Faking It

[scudnut]

How about us not putting the result on here, there may be some recording the programme while they are at the match?

 

[Wee Dave]

The irony of that being shown at precisely the same time as we almost slip into the bottom 4 is painful.

Downes came across as an oaf who can only 'motivate' by bellowing obscenities. Which we knew anyway.

If we go down by 1 point because that **** spent his summer moonlighting on the telly, there will be no wrath like mine.

 

[Will Bee]

Perhaps Downes could take his TV career further?

BBC Series...'How to take your team into the bottom four in 16 easy steps'

Real time drama with Keifer Sutherland: 24 (games without a win)

What the f*ck was he thinking? I've seen a couple of other Faking It episodes and they always fool one of the judges, not Downes though! Nope, he failed completely, why does that sound familiar?

Paul Hart at Notts Forest, who had a lot of respect, got sacked after 17/18 games without a win. Grimsby sacked their manager recently and have since won three in a row (including a 6-1 win on Saturday)

And our board haven't even made a statement about the situation?

What are they thinking?

 

[Guildford Bee]

The programme did nothing other than turn us into even more of a laughing stock.

 

[GP200]

Wally--"Ive never met a thick football manager"--mmmmmmm.............

 

[davebee]

my flatmate took one look and Wally and said "oooh what's David Brent doing on here?"

If he thinks that "managing" is shoutinga abuse at the players and stating the obvious then he is in the right job.

Football isn't about shouting abuse at a bunch of kids though it is about nurturing talent. The only talent that Wally can produce is the turds that come out of his arse and (most probably) his mouth.

I propose we sack him and replace him with a turd.

 

[The Joker]

Wally predicted that all 3 judges would spot the fake - must be the first thing he's got right all season. :sad:

 

[Rod Gowers]

Things I noticed;---

a) Wally first one out to the bar at the end (now there's a surprise).
b) Hutch first one in there pulling the managers shorts down (explains a lot, too)
c) Another chance to see an excellent goal by Mark Peters in the pre-season friendlies(sigh!)

 

[The H]

where was Lloyd Blackman's 30 yarder



i did think 'who's that loser walking along the touchline' when the Reading game happened

 

[West Wilts Bee]

Faking it.

Rod, if this tells me anything. I dont think he gives two sh*ts.

 

[Stanley]

We couldn't even win faking it..........clearly it was an omen for the coming season.

 

[JonnieGee]

Spotted Bish (aka Ace the Face) shaking Wally's hand before the Reading game - he won't live that down

 

[Wee Dave]

he won't live that down

he's probably the only person on here who wouldn't want to

 

[Banana]

A couple of quote from Faking It

Did you find it hard learning to read the game?
Wally always said 'wrong but strong'. It doesn't matter what you are saying, as long as you are shouting

Did the team wind you up sometimes?
Brentford were a young side. They were very excited when they went on tour. It is a jaunt for them. They really got me riled. I had to learn not to take it personally but by that time they had already seen they could get a reaction out of me, so it was too late.

 

[Downbeat Bee]

Few observations:

Wally doesn't give a lot of encouragement does he?

Not very self aware - I'm sure he thought he was looking good

Does Thompson do anything ever?

Ended in failure - ominous

All the blame was on the 'player' not the 'manager'

Mark Peters - I think we can see why a manager would not get on with him

Did it affect our dire start to the season? (If it did in any way that makes me angry)

Not the greatest PR for Brentford in the world

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

Only saw the second half of it, so I may have missed something constructive from Wallyrofl

But on the bit I saw the only things Wally had that the fake didn't were a louder voice and a better command of obscenities

And while I can understand the kids in the squad having a laugh on tour, to see a man of Stannard's age playing juvenile practical jokes was quite embarrassing.

And to have Wally being portrayed as the 'expert' on the night that we slipped to the brink of the relegation zone (only out of it on goals scored) was rather ironic

 

[Les Beeavinu]

When Leo Roget was pissed off earlier in the season, I remember him saying "There were certain things happened in pre-season that I wasn't happy with" (or something like that). Surely he's not implying that the making of this programme and the fact that we didn't win for 6 games were related.

