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Gareth Barry

What is the non-partisan public reaction to this saga? It seems that the contract Barry signed with Aston Villa is meaningless. Both Liverpool and Aston Villa seem unable to reach a business negotiation. Gerrard and Barry himself seem to be working the media and the two managers seem happy to fire accusations at one another.

Loading up the top four Prem clubs with more and more of the top talent seems to be a runaway train steaming in the wrong direction. I would like to see players focussed on getting their own teams, and the people who are currently paying their huge salaries, to the promised land and not just themselves.

Personally I think it's time that football put some priority into making all contracts more legally binding and cutting out these behind-the-back deals. I would like to see some efforts being put into achieving parity in so-called "competitive" football. I have no idea where to begin a process to achieve that. Maybe with the government leading a commission to come up with a realistic plan?
 

Gareth Barry

Not a chance - UK and EU employment law, not to mention human rights legislation are not going to get in the way of an individual's right to ply his trade without restrictions. The only way to make the game more competitive is to level up the playing field between the clubs financially.
 

Gareth Barry

.............is he really worth 15-18 million pounds???...............
 

Gareth Barry

Why do Liverpool want to sign him? Can he speak Spanish? It's a fair amount of Scouse dole money to shell out on a Gerrard-Barrie partnership that smacks of that successful England pairing of Lampard-Gerrard.....:rolleyes:

Next debate...who's going to finish fifth?
 

Gareth Barry

Edmundo said:
Not a chance - UK and EU employment law, not to mention human rights legislation are not going to get in the way of an individual's right to ply his trade without restrictions. The only way to make the game more competitive is to level up the playing field between the clubs financially.
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Is honoring a freely signed contract looked upon as a restriction of a player's right to ply his trade Ed? Also, I've always thought that collective bargaining by the players union and then members individually negotiating contracts are difficult processes to reconcile. If you are an electrician you enjoy the rates and benefits negotiated by your union. I'm guessing about the UK but I don't think you can then negotiate a higher pay rate even if you are a wizard electrician and the person engaging you is a billionaire.

Any ideas about how to level up the playing field financially?
 

Gareth Barry

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. The only way to make the game more competitive is to level up the playing field between the clubs financially.[/QUOTE]

I cant see anyone rushing to join the Premiershite Socialist Collective any time
soon. A salary cap would not work because of the laws you mention. Or am I off the mark?:fishing:
 

Gareth Barry

GP200 said:
.............is he really worth 15-18 million pounds???...............
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On the strange planet that is premiership football, the answer has to be yes, given the money ManU paid for Hargreaves and Carrick. Barry is a 27-year old first-choice England international midfielder who recently captained his country.

I'd also like to see Liverpool be made to match Villa's valuation, given the bullying, underhand behaviour of the club and Barry's petulant attitude.

Villa supporters I know are now resigned to seeing him go, but for the sum Villa want, namely £18 million. Martin O' Neill is as popular as ever, despite what Barry might say to the press. Without O'Neill, Barry would probably now be contracted to Portsmouth, but be out on loan at Sheffield Utd or Nottingham Forest.
 

Gareth Barry

Shirley Bee said:
On the strange planet that is premiership football, the answer has to be yes, given the money ManU paid for Hargreaves and Carrick. Barry is a 27-year old first-choice England international midfielder who recently captained his country.

I'd also like to see Liverpool be made to match Villa's valuation, given the bullying, underhand behaviour of the club and Barry's petulant attitude.

Villa supporters I know are now resigned to seeing him go, but for the sum Villa want, namely £18 million. Martin O' Neill is as popular as ever, despite what Barry might say to the press. Without O'Neill, Barry would probably now be contracted to Portsmouth, but be out on loan at Sheffield Utd or Nottingham Forest.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/aston_villa/article4244853.ece
 

Gareth Barry

he shoudnt have gone to the NOTW but he isnt that good anyway, they already have mascarano
 

Gareth Barry

California Bee said:
Is honoring a freely signed contract looked upon as a restriction of a player's right to ply his trade Ed? Also, I've always thought that collective bargaining by the players union and then members individually negotiating contracts are difficult processes to reconcile. If you are an electrician you enjoy the rates and benefits negotiated by your union. I'm guessing about the UK but I don't think you can then negotiate a higher pay rate even if you are a wizard electrician and the person engaging you is a billionaire.

