Fans' Forum Comments

[flowerpower bee]

It intrigued me to read that Fitz feels it's the fitness that's lacking in the team. Earlier in the season we seemed to come on strong towards the end of the game when the opposition was flagging.. There were even posts on here saying Leroy worked the players too hard..

I've not seen any great fitness problems, just lack of organisation and cohesion, and a fair amount of poor technique/giving the ball away in dangerous areas...

Surely we'd be better off working on defending as a team and keeping possession rather than doing more and more running work in the middle of a season?

Anyone else got any thoughts on this?

my guess is that fitz wants to play a direct
high tempo wimbledon type game and that the players
need to be fitter to meet the physical demands of that style

if so, a grim prospect but in these desperate circumstances
we can probably live with it if it gets results

 

[chippendale]

The key for whether LR comes off for BU, is the planning permission for the "towers" developments on the site. I am led to believe that the developers have discussed these provissionally with LBH planning and the business case depends on positive news on the towers.

I am starting to think that the business case is there now (due to the extra towers capacity), but persuading locals and stopping public enquiries is the key.

Very true.

Also have Chancrygate pulled out, the hadn't in September when they told LBH that thet thought the site too small for a mixed developmemt of housing and a football ground or have Chancrygate come to the party.

Also have LBH finally agreed that a new ground is essential too the area.

I also presume that BFC's partner has started detailed analytical work which would prove that the development/project is viable. They would also have to prove that the plans are consistent with national and regional policies and that the scheme was environmentally sustainable including a traffic analysis and that the enabling development was acceptable to the area.

 

[Ace Face]

Very true.

Also have Chancrygate pulled out, they hadn't in September when I understand they told LBH that they thought the site was too small for a mixed development of housing and a football ground or have Chancrygate come to the party.

Also have LBH finally agreed that a new ground is essential too the area.

I also presume that BFC's partner has started detailed analytical work which would prove that the development/project is viable. They would also have to prove that the plans are consistent with national and regional policies and that the scheme was environmentally sustainable including a traffic analysis and that the enabling development was acceptable to the area.

Due to the fact a well known house builder is involved in the scheme "actively" now and their obvious seeking of making a profit on any project, I am confident that both BU and the developer will use each others contacts/strengths to make sure everything is watertight.

It is important to remember that the community stadium won`t happen with a Noades type supremo owning BFC, it needs BU.

 

[chippendale]

I just hope the a certain company has a good relationship with LBH. They certainly pissed off Council over one local developmemt.

 

[Mr Cynical]

my guess is that fitz wants to play a direct
high tempo wimbledon type game and that the players
need to be fitter to meet the physical demands of that style

if so, a grim prospect but in these desperate circumstances
we can probably live with it if it gets results

but will it? Given that the squad we've got is in no way the ideal long ball team. I dont think Ive seen us win one header up front this season. I can't see it working tbh.. I really hope that's not what he's planning. Did he give any indication of this at the forum? Would also raise the unsavoury prospect of an extension to Wijnhard's contract!!

 

[Edmundo]

At the forum all he said was that he wanted us to pressurise the opposition more than we had been doing. As far as I can see, this shouldn't be incompatible with passing it around rather than hoofing up to Onion Bhajee, but who knows.

 

[flowerpower bee]

but will it? Given that the squad we've got is in no way the ideal long ball team. I dont think Ive seen us win one header up front this season. I can't see it working tbh.. I really hope that's not what he's planning. Did he give any indication of this at the forum? Would also raise the unsavoury prospect of an extension to Wijnhard's contract!!

i can't se it working either. i don't think onionbajee or the dutchman
or a fit willock or rhodes the way he is now have one goal between them
regardless of what system we play.
it's not about fitness. they're just not good enough to play for brentford

 

[-superbees2k3-]

i can't se it working either. i don't think onionbajee or the dutchman
or a fit willock or rhodes the way he is now have one goal between them
regardless of what system we play.
it's not about fitness. they're just not good enough to play for brentford

amen to that

 

[GlasgowBee]

Am I the only who thinks that the outcome of this season is irrelevant to the future of the club...looking at the long term strategy, the immediate season by season stuff is not important however I would agree that the long term trend should be for improvement on the field...however the idea is to fund a stadium with capacity to generate revenue whatever the level of sh*te fielded under our glorious name seven days a week

I like the sound of this MD too...its about time someone came into the club and streamlined the whole business, ffs its a relatively small venture that has the organisational structure of the public sector....too many chiefs and not enough indians as my gran used to say (mind you im not sure i can say that in these pc days)

lets admit it we have been a bunch of amateurs...

 

[GlasgowBee]

what happened down at the estate agents today....anyone care to pm me

 

[LostBee]

i can't se it working either. i don't think onionbajee or the dutchman
or a fit willock or rhodes the way he is now have one goal between them
regardless of what system we play.
it's not about fitness. they're just not good enough to play for brentford

Spot on,all rubbish beyond belief.

Rhodes has been a bit unlucky really.Got picked up late from non league and just starting to look really promising and then that bastard virtually ends his career by shoving him into the advertising boards.Only fit for non-league now.

The rest are all f.cking useless and we need to get rid ASAP.we couldn't do any worse by starting the youth team strikers and/or Scott Fitzgerald.