Or was he unhappy that the manager had a holiday two weeks before the start of the season (allegedly).

 

[Nada Bee]

Few observations:

Wally doesn't give a lot of encouragement does he?

Not very self aware - I'm sure he thought he was looking good

Does Thompson do anything ever?

Ended in failure - ominous

All the blame was on the 'player' not the 'manager'

Mark Peters - I think we can see why a manager would not get on with him

Did it affect our dire start to the season? (If it did in any way that makes me angry)

Not the greatest PR for Brentford in the world

have to agree, wally seemed like a right royal *****.

 

[Brickie Chap]

The wife reckons we have some fit looking players and now wants to attend some matches, so another thing to be pi$$ed off with Wally about, MY SATURDAYS MIGHT BE RUINED:mad2:

 

[Nada Bee]

After watching it...

Wally doesn't know how to handle people, he's just interested in himself....

does not give ANY motivation, its just like "thats not good enough".... none of the "come on lads, thats not bad, keep trying"

That will, especially to a bunch of kids, my age.... affect them eventully.

I didnt once see any one of the team talking to Wally... that says something surely?

 

[Deleted member 2202]

Agreed, Nada, my thoughts exactly. Wally, it appears, is not a fan of encouragement, and believes that shouting at the players and calling them every name under the sun will make them better. There's nothing wrong with a bit of that, but you need to reward the good things they do as well.

Wally didn't come across well at all in my opinion. You wouldn't see Steve Coppell using words like that

 

[Rod Gowers]

A good man manager would work out what gets a player motivated, and use this to get the best out of him.

If you keep shouting and ranting at your players sooner or later they will switch off and stop listening . With no proper encouragement, and Downes 4- letter diatribes every 5 minutes, it is not surprising the players are demotivated and don't care. I know I wouldn't be motivated by Downes.

Thought this programme showed clearly what a small-minded, small statured, bumptious little man Downes is, and consequently why the team play with so little team spirit.

 

[timmy_boy5]

The Stannard practical joke was appualing,
did anyone else here the 'Tabby shut the F**K up bit at the start.
IMHO the non-leuge manager could do a better job than wally, not that thats hard, it just made Downes look like even more of a tw*t, oh well

 

[Simon C]

Jeez lighten up guys. The whole point was to show this guy how to fake it as a football coach not teach him how to be one. Hence all the shouting, bluffing, etc. I didn't think Wally came across that badly especially as he had that prat to teach.

 

[wibs]

You are all being ridiculous.

Personally I found it fascinating. I thought Downes came across very well, I thought he spoke very well, he clearly has the command of the team and is not to be messed with. He came across intelligently as far as I was concerned.

Also when you slate him for going shopping in the West End and drinking champagne, well it was so obviously for TV, it was probably a couple of hours in an afernoon, So what? Is he not allowed any free time of his own? THe man can not do the same job 24 hours a day otherwise he'd become stale.

He clearly doesnt suffer fools gladly, and as for everyone criticising for his language and 'bully boy' tactics do you not think that Strachan/Allardyce/Souness use similar methods.

Also it is clear that he did have a compaasionate side when he was talking to the faking it guy in the canteen and understood he'd had a bad day and that it was fair enough but that he needed to move on.

It was a TV programme so they leave out an awful lot of footage. Remember he lived with Downes for a fortnight/month. How much footage of that did we see.

If you think you can judge Downes after an hour of heavily editied TV then you are more astute than me. People say Brentford didnt come out of it well, but I think we did, also we are always saying we need to raise our profile, well credit for BFC for doing this.

Having said all that I didn't agree with a lot of his tactics this season, I think Stannard looked ridiculous, and I also felt sorry for the guy when Wally had a go at him at half time and didnt give him any credit for improving in the second half. Possibly once he has made his mind up, he finds it hard to 'let you back in' and this could alienate some of the players.

