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ChrisSmith1992
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whyteleafebee76
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I've gone for £3m to £4m mainly, it feels about right given what other "top" league 1 players have reportedly gone for. Oh and a very healthy sell on clause plus an extra payment if the club he signs for (assuming its a Championship club) gets promoted. Oh and he is not allowed to score against us, ever.
ChrisSmith1992
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How much are Everton due to get? Basically, if we can get between £3-4mil just for ourselves, then I'd acept that, based on the premises he wants to leave. If he is unsure, keep him at all costs.
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Dont want him to go but if so it must be at a premium. If Delph went to Villa for 8m then I want something in that ballpark
Delbee
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When you look back to what was set up when we got Grigg let's go for something similar
£4 mill up front ( all paid not stage payments)
£10k for each of the first 10 appearances
£25k for the next 10 appearances
£50k for the next. 20 appearances
£500k if promoted to Premiership
15% of any sell on
£4 mill up front ( all paid not stage payments)
£10k for each of the first 10 appearances
£25k for the next 10 appearances
£50k for the next. 20 appearances
£500k if promoted to Premiership
15% of any sell on
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Upto £5.85m before anoy potential sell-on? If this was what we should want for Forshaw, that sounds reasonable. But if it is more what we would accept and what Benham etc would realistically take for him I can't really see if going anything past £4.5m-5m personally. I would be v happy if we got £4.5m.
ChiswickBee
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Realistically (and it's probably been said before) the players market value is just that. We can't easily up the fee a few million because Everton are going to be taking a big slice just so we get a decent return, yes it would be nice but the buyer aint gonna swallow it.
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Has to be over £5 mill due to the 40% to Everton. And especially if its Rosler and Wigan. You never know, other intersted parties (possible prem clubs?) could think that £5-£6 mill or more is a gamble worth taking 
mhead bee
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Personally I don't think the sell on to Everton is in any way relevant to the value of the player, however the question asks what would I accept in this situation. I think for us to receive 1-2M for one of our players is something we have not experienced ver often and it is a lot of money for a player Bees player. I also think that the unsettling part is the worst aspect of it as he will now be a disruptive influence on our squad so this creates a quandary.
If we let him go for less than 2 we only see 1 Million of it and the Wigan tactics have worked, however we are now in a position where we may not be able to utilise him so should we cut our losses? Matybe we need to go to Wigan and say make it 2M to us and you give Everton their part of the sell on in installments and FO.
If we let him go for less than 2 we only see 1 Million of it and the Wigan tactics have worked, however we are now in a position where we may not be able to utilise him so should we cut our losses? Matybe we need to go to Wigan and say make it 2M to us and you give Everton their part of the sell on in installments and FO.
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3 mill + add ons. The fact we have to pay Everton a slice of the fee is irrelevant when placing a valuation on the player. If we construct the deal right & I'm sure we will then we will recoup some of the Everton payment when he makes a certain no of appearances,they get promoted or he gets sold to a decent club.
wanderer paul
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Where's this 40% from?
Don't be surprised if it's a little higher....
£3 mill. Plus 25% of sell on. Plus £500k for promotion to Prem within his contracted period.
Don't be surprised if it's a little higher....
£3 mill. Plus 25% of sell on. Plus £500k for promotion to Prem within his contracted period.
wanderer paul
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You cannot keep a player who doesn't want to be here anymore. Better to take the money and get on with it.
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He is a very good player who looks likely to make the step up to a higher level. There's still a chance he may not, though. So I would structure as such:
£5m up front
£1m if promoted to Premiership in first season
£500k if promoted in future seasons when AF is still at the club
50% of any profit on up front fee
£500k after 10 appearances, 20, 30, 40 and 50.
Possible total before sell on: £8.5m
Everton get £2.5m, leaving us maximum of £6m
£5m up front
£1m if promoted to Premiership in first season
£500k if promoted in future seasons when AF is still at the club
50% of any profit on up front fee
£500k after 10 appearances, 20, 30, 40 and 50.
Possible total before sell on: £8.5m
Everton get £2.5m, leaving us maximum of £6m
Newport Pagnell Bee
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No we don't do any of that. We tell any interested Club what they need to pay for us to sell. In the meantime, Adam stays away until his head is sorted. Sooner or later, we get the amount we want or Adam comes back into the fold when all the interest fades away. We can play this one long!!
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When does 'sell on' stop applying?Where's this 40% from?
Don't be surprised if it's a little higher....
£3 mill. Plus 25% of sell on. Plus £500k for promotion to Prem within his contracted period.
I mean, if Everton had a 50% sell-on clause, that means they get 50% of the fee Wigan pay...
... but when Wigan decide to sell him, does that mean Everton continue to get 50% of whatever fee Wigan get for him?
Can someone inform me how it works?
wanderer paul
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Depends how the contract is worded. Everton could have a sell on fee, as now, and then could still take part of, say for example, the 25% sell on fee. It could get complicated.....
Remember Michael Turner and the fiasco with his deal and sell ons to Charlton.
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I am sure Everton would get % of the add ons just in case we sold him for a £1 then had 5M ads-ons lol
Ealing Bee
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In assessing his true transfer value, the Everton sell-on tranche shouldn't come into it.
Of course it would be galling to have to pass 40%(?) of the eventual fee back to Everton, but let's be realistic, had we not accepted that sell-on clause, we almost certainly wouldn't have signed Adam in the first place.