They all have had a run of games this season and the 2 goals they have scored between them this season both go to Willock.This is a man who's high point at Brentford is miskicking so violently that he goes arse over tit and wins a penalty,that says it all.

The only positive thing I can think of is that we will be rid of all of them by the summer,and maybe whoever takes the managers job can rebuild the squad for a stab at the league 2 playoffs next season

 

[rambo]

staggered to hear that Scott thought the players should be fitter....i would have thought that was a "taken" nowadays that all footballers were as fit as they could be
obviously LR must have let that side slide

I do remember that somewhere on the GPG there was discussion about the fitness levels and the amounts of fitness training being a problem at Torquay when LR was there, so this would seam to be part of the problem with his management style!

 

[rambo]

I work in the world of politics. The support of Livingstone (who incidentally readily admits he knows f**k all about sports) towards the new stadium is useful, but I hope the people negotiating the deal know what buttons to press to get his, and the local councils firm support for what will be a difficult planning process.

1/ The club need to stress the regeneration effects a new stadium and developments surrounding it will bring to the area. More high rise won't be popular but can be overcome.

2/ If a major transport interchange can be incorporated in the scheme that will help. Any chance of properly linking train, tube and bus? Local residents will oppose on grounds of extra traffic and overcoming this objection is the key.

3/ Everyone needs to look at the Mayor;'s London Plan,

, revisions to which are out to public consulation until December 22nd. Are there sections in there that could help Brentford FCs case for Lionel Road?

4/ Plans need to be put in to place now to deal with the objections there will be from local residents, amenity socities and the like. Don't forget a major development on this site will have huge impacts on places like Kew, with increased traffic levels etc, tall buildings etc, and you can be sure that there will be more opposition than support from these quarters. KD will need to use his Powerpoint presentations to win the residents (and Richmond Council for instance) over, and GD will need to remind all of those people who work in the media and live in the area how they still should love him

I really hope I am teaching people to suck eggs here, and that all this plus much more has already been done. I have more confidence that KD,GD and the Board are likely to have thought about all this than previous 'leaders' at our club would have done, and I think their public relations skills are a 100% better than we have had for a long time - but it won't be easy folks!

Hopefully you will be able contact KD and offer your help!

 

[KD]

Hopefully you will be able contact KD and offer your help!

NC4856 sounds like you know what you are doing. if you can offer any technical expertise on a voluntary basis please do. The limited offers I have been able to make have been well received by KD and Peter Gilham. They are the first to successfully tap into the skill base availbale in the supporters.

 

[KD]

Nana, thanks for doing all that typing. I feel like something positive and energetic is slowly happening around our club both in terms of short term and long term crises. We finally sound a little more professional. Gives me hope.

 

[Stanley]

It intrigued me to read that Fitz feels it's the fitness that's lacking in the team. Earlier in the season we seemed to come on strong towards the end of the game when the opposition was flagging.. There were even posts on here saying Leroy worked the players too hard..

I've not seen any great fitness problems, just lack of organisation and cohesion, and a fair amount of poor technique/giving the ball away in dangerous areas...

Surely we'd be better off working on defending as a team and keeping possession rather than doing more and more running work in the middle of a season?

Anyone else got any thoughts on this?

I thought at Forest we looked a yard off the pace which can be a sign of fitness. We've also looked weak on the ball which might also substantiate it. If true its a bit of an indictment on LR although I guess levels of fitness will be a variable thing between coaches.

Fitz has probably been influemced by MA who did produce a team that were fit.

 

[johnnybeegood]

scott will be trying his best, i dont envy him managing this side, my job is not that bad after all!

 

[Paul USA]

Bannana - Not sure why you would say to Keith that his presentation was appaling ?? - I thought it was excellent. Told everybody what state the various business sectors of the Club are in (Football excluded)and what he is focusing on.

I have used the Scorecard system for some 20 years - It does keep you very focused on what has to be done first and then second etc.

He could of course have given the massed crowd a FINCHism. !!

 

[Banana]

Bannana - Not sure why you would say to Keith that his presentation was appaling ?? - I thought it was excellent. Told everybody what state the various business sectors of the Club are in (Football excluded)and what he is focusing on.

I have used the Scorecard system for some 20 years - It does keep you very focused on what has to be done first and then second etc.

He could of course have given the massed crowd a FINCHism. !!

You can have a different opinion I thought that presented overheads jammed-packed with words means that they are either i) reading them and not listening to the presenter or ii) not reading them and listening to the presenter.

Maybe I was over the top with "appalling" but certainly "could have been a lot better".

I agree that the scorecard system IS an improvement.

It would be good to have a look at the presentation but it doesn't seem to have been made available on the club's website yet.

 

[GlasgowBee]

You can have a different opinion I thought that presented overheads jammed-packed with words means that they are either i) reading them and not listening to the presenter or ii) not reading them and listening to the presenter.

Credit where it is due, and KD is showing good resourcefulness which we should applaud.

There are a number of ways in which an individual will take in information (learn), some can read information with immediate impact, whilst others need to hear or experience before getting the point...there is a whole bag of information on "learning theories" I suggest either reading, listening, watching the video or taking part in a workshop to bring up to speed.

A mistake many make is imparting their own style of learning on other without taking into account that others learn by a different course.

Luckily KD does seem to be reaching out and trying to impart information in both verbal and written vectors i.e. using a number of methods, which is a plus point.