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Do any of you know the difference in Prize money from a 10th or a 14th place this season?

I think I read somewhere that the difference was 21 mio. GBP. ?
 

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Do any of you know the difference in Prize money from a 10th or a 14th place this season?

I think I read somewhere that the difference was 21 mio. GBP. ?

£12.4m give or take
 

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Do any of you know the difference in Prize money from a 10th or a 14th place this season?

I think I read somewhere that the difference was 21 mio. GBP. ?
Just Googled this and came across BCS picture I'd never seen before

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Last Season was Around £18m difference

10th – Everton – £138.6 million

11th – Aston Villa – £122.2 million

12th – Newcastle United – £119.9 million
 

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Last Season was Around £18m difference

10th – Everton – £138.6 million

11th – Aston Villa – £122.2 million

12th – Newcastle United – £119.9 million

But that’s probably telly money making th me difference rather than placing money ??
 

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Also that’s 12th not 14th!!
 

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Last Season was Around £18m difference

10th – Everton – £138.6 million

11th – Aston Villa – £122.2 million

12th – Newcastle United – £119.9 million
i) where are you getting last season's figures from
ii) that will include money for being on TV more than 10 times too.
 

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Here is my working from the start of the season with update expected TV Apps (before the BFC v EFC match was changed)

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Could your explain the £7.9m reduction which only affects us as a promoted side, and doesn’t affect Norwich and Watford as promoted sides, now relegated. Is it that we don’t get a share of last 3 years monies, but they do because they were previously in PL ?
 

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Could your explain the £7.9m reduction which only affects us as a promoted side, and doesn’t affect Norwich and Watford as promoted sides, now relegated. Is it that we don’t get a share of last 3 years monies, but they do because they were previously in PL ?
It's a COVID refund to broadcasters. The other two promoted clubs did not have to pay it as they paid it in the previous season (when they were in the PL)
 

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It's a COVID refund to broadcasters. The other two promoted clubs did not have to pay it as they paid it in the previous season (when they were in the PL)
Don’t understand that. Surely the broadcasters of PL matches, Sky, BT, Amazon etc… we’re getting even bigger TV udiences when people weren’t able to go to games live.

Anyway, the some £100 million we’ll get will be useful, and some of that could go towards a better catering offering!!!?

I don’t know what the cost arrangements are for having built the new stadium, but it’ll certainly cover all of that!
plus pay for a couple of unknown players from some obscure European clubs.
 

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The above might all be peanuts (relatively). Isn’t it next season that the latest overseas contracts kick in? £10 billion, or have I dreamed that?
The ever-reliable @SwissRamble did a blog on it recently. His estimate was that the total money pot would rise 11% in 2022/23 vs 2020/21. For a team like Palace, the share (including TV) would rise from £117m to £127m if they repeated 14th place.
 

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I can't see how they got that figure. They've got more resources than us however. Nobody knows until the PL publishes the distributions to the clubs. It used to be in December each year, but we've not seen anything for a couple of seasons now...
Well my (brown nose) Merit payment goes to Banana. He has set out his calculations,which the other lot haven’t! Bet the difference is in the share of the (enhanced) International revenues. If Banana is right, then the difference between 17th and 14th pays for nearly 50 per cent of our current wage bill ! And hopefully we will achieve 13th or above …
 

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FWIW, here’s @SwissRamble’s take on the merit aspect for 20/21 (£2.7mn per place):

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No, that got mentioned in the article.
Well, there appears to be little difference on the Domestic calculations (£1380m v 1401m). The key difference is the size of 21/22 International pot of £1370m (your spreadsheet) and 20/21 pot of £1114m (925+189 Swiss Ramble above). So if the pot has grown between 20/21 and 21/22 you would probably be right.
 

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Another great example of how the levelling up strategies in football are unworkable, unless there are structural changes to the financing model.
 

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Well, there appears to be little difference on the Domestic calculations (£1380m v 1401m). The key difference is the size of 21/22 International pot of £1370m (your spreadsheet) and 20/21 pot of £1114m (925+189 Swiss Ramble above). So if the pot has grown between 20/21 and 21/22 you would probably be right.
Here’s the @SwissRamble estimate for 22/23 for comparison. Overseas merit element goes up from £0.9m to £2.05m per place:

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Detail’s all here:

 

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So Swiss Ramble reckons 1.8 + 2.0 = £3.8m per place from next season.