My point is that I find it amazing in life that people always manage to see everything in black and white, and I believe if it was say the Grimbsby or Stockport manager that we were watching there would not have been such a negative reaction. Unfortunately Downes has lost the fans so people are looking to criticise. No wonder some of the players were in tears in the changing room on saturday.

 

[Wee Dave]

Downes has lost the fans

Quite.

Reading between the lines it's people's frustration with Downes that's the problem, not the documentary. Frankly whenever I see his stupid face I get cross, but that's just me.

No-one would garner conclusions from that documentary if we didn't already know damn fine that:
a) Downes is terrible at motivation but world class at barking filth
b) We have a young but energetic bunch of players with good team spirit - this has been sapped since the start of the season
c) Gary Thompson does **** all
d) Paul Smith is very tall

 

[Sultan]

I WANT TO WIN!!!!!!

 

[Simon C]

Quite.

Reading between the lines it's people's frustration with Downes that's the problem, not the documentary. Frankly whenever I see his stupid face I get cross, but that's just me.

No-one would garner conclusions from that documentary if we didn't already know damn fine that:
a) Downes is terrible at motivation but world class at barking filth
b) We have a young but energetic bunch of players with good team spirit - this has been sapped since the start of the season
c) Gary Thompson does **** all
d) Paul Smith is very tall

e) Our squad was piss poor in pre-season. It was like a throwback to dark days with McPhee and his belly

 

[Old B]

I'd like to see Wally attempt "The Killer" himself, perhaps he could do a sponsored killer for BU. That would be worth supporting.

For those in the dark, the killer is a series of ten different exercises to be accomplished within a certain timescale, on the programme it said it got its name because either it kills you or you kill it!.

I know what I would prefer in WD case ! (how do you do irony smilies ?)

 

[keefor]

Not that this would necessarily affect his coaching or being the manager, but I thought Wally looked like the sort of Brit you try to avoid when on holiday in Spain;

Sports top stretched over a rather large beer gut and a pair of (spindly) pasty white legs.

Apart from the industrial language I actually thought that he came across as articulate and made some valid comments in the context of what the programme was about.

 

[wibs]

Not that this would necessarily affect his coaching or being the manager, but I thought Wally looked like the sort of Brit you try to avoid when on holiday in Spain;

Sports top stretched over a rather large beer gut and a pair of (spindly) pasty white legs.

Apart from the industrial language I actually thought that he came across as articulate and made some valid comments in the context of what the programme was about.

I agree whole hearedly with every paragraph!

 

[loyalbee]

do u reckon maximillion will be at the stockport game

 

[Palace77]

I reckon he might do a better job than wally. how would wally do as a chess player?

 

[homerbees]

Thought the show was good, noticed Eddie Hutch was one of the first to take Maximillion's trousers off!

Thought Matty Somner and Mark Peters came across quite well when talking to him after the Exeter game.

Also the Steve Evans bit was funny, when he was told to control with his wrong foot and pass with his correct one. ' I AM '

 

[big neil]

wally seems to be all mouth to me.
he didn't actually seem to want the bloke to be there in the slightest.
if that was the case he should have refused to get involved in the programme as he ended up coming across as a very boorish "geezer" with loads of swear words but very little tactics/encouragement.
please "sling yer 'ook" wally before we get relegated.

 

[chippendale]

wally seems to be all mouth to me.
he ended up coming across as a very boorish "geezer" with loads of swear words but very little tactics/encouragement.
please "sling yer 'ook" wally before we get relegated.

I've only been to a few games this year and thats how WD came across at the games i saw

 

[Russell]

I just watched the re-run on E4. Downes talked about leadership and you know how you judge a good leader? Look at how many people follow. Downes is way out on his own right now.

 

[Rod Gowers]

Any likelihood of TITS approaching Max Devereux for an article in the future?

Now that would be worth reading.........

