspirational leader there

he's not properly fit so was advised 90minutes would be better for him than a trip to denmark to sit around doing not much.

 

[beezy babe]

Can't blame Eriksson for the shameful attitude of the players - James must never be allowed to play for England again.

You can blame Eriksson for playing him though :shrug:

Just back from Copenhagen - total embarassment. If we play like that in Cardiff then I will really be wishing that I was at Notts Forest!!

Mildly amusing to bump into an ex-GPGer (think Bond villain) who had been deserted by all his mates though