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Banana said:So Sweepy didn't walk his walk then
No,but he is playing left back on Saturday.
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bees66 said::yes:
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You can say that again! I think that I must have asked the toughest question of all re: backing of the supporters, and it wasn't exactly Jeremy Paxman.
It seems a few people with plenty to say had made other plans for tonight. Oh well.
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Banana said:So Sweepy didn't walk his walk then
There were a couple of others I noticed in the audience who are not happy with the results, and they chose to be conservative as well.
The most important thing is that the questions about left-back, Forzoni, the lack of goals and other relevant questions were all asked, and got answers to.
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Very interested to know who the two Chelsea lads are that we are looking.Now there is a club who we should stick very close to,as a lot of their youngsters are going to struggle to get into their first or second teams.
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I asked Wally who he thought was the best left back in the squad and he answered very intelligently, I thought, acknowledging Somner's weaknesses as a right-footer, especially going forward, but saying that his defensive qualities still swung it for him.
As you've probably sussed, I'm still in the camp that backs Wally and tonight left me feeling justified in that stance.
As you've probably sussed, I'm still in the camp that backs Wally and tonight left me feeling justified in that stance.
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Edmundo said:
I'm in the camp with you Ed,I don't think for one minute he is the best manager in the World,but I really believe he can turn this round.We also have to take on board the fact that there is no money.
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Banana said:
Look, you're London based - why wasn't you there?
The nature of the forum wasn't suited to the "histionics" you refer to. Contrary to what a lot of people have been banging on about over the past 24 hours, nobody was there for a fight. And it may also surprise you to know that I wasn't the most important person in the room either.
This thread is about the forum - not about your petty hatred towards me.
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Just back from the forum with a few semi rational observations - it has been a long day so forgive any typos or illogical comments!
i agree Wally was honest in his answers - an example being when someone asked if Dobbo was affected by the captaincy who else could he give it to and he said there werent any obvious contenders...
i think if you were pro-wally you could use tonight as an example of his qualities and if you were an anti you could probably do the same.
without wishing to 'stir the sh*t' I too was disappointed some of the more outspoken critics on here coudn't be @rsed to attend or else kept quiet - sadly a reflection on the fact that to get involved takes a bit more effort than a quick rant here I suppose.
With the exception of one guy who was quite aggressive regards Ijah's leaving everything was fairly positive.
Am not going to comment on any of the 'non-playing' issues for the time being!
i agree Wally was honest in his answers - an example being when someone asked if Dobbo was affected by the captaincy who else could he give it to and he said there werent any obvious contenders...
i think if you were pro-wally you could use tonight as an example of his qualities and if you were an anti you could probably do the same.
without wishing to 'stir the sh*t' I too was disappointed some of the more outspoken critics on here coudn't be @rsed to attend or else kept quiet - sadly a reflection on the fact that to get involved takes a bit more effort than a quick rant here I suppose.
With the exception of one guy who was quite aggressive regards Ijah's leaving everything was fairly positive.
Am not going to comment on any of the 'non-playing' issues for the time being!
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Banana said:
Far be it for me to get involved with the squabbles between you two,but can we stick to what is important here.Thank you.!!
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bees66 said:
i'd prefer to say a tad errrrr over exuberant
overall were you happy with what you heard?
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For me this forum showed BFC in the very best of lights. Very well facilitated by Peter G and some really good informative replies from John Mac & Wally.
Times are tough and nobody tried to dress it up, including Wally who was the first to admit that he has a squad of potential but at this moment, and probably for quite some while one that is lacking confidence and that experienced head on the park to make things happen. His response about Forenzi and Ijah were spot on - one underminded him and had to go the other requested a transfer before WD even took over - his view, quite rightly in my mind being that if you don't want to be here then you are better off elsewhere.
I really really really hope the lads & Wally turin it round and prove all the doubters wrong.
Times are tough and nobody tried to dress it up, including Wally who was the first to admit that he has a squad of potential but at this moment, and probably for quite some while one that is lacking confidence and that experienced head on the park to make things happen. His response about Forenzi and Ijah were spot on - one underminded him and had to go the other requested a transfer before WD even took over - his view, quite rightly in my mind being that if you don't want to be here then you are better off elsewhere.
I really really really hope the lads & Wally turin it round and prove all the doubters wrong.
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Carri Bee Un said:
was late thanks to roadworks on the M4 so missed that bit - sorry!
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He explained that he (Wally) was invited on a course that he felt would be benefical to him.Forzoni then told Wally a couple of days later that he was going on the same course.Wally felt that only he needed to be on the course and advised Forzoni that he couldn't go,Forzoni said that he had paid out of his own pocket and that his fee was non refundable,Wally got in touch with the people who were running the course and asked:1)Could Forzoni have his money back,and the answer was yes,and:2)Who would benefit more from the course a manager or trainer,and was told a manager.Wally explained this to Forzoni,but he still went on the course,leaving GT to train the whole squad.Carri Bee Un said:
That's how I recall it,and I am sorry if I have missed anything.