Any ideas about how to level up the playing field financially?
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Fairer distribution of the TV monies. It probably won't happen which will mean football will become increasingly tedious and predictable at Premiership level.

macsalisbee said:
I cant see anyone rushing to join the Premiershite Socialist Collective any time soon. A salary cap would not work because of the laws you mention. Or am I off the mark?:fishing:
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I've never advocated salary caps, so I am not sure what your point is. Look at that well known socialist country, the USA, to see how maintaining the competitiveness and a level playing field is viewed as an absolute priority.
 

Gareth Barry

which of your posts do you mean? Not trying to be awkward but Ive had a blonde moment-not easy when you are a slaphead
 
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Gareth Barry

GP200 said:
.............is he really worth 15-18 million pounds???...............
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if darren bent is worth 16 mill, barry is worth twice that atleast.
reasonable price in todays market for a pretty regular england international midfielder.
 

Gareth Barry

I wonder if Brighton get a sell on. They'll be laughing all the way to the bank.
 

Gareth Barry

Point taken-how can any real progress be made while avarice rules? Atilla the
Hun would probably pass the'fit and proper person' test. If the USA can do it
why cant we? Are the new owners here because of the situationat present?
 

Gareth Barry

I know the answer is "for the money", but this guy plays all game every game if he's fit - why would Barry want to go sit on the bench behind Mascarano and effectively scupper his entire international career?
(see also: Wright-Phillips, Shawn)

Hairy said:
he shoudnt have gone to the NOTW but he isnt that good anyway, they already have mascarano
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Gareth Barry

Boston Bee said:
I know the answer is "for the money", but this guy plays all game every game if he's fit - why would Barry want to go sit on the bench behind Mascarano and effectively scupper his entire international career?
(see also: Wright-Phillips, Shawn)
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Liverpool have tended to play Alonso, Mascerano and Gerrard.

They want to sell Alonso.

Why would they not play Barry, Mascerano and Gerrard :scratch:
 

Gareth Barry

Les Beeavinu said:
'Kin hell. Something like 10% is a tidy lump.
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From Brighton chat room

it has been confirmed that we took a payment back in '99 instead of the sell on clause
:homer: d'oh
 

Gareth Barry

eghambee said:
From Brighton chat room

it has been confirmed that we took a payment back in '99 instead of the sell on clause
:homer: d'oh
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I shouldn't laugh but I will. lol lol lol lol
 

Gareth Barry

Les Beeavinu said:
I shouldn't laugh but I will. lol lol lol lol
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.........such a shame if true:rolleyes: ........


.....but didn't we do the same re Michael Turner?.........



Liverpool either want him, or they don't...........if they do, they should match Villa's valuation, or close enough for Villa to walk away heads held high......if they don't, then they should back off and Barry should apologise to Villa and get his head down and concentrate on what he is good at.........it's called 'either put up or shut up'...........
 

Gareth Barry

i can see them all kissing and making up and Barry playing for Villa next year, as I think Liverpool are getting cold feet on spending THAT much for a midfielder (yes it's the going rate, but really, why bother? surely they could use £18m better elsewhere and play this Lucas chap more...)

agree with CB that it's sad that the top 4 say jump and players for the other premiership clubs say "how high?" :(
 

Gareth Barry

Mr Tree said:
i can see them all kissing and making up and Barry playing for Villa next year, as I think Liverpool are getting cold feet on spending THAT much for a midfielder (yes it's the going rate, but really, why bother? surely they could use £18m better elsewhere and play this Lucas chap more...)

agree with CB that it's sad that the top 4 say jump and players for the other premiership clubs say "how high?" :(
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They are of course hoping to get a similar figure back for the sale of Alonso, which is probably a reason why they haven't yet gone in with final offer for Barry.
 

Gareth Barry

West Ealing Bee said:
:no:

It has been reasonably well documented that if Hull sell Turner we get a sell-on.
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.............but didn't we relinquish most of that sell-on when we took Charlton's share of the sale proceeds when he moved to Hull?.........
 

Gareth Barry

I know nothing about this and have no interest in it as I don't pay much attention to foreign leagues, but I do think that all contracts should be registered, checked and witnessed by the FA for legality as a condition of participating in their competitions.
 

