FA to Back Safe Standing

[Banana]

Report in The Times tomorrow that the FA are backing safe standing in all areas stadiums

 

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The FA has come out in favour of clubs being allowed to have safe-standing areas in what campaigners regard as a significant move towards a change in the law on all-seater stadiums. It is preparing to tell a government review that it supports clubs being able to choose to have standing areas for fans if the inquiry finds that they can do so safely.

The move means that the sport will present a united front to the review, which is due to start next month. The Premier League and the EFL have previously said that clubs should be able to choose to implement safe standing.

A spokeswoman told The Times: “The FA supported the announcement from sports minister Tracey Crouch in June to conduct an ‘external analysis of evidence in relation to the all-seater policy’ and supports clubs and leagues in having the option to choose whether they wish to provide standing options for supporters should there be clear evidence that satisfies the authorities over safety and security.”

The FA’s position has come as news to the department for digital, culture, media and sport, which is commissioning the review. Insiders say that a report should be completed by Christmas.

Jon Darch, of the Safe Standing Roadshow, said that the announcement was a significant boost. “To have a united front from all the main players in football is something that the government has been asking for, for a long time,” he said. “The fact we now have that is extremely welcome and we would hope we can now look forward to the positive outcome to the review we all want, which is clubs having the freedom of choice.”

Campaigners have argued that it is more dangerous to have fans standing behind seats than in designated safe-standing areas with barriers between each row. There have been incidents in seated areas this season that have raised safety concerns, such as an Everton fan who dislocated his elbow at Wolverhampton Wanderers when a fellow supporter fell over him while celebrating a goal.

Darch believes that the review will find more examples of such injuries in areas designated for seating than at the safe-standing trial that took place at Celtic over the past two seasons, or where it is used in Germany.

In June Richard Scudamore, the Premier League’s outgoing executive chairman, announced that the 20 chairmen were in favour of allowing its clubs a “local choice” over whether to introduce safe standing.

The Premier League’s research found that 70 per cent of supporters would like to have the choice of standing at their club’s matches. Tottenham Hotspur’s new stadium is being built with “safe seating” for 7,500 fans, which can be converted to safe standing in an hour. France is holding trials of safe standing at several clubs’ stadiums this season, including Lens.

The law on all-seater stadiums was brought in after the 1989 Hillsborough disaster. Margaret Aspinall, of the Hillsborough Family Support Group, said that most families still opposed a change to the law.

 

[PhilE]

Good news.

Maybe the change of date for moving to our new home will give the club an extra 6 months before it needs a decision....maybe around next summer.

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Question and im sure its been answered............ Would safe standing increase the capacity of LR?

 

[Houghton Bee]

Question and im sure its been answered............ Would safe standing increase the capacity of LR?

I would say it's incredibly unlikely, in the short term, that they would allow anything other than a 1:1 ratio of standing to seats. Maybe over time it'll rise if there are no incidents directly attributed to standing.

 

[hobbsy]

Lionel Road cannot accommodate more than 1:1 even if the law permits

 

[Griffingreen]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45341192

 

[spirebee]

Would be great in the new East stand home section.

 

[PhilE]

Would be great in the new East stand home section.

Intended for the West Stand

 

[readingbee]

Question and im sure its been answered............ Would safe standing increase the capacity of LR?

If my grey cell serves me right. From posts in the past I think it is about a 1500 - 2500 increase. I’m sure there’s someone here that will give the correct number.

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

If my grey cell serves me right. From posts in the past I think it is about a 1500 - 2500 increase. I’m sure there’s someone here that will give the correct number.

I thought it would as well. But Hobbsy above has said 1:1

 

[Les Beeavinu]

As there is no existing regulation on Safe Standing, how do we know that the ratio at LR can only be 1:1?

 

[readingbee]

I thought it would as well. But Hobbsy above has said 1:1

If it’s 1-1 there’s no point. I read recently that’s it’s more expensive to install. I guess it’s only profitable over a longer period of time if it’s 1- 1.5/ 1.75.

 

[PhilE]

If it’s 1-1 there’s no point.

Atmosphere. Driving the team on. Giving the fans what they want. No point?

Any initial experiment is almost certainly going to be 1:1. Maybe in the future a higher ratio will be allowed but....capacity is also limited by the size of the exits and I believe the exits at LR have been sized based on the current expected capacity.

The biggest issue may be that fans expect standing to be cheaper than seating.

 

[Banana]

As there is no existing regulation on Safe Standing, how do we know that the ratio at LR can only be 1:1?

Because you still have to get them out of the stadium etc. The new stadium is designed for a specific number of people....