 

[Edmundo]

I agree with wibs - all the criticisms we have of Wally are being levelled at the show, but don't come from it at all. Who knows what was edited out? Perhaps he did congratulate Max on teh improvement in the second half at Exeter - after all, he wouldn't have been able to congratulate the team for their display!

Personally, I thought Wally came across quite well.

BC - you should tell your wife that Paul Smith has been sold to Southampton!!

 

[Caucaunibuca]

i thought he came across well too - for that hour i thought he genuninely wanted the club to do well.

then i saw tabb left on the bench for the brighton game

but all in all i think wd told max what he needed to do and if he had done it, he would have fooled the judges. and from that point of view wally did his job. for once

 

[BenMoses]

but all in all i think wd told max what he needed to do and if he had done it, he would have fooled the judges. and from that point of view wally did his job. for once

So Wally knows how to fool people into thinking he is a football manager?

 

[Caucaunibuca]

So Wally knows how to fool people into thinking he is a football manager?

yes. he fooled the board into employing him didnt he

 

[handbag]

Don't know anything about football management so won't comment on Downes's style, but learnt a couple of tips about it from the programme:

a) Stand on the touchline and shout a lot at matches
b) Stand around and shout a lot at the training ground
c) Stand around and shout a lot in the pub
d) And if all else fails, pull someone's trousers off

 

[Bigbee]

Don't know anything about football management so won't comment on Downes's style, but learnt a couple of tips about it from the programme:

a) Stand on the touchline and shout a lot at matches
b) Stand around and shout a lot at the training ground
c) Stand around and shout a lot in the pub
d) And if all else fails, pull someone's trousers off

youve got the assistant managers job,go the club, ask to see the board , give them a copy of your post,they'll be impressd

 

[Russell]

All Downes shouting and swearing - where did he learn that? On the training course Forzoni lost his job over per chance?

 

[Boscombe Bee]

I quite frankly found the whole documentary extremely embarrasing. Everybody i work with in Bournemouth knows im a Bees fan and those who watched it said to me that they didnt realise David Brent was our manager!! In fact thats all i could think off as i watched it too, the management speak, the "killer", the complete lack of motivation skills, even his voice pattern sounded like Ricky Gervais, even the wife said so!! In fact she said the lady who was the motivational coach would have made a much better manager, and to be honest i tend to agree as confidence is something we are so badly lacking in. And also did you notice in the finale with Max being sussed, Wally wanted nothing to do with him, was about the first part of the programme he wasnt swearing. Ive never been a fan of Wally from when he was a coach, and this just reinforces my view that he hasnt the faintest idea and is simpy a nasty bully!! Cant wait to see him go.

 

[Silly Chip]

I'm no great fan of Wally but found the programme very interesting and entertaining. I can't believe all this embarrasment talk.... Brentford on national TV in a prime time slot....that's great free publicity! It made me so proud to keep on seeing OUR PLAYERS and OUR BADGE being flashed about.

Max failed because he's too nice a guy whom isolated himself from society.......his task was really beyond impossible and I guess that's why he was chosen to appear.

We can all lay blame at Wally's feet for our depressing slide towards Division 3 but last saturday and on many other occasions one could also lay blame at the player's feet. Yes the team may be young but bolli*king players has always been part of the game so why have a go at Wally for doing something which is so stereotypical?. I have yet to hear any rumours of players revolting against Wally.

Wally has never had an open cheque book and has very limited resources. After watching this programme I have changed my harsh opinions about him and wish him all the luck in keeping us up. The players must now roll up their socks, play like a team and show the desire and commitment to win. Wally for his part must review his tactics and learn when best to make a substitution....preferably before the opposition score!

 

[Waterlooville Bee]

After watching this programme I have changed my harsh opinions about him

 

[Deleted member 2202]

Yeah, I was thinking that, WB

 

[Boscombe Bee]

the main reason i was embrassed about the programme is that ive been told last couple of days by non bees supporters that we are being managed by david brent!!