Gareth Barry

WisBee said:
..............where's abee when you need him?lol..............
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Cooeee........I'm over here. :D

There was an adjustment and Charlton lowered their share of the Brentford to Hull transfer in return for a stake in any sell on by Hull. The change was I believe made at our request and Charlton were very co-operative. If Turner goes there will be a very useful windfall for us and we certainly didn't give away the family silver. Turner leaving Hull for say £3m is one problem I would love to have.
 

Gareth Barry

abee said:
Cooeee........I'm over here. :D

There was an adjustment and Charlton lowered their share of the Brentford to Hull transfer in return for a stake in any sell on by Hull. The change was I believe made at our request and Charlton were very co-operative. If Turner goes there will be a very useful windfall for us and we certainly didn't give away the family silver. Turner leaving Hull for say £3m is one problem I would love to have.
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Thank you

Just out of interest, if Hull were to sell Michael Turner for £3 million, what would our chunk of that be?.......(I'm assuming you're in a position to quote figures?:D )
 

Gareth Barry

Mr Tree said:
i can see them all kissing and making up and Barry playing for Villa next year, as I think Liverpool are getting cold feet on spending THAT much for a midfielder (yes it's the going rate, but really, why bother? surely they could use £18m better elsewhere and play this Lucas chap more...)

agree with CB that it's sad that the top 4 say jump and players for the other premiership clubs say "how high?" :(
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Am I the only person who thinks that, in Lucas, Liverpool have unearthed something really rare, a Brazilian footballers who's truely crap? Maybe he's yet to settle in, but from what I saw last season, Lucas was a waste of space.
 

Gareth Barry

:eek: really?! he looks like he could be a bit good to me, don't think he really played enough to be written off...
 

Gareth Barry

exiledbee said:
Am I the only person who thinks that, in Lucas, Liverpool have unearthed something really rare, a Brazilian footballers who's truely crap? Maybe he's yet to settle in, but from what I saw last season, Lucas was a waste of space.
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:imwith: He will be hot footed out of town like so many of Benitez young signings in recent years. Liverpool need to improve their scouting on younger talent imho. :fishing:
 

Gareth Barry

2 First Names as Christian and Surname :nono:
 

Gareth Barry

Spotted supping "Becks" :eek: in Oceonia in Brighton at the weekend along with all the other vagina decliners. :sorted:
 

Gareth Barry

WisBee said:
Liverpool either want him, or they don't...........if they do, they should match Villa's valuation, or close enough for Villa to walk away heads held high......if they don't, then they should back off and Barry should apologise to Villa and get his head down and concentrate on what he is good at.........it's called 'either put up or shut up'...........
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They want him but can't afford him, which is why they need to offload before they can meet Villa's price.

Liverpool's buying power is not what it might seem..
 

Gareth Barry

Stanley said:
They want him but can't afford him, which is why they need to offload before they can meet Villa's price.

Liverpool's buying power is not what it might seem..
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Hicks and Gillett already tighting up the purse strings?
 

Gareth Barry

Canadian Bee said:
Hicks and Gillett already tighting up the purse strings?
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They need to with their debt repayments to buy the club and future repayments for the new stadium that is going up.
 

Gareth Barry

Stanley said:
They want him but can't afford him, which is why they need to offload before they can meet Villa's price.

Liverpool's buying power is not what it might seem..
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..............oh, right..........a bit like I want (say) Elle MacPherson, but I can't afford her, I've got to off-load my present wife first?.............:fishing:
 

Gareth Barry

The Liverpool FC, Garth Barry story and the Real Madrid, Cristiano Ronaldo story = everything that is wrong with professional football. The power of the money has perverted this once exemplary sporting activity into a soul-less and avaricious moneygrab.

It's not just Football. Green Bay Packers is offering Brett Favre $20 million not to play. New York Yankees pay their team $207 million a year. Florida Marlins pay theirs $22 million ($6 million less that the Yankees best paid player). 18 year old Michelle Wie has never won a golf tournament but she was paid $12 million last year.
 

Gareth Barry

and the bottom has fallen out of the Charlton Heston look-a-like market :rolleyes:
 

Gareth Barry

Only one CaliBee though :sorted:
 
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