 

[readingbee]

Atmosphere. Driving the team on. Giving the fans what they want. No point?

Any initial experiment is almost certainly going to be 1:1. Maybe in the future a higher ratio will be allowed but....capacity is also limited by the size of the exits and I believe the exits at LR have been sized based on the current expected capacity.

The biggest issue may be that fans expect standing to be cheaper than seating.

I was looking at a financial point of view, if you read my post again I hope I made that very clear, maybe I haven’t. As I understand the cost is £20/30 per seat. Re the atmosphere, I get that 100%, but every Premiership game I’ve seen the fans are standing in their many thousands behind the goals anyway, so for the small number of seats involved would it really make that much of a difference to the atmosphere. However If 1500 + fans can stand and enjoy the game if that’s what they want to do, fantastic.

 

[hobbsy]

As there is no existing regulation on Safe Standing, how do we know that the ratio at LR can only be 1:1?

Because increased capacity means the need for larger concourses and more exits. We will be at capacity from day one. That is council regs for our safety certificate.

I doubt safety regs would be relaxed in any way if Safe Standing is introduced.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Because you still have to get them out of the stadium etc. The new stadium is designed for a specific number of people....

Because increased capacity means the need for larger concourses and more exits. We will be at capacity from day one. That is council regs for our safety certificate.

I doubt safety regs would be relaxed in any way if Safe Standing is introduced.

Thanks.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

Slight deviation on this thread title, but Fulham Supporters Trust introduced a ‘non standing area’ in the front few rows for their game at Stamford Bridge on Sunday. Sounds exactly what we need for sell out away games for those who can’t/don’t wish to stand.

 

[nocoat]

Great idea. Perhaps beyond the wit of our ticket software

 

[GP200]

Slight deviation on this thread title, but Fulham Supporters Trust introduced a ‘non standing area’ in the front few rows for their game at Stamford Bridge on Sunday. Sounds exactly what we need for sell out away games for those who can’t/don’t wish to stand.

............was it non singing too???...............

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

Slight deviation on this thread title, but Fulham Supporters Trust introduced a ‘non standing area’ in the front few rows for their game at Stamford Bridge on Sunday. Sounds exactly what we need for sell out away games for those who can’t/don’t wish to stand.

knowing some of our 'fans' , theyd still start moaning about others standing up behind em lol

 

[Delbee]

Just seen a tweet re Wycombe Wanders sitting/ standing not the best link but it looks really good


We were invited to try the new seats at WWFC v Barnsley FC this afternoon. A clever design, enabling you to either stand or sit. Gives you a great view regards of your height and those in front of you. Should be rolled-out further. #wwfcofficial #barnsleyfc #StadiaSeating
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[wanderer paul]

Better link and with the pictures.

 

[Delbee]

Better link and with the pictures.

Thanks, but it does look good

 

[nocoat]

All a bit pointless for me. Fun of standing is so you can easily talk to some of your friends in different parts of terrace, move away from the whingers or those with BO. Easily get out for a beer or wee wee and go mental when we score. None of that looks possible with this design

 

[spirebee]

All a bit pointless for me. Fun of standing is so you can easily talk to some of your friends in different parts of terrace, move away from the whingers or those with BO. Easily get out for a beer or wee wee and go mental when we score. None of that looks possible with this design

Yes, but the good news is: you can p*ss where you stand, like to good old days!

 

[nocoat]

Yes, but the good news is: you can p*ss where you stand, like to good old days!

IN!

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

All a bit pointless for me. Fun of standing is so you can easily talk to some of your friends in different parts of terrace, move away from the whingers or those with BO. Easily get out for a beer or wee wee and go mental when we score. None of that looks possible with this design

Agree. Nothing beats a last minute equaliser or winner and ending up 5-10 steps down and 5-10m away from where you were standing.

 

[AB]

Agree. Nothing beats a last minute equaliser or winner and ending up 5-10 steps down and 5-10m away from where you were standing.

When I first started watching the Bees I used to be a regular gig goer. The bundle down to the front of New Road when we scored was like being in the mosh pit at Brixton Academy. It was one of the things that made me choose to follow the Bees.

But this discussion might be a bit academic. No problem having standing in League 1...

 

[nanny58]

No coat I bet you miss pissing in your programmewhilst standing hull bee will have a fit wash your hands

 

[FJBee]

Government reportedly going to lift the ban, f***ing great news.

Government plans to lift football standing ban

Some clubs will trial designated safe standing areas before the end of the season, the BBC understands.

www.bbc.co.uk