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A statement by Brian Burgess, BU Chairman, based on his answers at tonight's Forum, is now on the Bees United website.
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Interesting evening, although I don't even remember Sweepy's question. I was less vocal than I might have been since I had the good fortune to speak to the ever silver-tongued Mr. White who answered many of my concerns instantly and satisfactorily.
For me,
The Positives Tonight:
1. BU is not out of its depth, and provided things go according to plan (and I would say there is a 70-80% chance of them doing so) and provided that none of those speaking from the platform tonight lied to us, even the mid-term future and certainly the long-term future could be very rosy if we can survive the short term.
2. BU has been far more active behind the scenes than it cares to admit, which was great to hear.
3. Wally is aware of the problems facing him and is not entirely clueless, although his answer to Ed's question sounded like a recital from the GPG. I was particularly interested in the fact that in an ideal world he would like a Sports' Scientist/Psychologist type - this could be feasible... especially given that Wally conceded that our current problem is largely psychological.
4. Eddie Rogers was very receptive to the idea of a separate BU fund being set up solely for the purpose of improving the first team.
5. There could be some fresh blood coming into the club very soon, and the link with Chelsea could prove very exciting.
6. The speakers were remarkably open about issues such as Roget, Stannard, Forzoni (although I wasn't convinced Wally was telling the WHOLE truth) and the QPR fiasco last season.
7. It seems that everybody who wanted to ask something did, unlike last time where I felt some people were left with more questions to ask.
8. JM's announcement that the club had received in writing an offer of £15.8m for the Griffin Park site.
The Negatives Tonight:
1. Wally will not stand down no matter how bad results get.
2. Sonko is being paid more than he should be and football agents do not seem to view our club very favourably at present.
3. BU and the club are a little too keen never to shoulder blame - sensitivity IMO and JM's comments re the GPG were particularly interesting.
4. The lack of a leader in the club. Under Hargraves, everybody reported to Hargraves. Under JM, everybody is expected to more or less get on with their own thing. This seemed a bit odd to me...
Amusing Moments:
1. Wally getting the "dreaded" vote of confidence from Eddie Rogers.
2. Some chap's joke asking how we could afford the two sums of £1 to buy the club from Altonwood even if we did get rid of the debt.
3. The gentleman who confessed to fancying Dobbo's Aunt.
Overall:
I won't deny that things are in better shape (although I still have reservations about some of the incumbents) than I had thought, and this week is a very important one for the club (let's see if they tell us anything). There are more things that I am now privy to, but I'm not entirely sure if I am at liberty to reveal them... so for now I won't.
I would nevertheless repeat that BU are doing an extraordinarily poor job on the PR front considering how things actually are and considering their actual needs. Oh well.
I was less vocal than I might have been since I had the good fortune to speak to the ever silver-tongued Mr. White who answered many of my concerns instantly and satisfactorily.For me,
The Positives Tonight:
1. BU is not out of its depth, and provided things go according to plan (and I would say there is a 70-80% chance of them doing so) and provided that none of those speaking from the platform tonight lied to us, even the mid-term future and certainly the long-term future could be very rosy if we can survive the short term.
2. BU has been far more active behind the scenes than it cares to admit, which was great to hear.
3. Wally is aware of the problems facing him and is not entirely clueless, although his answer to Ed's question sounded like a recital from the GPG. I was particularly interested in the fact that in an ideal world he would like a Sports' Scientist/Psychologist type - this could be feasible... especially given that Wally conceded that our current problem is largely psychological.
4. Eddie Rogers was very receptive to the idea of a separate BU fund being set up solely for the purpose of improving the first team.
5. There could be some fresh blood coming into the club very soon, and the link with Chelsea could prove very exciting.
6. The speakers were remarkably open about issues such as Roget, Stannard, Forzoni (although I wasn't convinced Wally was telling the WHOLE truth) and the QPR fiasco last season.
7. It seems that everybody who wanted to ask something did, unlike last time where I felt some people were left with more questions to ask.
8. JM's announcement that the club had received in writing an offer of £15.8m for the Griffin Park site.
The Negatives Tonight:
1. Wally will not stand down no matter how bad results get.
2. Sonko is being paid more than he should be and football agents do not seem to view our club very favourably at present.
3. BU and the club are a little too keen never to shoulder blame - sensitivity IMO and JM's comments re the GPG were particularly interesting.
4. The lack of a leader in the club. Under Hargraves, everybody reported to Hargraves. Under JM, everybody is expected to more or less get on with their own thing. This seemed a bit odd to me...
Amusing Moments:
1. Wally getting the "dreaded" vote of confidence from Eddie Rogers.
2. Some chap's joke asking how we could afford the two sums of £1 to buy the club from Altonwood even if we did get rid of the debt.