2.2 for domestic will be the same this season and next season

So the 2.2. in the Athletic would seem to be just the domestic merit payment (of that is what they used)

I have the numbers at 1.65 + 1.75 = 3.4
 
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So Swiss Ramble reckons 2.2 + 2.0 = £4.2m per place from next season.

2.2 for domestic will be the same this season and next season

So the 2.2. in the Athletic would seem to be just the domestic merit payment (of that is what they used)

I have the numbers at 1.65 + 1.75 = 3.4
Don't Swiss Ramble have it as 1.8 + 2.0 = 3.8 for next season?
 

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What ever it is, it's a lot! And more than what Brentford has had coming in from the last 5-7 years!? [before the Club made it into the League where football started.] :)
 

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Looking at SwissRambler's numbers I think he is being conservative on 2019/20 Overseas TV money. I can't remember why I made the assumptions I did, but I thought Overseas TV monies were a lot more than the previous season. However I have some numbers in my s/s that must have come from somewhere!

Until the PL publish the 2019/20 season's club distribution we are all making informed guesses.

For 2019/20 SR has the champions collecting £163m whereas I have them on £175m. (both figures pre COVID rebate).

One thing for sure is the £2.2m figure reported in The Athletic is most likely well under the price per place.
 

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Is there a system in place to progressively pay MB back?

Doesn't look like it at present, FY21 accounts state his loans are interest free and he's never taken dividends. Total investment of £104m including loan and equity recognised in the accounts last summer. Guess the hope is that we can stand on our own two feet now without his financial support and when he does finally decide to sell he gets his investment back and a decent profit, assuming we're still in the prem?
 

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Doesn't look like it at present, FY21 accounts state his loans are interest free and he's never taken dividends. Total investment of £104m including loan and equity recognised in the accounts last summer. Guess the hope is that we can stand on our own two feet now without his financial support and when he does finally decide to sell he gets his investment back and a decent profit, assuming we're still in the prem?
He did take some cash back out a while back. Who knows what’s happened this season. I assume he’s comfortable with things.
 

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He did take some cash back out a while back. Who knows what’s happened this season. I assume he’s comfortable with things.
IIRC, that was for loans specifically for purchases of land for the Lionel Road development that were repaid from the settlement with the developer. Not general cash for the day-to-day running of the Club.
 

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He did take some cash back out a while back. Who knows what’s happened this season. I assume he’s comfortable with things.
I'm not sure that this is correct. When are you thinking of?
 

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IIRC, that was for loans specifically for purchases of land for the Lionel Road development that were repaid from the settlement with the developer. Not general cash for the day-to-day running of the Club.
Unless the numbers have gone down from the £105m, which I don't remember. Time to dig out another spreadsheet.
 

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I know it will never happen ?, but from now on if we were to get relegated we would be entitled to 3 years of sliding scale parachute payments. Assuming this is up to date.
 

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Would love to have a real look at the behind the scenes of the finances of the club, and the recruitment process as well. I find it so fascinating. Can't help but be excited for the transfer window!
 

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Would love to have a real look at the behind the scenes of the finances of the club, and the recruitment process as well. I find it so fascinating. Can't help but be excited for the transfer window!
As regards purely the recruitment, Andy Scott gave an insight into this in his Covid GPG Session. Spoke of how the groundwork and paperwork had to be SO thorough. And then Lee Dykes talking about his 16 positions on the pitch.

For my part, for finances I’d love to see the 5-year (10-year?) plan.
 

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As regards purely the recruitment, Andy Scott gave an insight into this in his Covid GPG Session. Spoke of how the groundwork and paperwork had to be SO thorough. And then Lee Dykes talking about his 16 positions on the pitch.

For my part, for finances I’d love to see the 5-year (10-year?) plan.
Do you know where I could find this? Couldn’t see it in the list of interviews
 

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Incredible graph that displays the disparity in this league and how well we are doing to compete
 
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