I personally reckon £4m would be both fair and acceptable - I fear he might go for as little as £3m (though maybe with add-ons for appearances etc), though if another firm bidder emerges, he might even make £5m.
Of course it would be galling to have to pass 40%(?) of the eventual fee back to Everton, but let's be realistic, had we not accepted that sell-on clause, we almost certainly wouldn't have signed Adam in the first place.
I personally reckon £4m would be both fair and acceptable - I fear he might go for as little as £3m (though maybe with add-ons for appearances etc), though if another firm bidder emerges, he might even make £5m.
LewisLeBee
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Even if we would all love 6M, it is very unrealistic.
The fact that we are giving a chunk to everton does not put his price up! I think the next team he goes to will probably pay about 6M.
3M +30% sell on fee +500K if they go up seems about fair. But I would prefer keeping him, and selling him for much more next summer.
The fact that we are giving a chunk to everton does not put his price up! I think the next team he goes to will probably pay about 6M.
3M +30% sell on fee +500K if they go up seems about fair. But I would prefer keeping him, and selling him for much more next summer.
BURFORD BEE
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I'm sorry but you can if he's under contract and the club(s) making the offers haven't matched your valuation. True you may have a very p'd off player but rather that than declaring to all and sundry that our star players are there for the taking whatever the price and methods used.
wibs
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I did my vote, looked at the poll, saw two people had voted under 1m and said to myself I guarantee one of the is Troll Bee, sure enough ... lol
wanderer paul
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Name a player who has been told, no, and then left to rot in the reserves?
You cannot keep a footballer who wants to leave. It will impact on other players at the club plus it could be seen in poor light for those wanting to join the club. Once a player wants to go, you have to let them move on.
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So what are you suggesting that we should be prepared to let Adam, Jake, Tarks all go for a few hundred thousand and start all over again?
wanderer paul
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The buying club and selling club will agree a fee. :shrug:
Whether we, as supporters, agree with the transfer fee or not, it doesn't matter. It's the value MB has put on Adam which matters. There will be an agreement, otherwise, players like Tarkowski, Bidwell, Dean, Gray, Odubajo, Hogan and Nico wouldn't be signing for Brentford FC.
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Unfortunately as I keep on banging on, contracts not worth f*** all. I can see a dangerous precedent if we let Adam go cheap as bigger clubs will offer silly wages to the player and peanuts to the club and if we release players in case they're unhappy we're f*****
whispering dave
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Where's this 40% from?
Don't be surprised if it's a little higher....
£3 mill. Plus 25% of sell on. Plus £500k for promotion to Prem within his contracted period.
I've no idea if this is true or not but an Everton fan told me on another forum that when Everton sold James Wallace to Tranmere a couple of years ago, the sell on percentage due to Everton on a future transfer was 80%. Forshaw and Wallace are the same age and were at Everton together for years I think.
mhead bee
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The whole contract can be agreed in any which way the three parties deem fit. Quite often you sell the player still owing club A some of the money as you were paying in installments (not the add ons for appearances). Didn't a big deal with real madrid fall through a few years ago cos they didn't have the money and wanted to pay it off over the next few years and the English selling club said pay it all now or FO and this was not in relation to add ons for appearances etc, it was the up front cost before all of that.
If you still owe the first club money (before sell on kicks in) you may come to some agreement where the buying club can just pick up the rest of the payments to club A and you can hand the sell on clause to them. I am sure they can all work something out to make it easier all round.
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But of course everything in undisclosed so that will never be an issue.
mhead bee
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I very much doubt that, I believe the legal limit is 50% of the profit. Did we pay for AF?
sonofabee
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People in football will know, thanks to people like Uwe and Adams agent.
jlove
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The current Football League regulations limit any sell-on to 50%...
This has been done to death on the "other" Forshaw thread.
This has been done to death on the "other" Forshaw thread.
davebee
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When Peterborough sell their top assets, they always go for 5-8million. They get this price because everybody knows that to buy a Peterborough player you have to pay top dollar. This transfer will set a precedent for any offers on our players in the next 10 years potentially. We do not want clubs thinking they can get our players for a "fair" price. We need to be strong and make it clear that if you want our top players, you pay "our" price. Forshaw has 2 years to run on his contract and should the window close without him moving, it is obvious that he will have to get his head straightened and work his way back into the first team. This "you can't keep an unhappy player" is, in my opinion, b***ocks. He is under contract and doesn't have a release clause. Quarantining him whilst it is resolved is EXACTLY the right thing to do and will ensure things work out for the best for BRENTFORD.
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Im starting to question whether Brentford have shot themselves in the foot on this one. 50% sell on fee has stitched us right up. The more i think about it you can't really flog a player for £6m because you want the profit you think you're owed before the next club. He is worth a standard fee & sadly we will have to shut up & accept it. I reckon we'll get £2m or less for a class player. That is sh!t. Im gutted. Assombalonga & Maguire gone for more.
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Unless my info is wrong, that's a wild exagerration mate. Peterborough have only ever sold 1 player for over £3.5 million. It was Dwight Gayle to Palace for £6 million.
Berkshire Bee
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If Everton suddenly decided they wanted to by him back would they get a % of the sell on fee?
Sweepy
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Absolutely. Forshaw is the League 1 player of the year and anyone who wants him should have to put up the figure that his status warrants. The days when the club either had to take the first offer (out of necessity) or chose to accept a meagre offer because of impatience, are over. I trust MB to fight to realise the best value for him.
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