3. The gentleman who confessed to fancying Dobbo's Aunt.
Overall:
I won't deny that things are in better shape (although I still have reservations about some of the incumbents) than I had thought, and this week is a very important one for the club (let's see if they tell us anything
). There are more things that I am now privy to, but I'm not entirely sure if I am at liberty to reveal them... so for now I won't.I would nevertheless repeat that BU are doing an extraordinarily poor job on the PR front considering how things actually are and considering their actual needs. Oh well.
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I've ranted in the past, so I went last night, sat quietly and listened intently to the answers, hoping to either confirm, or preferably, dispel any misconceptions I may have.
Firstly, I must congratulate the club on having the balls to orgainse such an evening, which, save for a few 'under the breath' comments passed off with decorum.
Rather than launch into a lengthy discourse, a digest of my thoughts and notes about the panel and the evening.
Brain Burgess
Impressed as ever, Brian was both open and equally (justifiably) guarded about the work that BU are doing to secure the future of our club.
Paul Steadman
Enthusiasm shining through on the occasions he was asked a question. The guy deserves our admiration and support.
John McGlashen
Open and honest, but still I believe in need of professional assistance to bolster his skills and turn his enthusiasm into real proactivity.
Eddie Rogers
Not impressed. Why was he talking about "sitting down with Wally to discuss budgets" when his is a non-executive role? Cannot accept that he is any more than a conduit to Ron.
Wally Downes
Not convinced that he can 'walk the walk'. Talks a good game but some of the observations left me as bewildered and frustrated as ever. I left unconvinced, unlike some, that he is the man to turn the situation around.
However, in the interests of unity, I shall keep personal my more acerbic observations about the capabilities of Eddie and Wally.
Really nice though to put some faces to the 'names' on the GPG.
Firstly, I must congratulate the club on having the balls to orgainse such an evening, which, save for a few 'under the breath' comments passed off with decorum.
Rather than launch into a lengthy discourse, a digest of my thoughts and notes about the panel and the evening.
Brain Burgess
Impressed as ever, Brian was both open and equally (justifiably) guarded about the work that BU are doing to secure the future of our club.
Paul Steadman
Enthusiasm shining through on the occasions he was asked a question. The guy deserves our admiration and support.
John McGlashen
Open and honest, but still I believe in need of professional assistance to bolster his skills and turn his enthusiasm into real proactivity.
Eddie Rogers
Not impressed. Why was he talking about "sitting down with Wally to discuss budgets" when his is a non-executive role? Cannot accept that he is any more than a conduit to Ron.
Wally Downes
Not convinced that he can 'walk the walk'. Talks a good game but some of the observations left me as bewildered and frustrated as ever. I left unconvinced, unlike some, that he is the man to turn the situation around.
However, in the interests of unity, I shall keep personal my more acerbic observations about the capabilities of Eddie and Wally.
Really nice though to put some faces to the 'names' on the GPG.
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Carri Bee Un said:
He also emphasised that people shouldn't over-estimate his role stating that he took the warm ups each morning and pre-match and that other than that had little or no influence over the players as a team or individuals. The string of results since he has left were unrelated to his departure
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John Mac spoke about the home match with Sheffield Wednesday,
If & only if they sell all there allocation in the Ealing Road then they will be aloud to screen the match live back to Hillsborough at a cost.
Personally I think they should give us Owusuuuuuu free for the privilege on top of the money.
If & only if they sell all there allocation in the Ealing Road then they will be aloud to screen the match live back to Hillsborough at a cost.
Personally I think they should give us Owusuuuuuu free for the privilege on top of the money.
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I went to yesterdays meeting thinking wally downes was a imcompentent buffon and what i thought of him by the end i cant put on this board unfortunately. Everything about the man tells you he has no idea what he is doing. The reaction of most people in the crowd who seemed to support him astounded me - trust me when he leaves the club and the stories come out from players and staff of his terrible man management those people last night should feel ashamed, especially those who clapped him.
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mattbee said:
If you know so many 'stories', don't keep them quiet.
What questions did you ask last night?
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So what exactly was said about Beadle then.
I see his is not going to get offered another contract but what did Wally have to say
I see his is not going to get offered another contract but what did Wally have to say
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mattbee said:
no offence matt but I didn't hear your question or wally's answer - what was said that leaves you so disillusioned?
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No offence jim bee but you are im guessing a typical 'support the manager'when he is here no matter what he does then when he goes say 'i always knew he was no good'. At least im saying get him out as quick as possible before its too late for someone else to save us!
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mattbee said:
sorry matt but i'm certainly not a member of the 'Wally can do no wrong' club...i'd just like you to answer my questions?
a) What did Wally say to deserve the buffoon tag?
b) why we should be ashamed of clapping the panel(including Wally for taking the time to answer our questions honestly and with good humour?
c) what 'stories' about his mismanagement are you alluding to?
d) why your position 'get him out now' is any better than supporting his efforts to turn results around?